A thought on Afghanistan

[Jimmy Higgins]

Ideally, it would be all non-Islamists, but they're much harder to identify.

What is the defining difference between a Muslim and an Islamist?

For LP? Proximity to Palestine.

 

[DrZoidberg]

I am not as scared of “Islamists” as I am of “Christians”, who are responsible for the most and the worst Terrorist attacks in recent years.

Sure, Jen.
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Bring on the Islamists.

Spoken like a true Leftist.

European Imperialism was often fought to spread Christianity to the natives. Resulting in the wholesale destruction of a multitude of cultures. Something which impacted most humans of that age. The destruction of that is something which the world still struggle with, ie post-colonialism. It's hard to compare the destruction of imperialism with the destruction of two skyscrapers taken down.

 

[Elixir]

Ideally, it would be all non-Islamists, but they're much harder to identify.

Impossible to identify if you can't define. What is the defining difference between a Muslim and an Islamist?

Islamists believe that Islamic countries should be theocracies. A Muslim doesn't necessarily believe this at all.

Ok... so what are you suggesting? That we ASK every muslim what they believe about that? Then go about proving that whatever they said is in fact what they believe?
Sounds like a recipe for ... nothing good. But you do have support for that notion from the far right:

An Islamist believes that Islamic Law should form the basis for a system of government (even a moistened bint lobbing a scimitar would be better!) and that Islam should expand to control all the World.

So yeah,. it's just a matter of asking what they believe. It's not like anyone ever lies about what they believe. Right wing extremists never ever pretend that they're not right wing extremists, right, @DEREC??

I don't think that, as a defining differentiator, "what they believe" is going to be a useful metric.
More helpful suggestions from right wing extremists needed!
A certain Forrest Gump quote comes to mind ...

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Sure, Jen.
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Spoken like a true Leftist.

This is an odd suggestion because the 9/11 attack was perpetrated by 0 US citizens and 0 immigrants from the Middle East. It was perpetrated by terrorists mainly from Saudi Arabia. The reality is that mass shootings at US schools perpetrated by Americans is a lot more common than radical Islam inspired attacks in the US. To deny people in need of refuge because of irrational fear is cowardice.

 

[Jarhyn]

Sure, Jen.
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Spoken like a true Leftist.

This is an odd suggestion because the 9/11 attack was perpetrated by 0 US citizens and 0 immigrants from the Middle East. It was perpetrated by terrorists mainly from Saudi Arabia. The reality is that mass shootings at US schools perpetrated by Americans is a lot more common than radical Islam inspired attacks in the US. To deny people in need of refuge because of irrational fear is cowardice.

I wonder at a potential future wherein I am seeking out of the US and am then later wantonly accused by a culture at large of being one of those radical American Christianist terrorists.

Never mind that I'm a gay atheist wizard.

 

[Toni]

I know they are different groups, and often at each other's throats, but they share the toxic ideology of Islamism. It's more like PFJ/JPF/CFG rivalry than any real disagreement over fundamentals.
As to her tweets, they have been shown to be authentic.


Yes, Taliban are bad news for Afghanistan, especially for any women who have ambitions beyond being a prim and proper Muslim wife.
All the more reason why Biden (and Trump before him) should not have abandoned Afghanistan to the Taliban.

I realize you have a very skewed view of Islam but this is a bit reactionary/coocoo for you.

Huh? What is in any way "skewed" about my views of Islam?

Either you don't understand the term prim and proper or you don't understand the day to day realities of most of Afghanistan or how Afghan women or Muslim women are expected to live. Or anything at all about being Muslim. Being Muslim encompasses a broad range of beliefs and practices, as does practicing Judaism or Christianity. Where I grew up, Baptists abhorred drinking, dancing and gambling. Down the road were Catholics with bingo nights and wine at Mass--and other occasions. Seriously, I was well grown before I attended a single wedding where even wine was served at a reception. But then, the weddings I had gone to were Baptist or Methodist and the Methodists where I lived were all teetotalers. Turns out that some very religious people celebrate weddings at a church service followed by a party where there is dancing! and alcohol! and decent food!

I've worked with Muslim women, working alongside Muslim men and the women were at least as well educated and assertive about their opinions as were the men.

