Accused rapist is fortunate that CCTV tells a different story

[TSwizzle]

A British man arrested for the alleged violent rape of a young English backpacker walked free from a Cambodian court today after prosecutors were shown 'overwhelming evidence' of his innocence.
Nick Laycock, from Slough, spent two days locked in a grim prison cell in the Cambodian town of Kampot after he was arrested at a guest house where he has been working for the past six months.
The 25-year-old was held based on statements from the woman he was said to have raped and two young female witnesses.

DailyMail

This is truly frightening. If it hadn't been for CCTV this man (with an unfortunate surname) would have been jailed for about 20 years.

Another case of a squiffy female (and her friends) having buyers' remorse ?

 

[Toni]

A British man arrested for the alleged violent rape of a young English backpacker walked free from a Cambodian court today after prosecutors were shown 'overwhelming evidence' of his innocence.
Nick Laycock, from Slough, spent two days locked in a grim prison cell in the Cambodian town of Kampot after he was arrested at a guest house where he has been working for the past six months.
The 25-year-old was held based on statements from the woman he was said to have raped and two young female witnesses.

DailyMail

This is truly frightening. If it hadn't been for CCTV this man (with an unfortunate surname) would have been jailed for about 20 years.

Another case of a squiffy female (and her friends) having buyers' remorse ?

Read the piece linked. The woman was drunk and confused about what happened. She showed up with obvious injuries. Her friends were being supportive. The police refused to allow her to withdraw her accusation.

 

[thebeave]

If the woman was drunk, and they had "consensual" sex, its still rape isn't it? Shouldn't he still be in jail?

 

[Derec]

If the woman was drunk, and they had "consensual" sex, its still rape isn't it? Shouldn't he still be in jail?

We are not talking about overly PC colleges here.

 

[whichphilosophy]

A British man arrested for the alleged violent rape of a young English backpacker walked free from a Cambodian court today after prosecutors were shown 'overwhelming evidence' of his innocence.
Nick Laycock, from Slough, spent two days locked in a grim prison cell in the Cambodian town of Kampot after he was arrested at a guest house where he has been working for the past six months.
The 25-year-old was held based on statements from the woman he was said to have raped and two young female witnesses.

DailyMail

This is truly frightening. If it hadn't been for CCTV this man (with an unfortunate surname) would have been jailed for about 20 years.

Another case of a squiffy female (and her friends) having buyers' remorse ?

From the rather sketchy Daily Mail story the two witnesses did not witness anything taking place. The woman herself tried to withdraw the charge even before the CCTV footage was shown. It seems more a case of the police trying to tamper with the evidence. In the US or UK witness hearsay alone with the plaintiff withdrawing the claim (hence what she told them) would not require CCTV evidence. This is because the case would not even go ahead and waste the court's time.

 

[Toni]

DailyMail

This is truly frightening. If it hadn't been for CCTV this man (with an unfortunate surname) would have been jailed for about 20 years.

Another case of a squiffy female (and her friends) having buyers' remorse ?

From the rather sketchy Daily Mail story the two witnesses did not witness anything taking place. The woman herself tried to withdraw the charge even before the CCTV footage was shown. It seems more a case of the police trying to tamper with the evidence. In the US or UK witness hearsay alone with the plaintiff withdrawing the claim (hence what she told them) would not require CCTV evidence. This is because the case would not even go ahead and waste the court's time.

If your friend shows up back at the bar after having 'gone for a walk on the beach' with some guy, obviously drunk, with an injured wrist and more injuries on her back, confused, and knowing there was sexual contact, it seems that it would be very natural to believe that your friend was raped and to urge the friend to go to the police and to go with your friend to the police.

Many rape victims withdraw their complaint or attempt to do so because they don't want to go through all of the ugliness that an investigation and trial will involve, in addition to dealing with the trauma of the rape. Which would explain why the police insisted on moving forward with charges in the face of the victim's withdrawal of complaint. What is not known is if this incident was an isolated incident, or if there has been a rash of sexual assaults or if the accused man has been a suspect in other assaults. We have zero idea, but if any of these were going on, it would make sense that the police would want to proceed with charges.

