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Loren Pechtel said:
DrZoidberg said:
Until they get a bit one, and the it Isn't. There's great variance of where its the worst because of the geography. Every 10 years they're more violent, and then every 40-50 years there's a "super typhoon" that destroys everything in a limited area.

There's a lot of similarities with New Orleans. Same same
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I would expect most of the structures in Shanghai to shrug off even a force 5 with little damage other than perhaps glass breakage (and consequent water damage) due to overpressure. The structures themselves are almost all basically big concrete boxes, the wind isn't going to harm them.
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The problem isn't wind and rain on land. The problem is the typhoon raising the level of the sea so it washes over the city. No concrete building will stand if you pound it with trees and cars being repeatedly lifted and flung at it.

Taipei has solved this by building a protective dyke along the coast. Each typhoon the edge of it (under the water towards the sea) gets repaired, because it gets pounded so hard. I don't know how Shanghai does it, but I imagine that they do something similar considering the city has been there for over a thousand years. A quick googling showed that Shanghai is still evacuated now and again when it gets particularly bad. Holland has the world's most advanced protective dykes because if they didn't, they'd get wiped out in no time, by even the tiniest storm. It's not like we don't know how to do it.

New Orleans didn't build a protective dyke because... ? It's just a bit mystery. When New Orleans was first founded they built protective dykes. Because they realised a potential problem immediately. But coasts and waters shift over time, and they just haven't kept it up. Didn't New Orleans have a flooding disaster in the 1960'ies? It's not like this came from nowhere. Not investing in this is like building a nuclear power plant without safety systems because then we'll only get a disaster once every 50 years. And save some money in the short term. The logic is broken.
 
DrZoidberg said:
New Orleans didn't build a protective dyke because... ? It's just a bit mystery. When New Orleans was first founded they built protective dykes. Because they realised a potential problem immediately. But coasts and waters shift over time, and they just haven't kept it up. Didn't New Orleans have a flooding disaster in the 1960'ies? It's not like this came from nowhere. Not investing in this is like building a nuclear power plant without safety systems because then we'll only get a disaster once every 50 years. And save some money in the short term. The logic is broken.
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There is more to flood protection that dykes (levees). It also consists of flood walls. And there were a lot of both for New Orleans. The problem was that the flood protection plan for New Orleans was under built, with too low a factor of safety. The walls failed and that was that. The US has a ton of levees everywhere. Some good, some not so good. Trump proposed making it harder to find the bad ones, or knowing which ones were good.

Personally, I prefer the Dutch method for levees over the US method. The US relies a ton on experience with the Mississippi, which really is unfair to the levees that support rivers that don't flood as high and for anywhere as long. Makes underseepage remediation harder than it should be.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
DrZoidberg said:
New Orleans didn't build a protective dyke because... ? It's just a bit mystery. When New Orleans was first founded they built protective dykes. Because they realised a potential problem immediately. But coasts and waters shift over time, and they just haven't kept it up. Didn't New Orleans have a flooding disaster in the 1960'ies? It's not like this came from nowhere. Not investing in this is like building a nuclear power plant without safety systems because then we'll only get a disaster once every 50 years. And save some money in the short term. The logic is broken.
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There is more to flood protection that dykes (levees). It also consists of flood walls. And there were a lot of both for New Orleans. The problem was that the flood protection plan for New Orleans was under built, with too low a factor of safety. The walls failed and that was that. The US has a ton of levees everywhere. Some good, some not so good. Trump proposed making it harder to find the bad ones, or knowing which ones were good.

Personally, I prefer the Dutch method for levees over the US method. The US relies a ton on experience with the Mississippi, which really is unfair to the levees that support rivers that don't flood as high and for anywhere as long. Makes underseepage remediation harder than it should be.
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Well... not to be cynical or anything but if New Orleans would be the capital of USA I think the dykes would be awesome. Out of sight, out of mind.

BTW, Levee is a strictly American term for something which the rest of the world calls dykes. "Levee" is a New Orleans region expression for a dyke. It's silly to use a highly regional term for something, when there exists a perfectly fine international term for it. Nearly all European languages have the same word for it. As well as a lot of other languages, who have borrowed it from some European language. I often like Americanisms, because they often add clarity. Like "backpack", and "sidewalk". In this case, nope. It just makes something straight forward complicated. End of language rant
 
DrZoidberg said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
There is more to flood protection that dykes (levees). It also consists of flood walls. And there were a lot of both for New Orleans. The problem was that the flood protection plan for New Orleans was under built, with too low a factor of safety. The walls failed and that was that. The US has a ton of levees everywhere. Some good, some not so good. Trump proposed making it harder to find the bad ones, or knowing which ones were good.