 

[J842P]

Islamists believe that Islamic countries should be theocracies. A Muslim doesn't necessarily believe this at all.

Ok... so what are you suggesting? That we ASK every muslim what they believe about that? Then go about proving that whatever they said is in fact what they believe?
Sounds like a recipe for ... nothing good. But you do have support for that notion from the far right:

An Islamist believes that Islamic Law should form the basis for a system of government (even a moistened bint lobbing a scimitar would be better!) and that Islam should expand to control all the World.

So yeah,. it's just a matter of asking what they believe. It's not like anyone ever lies about what they believe. Right wing extremists never ever pretend that they're not right wing extremists, right, @DEREC??

I don't think that, as a defining differentiator, "what they believe" is going to be a useful metric.
More helpful suggestions from right wing extremists needed!
A certain Forrest Gump quote comes to mind ...

Look, I'm just telling you what the term means, since you are dishonestly implying that it is not possible to define an Islamist.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Ok... so what are you suggesting? That we ASK every muslim what they believe about that? Then go about proving that whatever they said is in fact what they believe?
Sounds like a recipe for ... nothing good. But you do have support for that notion from the far right:



So yeah,. it's just a matter of asking what they believe. It's not like anyone ever lies about what they believe. Right wing extremists never ever pretend that they're not right wing extremists, right, @DEREC??

I don't think that, as a defining differentiator, "what they believe" is going to be a useful metric.
More helpful suggestions from right wing extremists needed!
A certain Forrest Gump quote comes to mind ...

Look, I'm just telling you what the term means, since you are dishonestly implying that it is not possible to define an Islamist.

Elixir isn't saying we can't define it... but rather identifying it is a bit harder.

 

[Elixir]

far-right terrorism has significantly outpaced terrorism from other types of perpetrators, including from far-left networks and individuals inspired by the Islamic State and al-Qaeda. Right-wing attacks and plots account for the majority of all terrorist incidents in the United States since 1994, and the total number of right-wing attacks and plots has grown significantly during the past six years. Right-wing extremists perpetrated two thirds of the attacks and plots in the United States in 2019 and over 90 percent between January 1 and May 8, 2020.

It's a thoughtful piece.

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[Elixir]

Ok... so what are you suggesting? That we ASK every muslim what they believe about that? Then go about proving that whatever they said is in fact what they believe?
Sounds like a recipe for ... nothing good. But you do have support for that notion from the far right:



So yeah,. it's just a matter of asking what they believe. It's not like anyone ever lies about what they believe. Right wing extremists never ever pretend that they're not right wing extremists, right, @DEREC??

I don't think that, as a defining differentiator, "what they believe" is going to be a useful metric.
More helpful suggestions from right wing extremists needed!
A certain Forrest Gump quote comes to mind ...

Look, I'm just telling you what the term means, since you are dishonestly implying that it is not possible to define an Islamist.

I don't believe you misunderstood my intent. But I accept responsibility for leaving a semantic loophole through which you can dishonestly claim my dishonesty.
I should have qualified "USEFUL differentiator". But yes - your USELESS differentiator does meet the criterion as I defectively laid it out.
If you have a USEFUL differentiator, please offer it up.
It is odd to me that semantic quibbles so readily occupy the limited space in right wingers' brains. Almost as if they prefer not to address the concern being expressed, so long as they can misconstrue the intent of the expression.

So we are left with:
"Islamists are scary. I know how to define them, but not how to identify them".
Can't help thinking of the right wing "argument" against porn in the '60s - "I know it when I see it".
I pray to any god that might exist, that right wing "Belief Police" are never granted the power to enforce their desires to oppress and/or persecute groups of people on the basis of what they believe the people in those groups believe.
It is obvious that those desires exist, and that right wing extremists are eager to act on them.

 

[RVonse]

What if we offered refugee visas to basically all Afghan women?

Who are you to decide that the Afghan women are being treated badly? How do you know their culture is wrong and yours is right? What makes you superior to know your way of life is better for them?

And even if the women are actually in need of refugee status. Does it not make more sense to change their culture as opposed to bringing their culture over to America? How come the pussy parade is silent right now when they could be bringing their message to the Taliban? After all, they had no problem bringing their message to Trump. And we all know that Trump was way bigger of a nazi terrorist than the Taliban.

Why aren't the pussy protester's performing in front of the Taliban right now...They should be changing minds and hearts over there right now.

 

[TomC]

What if we offered refugee visas to basically all Afghan women?

Who are you to decide that the Afghan women are being treated badly? How do you know their culture is wrong and yours is right? What makes you superior to know your way of life is better for them?

And even if the women are actually in need of refugee status. Does it not make more sense to change their culture as opposed to bringing their culture over to America? How come the pussy parade is silent right now when they could be bringing their message to the Taliban? After all, they had no problem bringing their message to Trump. And we all know that Trump was way bigger of a nazi terrorist than the Taliban.

Why aren't the pussy protester's performing in front of the Taliban right now...They should be changing minds and hearts over there right now.

The "pussy parade"? Seriously?

Are those the women Trump "grabbed by the pussy"?
Tom

 

[Shadowy Man]

What if we offered refugee visas to basically all Afghan women?

Who are you to decide that the Afghan women are being treated badly?

Exactly! If women were being treated so badly by the Taliban you’d think we would have heard *them* speak out about it by now.

 

[Toni]

What if we offered refugee visas to basically all Afghan women?

Who are you to decide that the Afghan women are being treated badly? How do you know their culture is wrong and yours is right? What makes you superior to know your way of life is better for them?

And even if the women are actually in need of refugee status. Does it not make more sense to change their culture as opposed to bringing their culture over to America? How come the pussy parade is silent right now when they could be bringing their message to the Taliban? After all, they had no problem bringing their message to Trump. And we all know that Trump was way bigger of a nazi terrorist than the Taliban.

Why aren't the pussy protester's performing in front of the Taliban right now...They should be changing minds and hearts over there right now.

Afghan women have expressed concern, fear and outrage over the treatment they have received in the past from the Taliban and expect to experience again. Already women are driven out of their jobs, forced into their homes and there are reports of their families being expected to turn over any unmarried women fir forced marriages to Taliban fighters. What is it about the word ‘forced’ that you do not understand? Do you think that Afghan women under taliban rule can just decide for whether themselves whether or not they get an education? Receive medical care for themselves and their children? Whether or not to marry? Perhaps you are one of those who believe that the enslaved people in the United States went along with it because they liked it or were too lazy to figure out for themselves what kind of work they wanted to do or who to have a baby with or where their children would be sold?

 

[atrib]

I am not as scared of “Islamists” as I am of “Christians”, who are responsible for the most and the worst Terrorist attacks in recent years.

Sure, Jen.

Bring on the Islamists.

Spoken like a true Leftist.

Covid-19 has killed at least 200 times (20,000 percent) more people in the US than the Muslim terrorists killed in 2001, in part due to the criminal negligence and outright dishonesty of our former Christian president. And that number continues to grow.

 

[starwater]

What if we offered refugee visas to basically all Afghan women?

Who are you to decide that the Afghan women are being treated badly? How do you know their culture is wrong and yours is right? What makes you superior to know your way of life is better for them?

And even if the women are actually in need of refugee status. Does it not make more sense to change their culture as opposed to bringing their culture over to America? How come the pussy parade is silent right now when they could be bringing their message to the Taliban? After all, they had no problem bringing their message to Trump. And we all know that Trump was way bigger of a nazi terrorist than the Taliban.

Why aren't the pussy protester's performing in front of the Taliban right now...They should be changing minds and hearts over there right now.

Afghan women have expressed concern, fear and outrage over the treatment they have received in the past from the Taliban and expect to experience again. Already women are driven out of their jobs, forced into their homes and there are reports of their families being expected to turn over any unmarried women fir forced marriages to Taliban fighters. What is it about the word ‘forced’ that you do not understand? Do you think that Afghan women under taliban rule can just decide for whether themselves whether or not they get an education? Receive medical care for themselves and their children? Whether or not to marry? Perhaps you are one of those who believe that the enslaved people in the United States went along with it because they liked it or were too lazy to figure out for themselves what kind of work they wanted to do or who to have a baby with or where their children would be sold?

If they do try and decide for themselves they are beaten, stoned and beheaded. Would you protest under those constraints?