Personally, I prefer the Dutch method for levees over the US method. The US relies a ton on experience with the Mississippi, which really is unfair to the levees that support rivers that don't flood as high and for anywhere as long. Makes underseepage remediation harder than it should be.
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Well... not to be cynical or anything but if New Orleans would be the capital of USA I think the dykes would be awesome. Out of sight, out of mind.
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The review indicated they weren't built big enough for their design purpose.

BTW, Levee is a strictly American term for something which the rest of the world calls dykes. "Levee" is a New Orleans region expression for a dyke. It's silly to use a highly regional term for something, when there exists a perfectly fine international term for it.
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It is a US region term. It is Levee Accreditation. You can take your European English and go straight to hell. :D
 
DrZoidberg said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
There is more to flood protection that dykes (levees). It also consists of flood walls. And there were a lot of both for New Orleans. The problem was that the flood protection plan for New Orleans was under built, with too low a factor of safety. The walls failed and that was that. The US has a ton of levees everywhere. Some good, some not so good. Trump proposed making it harder to find the bad ones, or knowing which ones were good.

Personally, I prefer the Dutch method for levees over the US method. The US relies a ton on experience with the Mississippi, which really is unfair to the levees that support rivers that don't flood as high and for anywhere as long. Makes underseepage remediation harder than it should be.
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Well... not to be cynical or anything but if New Orleans would be the capital of USA I think the dykes would be awesome. Out of sight, out of mind.

BTW, Levee is a strictly American term for something which the rest of the world calls dykes. "Levee" is a New Orleans region expression for a dyke. It's silly to use a highly regional term for something, when there exists a perfectly fine international term for it. Nearly all European languages have the same word for it. As well as a lot of other languages, who have borrowed it from some European language. I often like Americanisms, because they often add clarity. Like "backpack", and "sidewalk". In this case, nope. It just makes something straight forward complicated. End of language rant
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Yeah, but in Merika far too many people would wonder how in the hell a bunch of gays are going to stop flooding if you used the term 'dyke' :cheeky:
 
Another day, another covfefe stupid:

"Why Isn't the Senate Intel Committee looking into the Fake News Networks in OUR country to see why so much of our news is just made up-FAKE!"
 
sharon45 said:
Elixir said:
Understandable - nobody but an unscrupulous moron would advocate for racism and bigotry.
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I'm probably in the vast minority here, but I do not think that he has done so.
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White supremacists and KKK chapters across the land would disagree with you.

Does it concern you to find yourself in the same political bed as them?

Fair warning: a nonsensical or utterly irrelevant answer is going to make you the second person to have ever been put on my ignore list. Not that that is so onerous as to be avoided at all costs, but, just sayin'.
 
Opoponax said:
sharon45 said:
I'm probably in the vast minority here, but I do not think that he has done so.
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White supremacists and KKK chapters across the land would disagree with you

Does it concern you to find yourself in the same political bed as them?
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Akin to Hitler was a non-smoker and vegetarian, and so am I. And how am I so-called politically aligned with these people if you just said that they would disagree with me? If anything, the thing that does concern me is being brashly mistaken for being allies with them.

Fair warning: a nonsensical or utterly irrelevant answer is going to make you the second person to have ever been put on my ignore list. Not that that is so onerous as to be avoided at all costs, but, just sayin'.
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That is freely your choice. Yet I can say that my words are probably not going to be of much use to you if you seriously feel so strongly about making such threats.
 
sharon45 said:
Opoponax said:
White supremacists and KKK chapters across the land would disagree with you

Does it concern you to find yourself in the same political bed as them?
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Akin to Hitler was a non-smoker and vegetarian, and so am I. And how am I so-called politically aligned with these people if you just said that they would disagree with me? If anything, the thing that does concern me is being brashly mistaken for being allies with them.

Fair warning: a nonsensical or utterly irrelevant answer is going to make you the second person to have ever been put on my ignore list. Not that that is so onerous as to be avoided at all costs, but, just sayin'.
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That is freely your choice. Yet I can say that my words are probably not going to be of much use to you if you seriously feel so strongly about making such threats.
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I just wanted a straight, responsive answer to the question. Thank you. :)
 
Opoponax said:
sharon45 said:
Akin to Hitler was a non-smoker and vegetarian, and so am I. And how am I so-called politically aligned with these people if you just said that they would disagree with me? If anything, the thing that does concern me is being brashly mistaken for being allies with them.

Fair warning: a nonsensical or utterly irrelevant answer is going to make you the second person to have ever been put on my ignore list. Not that that is so onerous as to be avoided at all costs, but, just sayin'.
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That is freely your choice. Yet I can say that my words are probably not going to be of much use to you if you seriously feel so strongly about making such threats.
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I just wanted a straight, responsive answer to the question.
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And that is what I try to do.
Thank you. :)
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You are welcome.
 
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