 

[RVonse]

Afghan women have expressed concern, fear and outrage over the treatment they have received in the past from the Taliban and expect to experience again. Already women are driven out of their jobs, forced into their homes and there are reports of their families being expected to turn over any unmarried women fir forced marriages to Taliban fighters. What is it about the word ‘forced’ that you do not understand? Do you think that Afghan women under taliban rule can just decide for whether themselves whether or not they get an education? Receive medical care for themselves and their children? Whether or not to marry? Perhaps you are one of those who believe that the enslaved people in the United States went along with it because they liked it or were too lazy to figure out for themselves what kind of work they wanted to do or who to have a baby with or where their children would be sold?

If they do try and decide for themselves they are beaten, stoned and beheaded. Would you protest under those constraints?

What about the rest of the world? Did the women in the US, Paris and London get beaten, stoned and beheaded during their pussy protests? Why aren't they out making a show for the Afghan women right now??? Could it be that they just don't give a shit about their sisters in Afghanistan??

 

[RVonse]

What if we offered refugee visas to basically all Afghan women?

Who are you to decide that the Afghan women are being treated badly? How do you know their culture is wrong and yours is right? What makes you superior to know your way of life is better for them?

And even if the women are actually in need of refugee status. Does it not make more sense to change their culture as opposed to bringing their culture over to America? How come the pussy parade is silent right now when they could be bringing their message to the Taliban? After all, they had no problem bringing their message to Trump. And we all know that Trump was way bigger of a nazi terrorist than the Taliban.

Why aren't the pussy protester's performing in front of the Taliban right now...They should be changing minds and hearts over there right now.

Afghan women have expressed concern, fear and outrage over the treatment they have received in the past from the Taliban and expect to experience again. Already women are driven out of their jobs, forced into their homes and there are reports of their families being expected to turn over any unmarried women fir forced marriages to Taliban fighters. What is it about the word ‘forced’ that you do not understand? Do you think that Afghan women under taliban rule can just decide for whether themselves whether or not they get an education? Receive medical care for themselves and their children? Whether or not to marry? Perhaps you are one of those who believe that the enslaved people in the United States went along with it because they liked it or were too lazy to figure out for themselves what kind of work they wanted to do or who to have a baby with or where their children would be sold?

Some of the Afghan women like it though. They like their religion just like it is. Who are we to make them come over here...and if they arrive then why do we have to adapt to their culture and practices that we do not consider acceptable?

I still think it makes more sense to change their hearts and minds over there if possible. And the women protesters of the world who we know came out for Trump have obviously not even lifted one finger for this yet.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Afghan women have expressed concern, fear and outrage over the treatment they have received in the past from the Taliban and expect to experience again. Already women are driven out of their jobs, forced into their homes and there are reports of their families being expected to turn over any unmarried women fir forced marriages to Taliban fighters. What is it about the word ‘forced’ that you do not understand? Do you think that Afghan women under taliban rule can just decide for whether themselves whether or not they get an education? Receive medical care for themselves and their children? Whether or not to marry? Perhaps you are one of those who believe that the enslaved people in the United States went along with it because they liked it or were too lazy to figure out for themselves what kind of work they wanted to do or who to have a baby with or where their children would be sold?

Some of the Afghan women like it though. They like their religion just like it is. Who are we to make them come over here...and if they arrive then why do we have to adapt to their culture and practices that we do not consider acceptable?

I still think it makes more sense to change their hearts and minds over there if possible. And the women protesters of the world who we know came out for Trump have obviously not even lifted one finger for this yet.

 

[Alcoholic Actuary]

What if we offered refugee visas to basically all Afghan women?

Who are you to decide that the Afghan women are being treated badly? How do you know their culture is wrong and yours is right? What makes you superior to know your way of life is better for them?

And even if the women are actually in need of refugee status. Does it not make more sense to change their culture as opposed to bringing their culture over to America? How come the pussy parade is silent right now when they could be bringing their message to the Taliban? After all, they had no problem bringing their message to Trump. And we all know that Trump was way bigger of a nazi terrorist than the Taliban.

Why aren't the pussy protester's performing in front of the Taliban right now...They should be changing minds and hearts over there right now.

LP: "Would you like a refugee visa to the US?"
Afghan Woman: "Sure!" or "No Thanks"
Rvonse: "LP why do you assume you're sooo superior!!!!"

I swear conservatives can't even get the argument right without 94 wrong assumptions.

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