The employer, oh, so helpfully had video that the sex was consensual. It did not have any BAC evidence. We have no idea if she was too drunk to consent by US standards or by the standards of Cambodia. It isn't just US college campuses that regard 'too drunk to consent' sex as rape. But not all countries have the same laws.

 

[Derec]

If your friend shows up back at the bar after having 'gone for a walk on the beach' with some guy, obviously drunk, with an injured wrist and more injuries on her back, confused, and knowing there was sexual contact, it seems that it would be very natural to believe that your friend was raped and to urge the friend to go to the police and to go with your friend to the police.

And that's the problem with the recent rape hysteria. Rape is assumed even without any evidence that a rape took place.

Many rape victims withdraw their complaint or attempt to do so because they don't want to go through all of the ugliness that an investigation and trial will involve, in addition to dealing with the trauma of the rape.

And many accusers withdraw their complaint or attempt to do so because no rape took place. Like in this case.

Which would explain why the police insisted on moving forward with charges in the face of the victim's withdrawal of complaint.

Yeah, who needs evidence when we have ideological certainty that it must have been rape.

What is not known is if this incident was an isolated incident, or if there has been a rash of sexual assaults or if the accused man has been a suspect in other assaults. We have zero idea, but if any of these were going on, it would make sense that the police would want to proceed with charges.

Nonsense. It makes no sense to proceed when you have no evidence.

The employer, oh, so helpfully had video that the sex was consensual. It did not have any BAC evidence. We have no idea if she was too drunk to consent by US standards or by the standards of Cambodia. It isn't just US college campuses that regard 'too drunk to consent' sex as rape. But not all countries have the same laws.

Too drunk to consent != merely drunk, except on many US college campuses, but only for female students. Male students are presumed to be able to consent when drunk.

 

[laughing dog]

And that's the problem with the recent rape hysteria.

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[Derec]

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Yes. Poster child for it:

 

[laughing dog]

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Yes. Poster child for it:

Actually, your posts are the poster child for "rape hysteria".

 

[TSwizzle]

DailyMail

This is truly frightening. If it hadn't been for CCTV this man (with an unfortunate surname) would have been jailed for about 20 years.

Another case of a squiffy female (and her friends) having buyers' remorse ?

From the rather sketchy Daily Mail story the two witnesses did not witness anything taking place. The woman herself tried to withdraw the charge even before the CCTV footage was shown. It seems more a case of the police trying to tamper with the evidence. In the US or UK witness hearsay alone with the plaintiff withdrawing the claim (hence what she told them) would not require CCTV evidence. This is because the case would not even go ahead and waste the court's time.

I agree there is not enough detail to figure out why he was charged with rape. Corrupt police, over protective friends, genuine misunderstanding or whatever but it is very scary just how close Nick Laycock came to being banged up for 20 years for something he didn't do. The guy seems very fortunate that CCTV was available. Maybe if it had gone to trial it would have been different when the woman states the sex was consensual. Not sure I would want to rely on that in Cambodia though.

 

[whichphilosophy]

From the rather sketchy Daily Mail story the two witnesses did not witness anything taking place. The woman herself tried to withdraw the charge even before the CCTV footage was shown. It seems more a case of the police trying to tamper with the evidence. In the US or UK witness hearsay alone with the plaintiff withdrawing the claim (hence what she told them) would not require CCTV evidence. This is because the case would not even go ahead and waste the court's time.

If your friend shows up back at the bar after having 'gone for a walk on the beach' with some guy, obviously drunk, with an injured wrist and more injuries on her back, confused, and knowing there was sexual contact, it seems that it would be very natural to believe that your friend was raped and to urge the friend to go to the police and to go with your friend to the police.

Many rape victims withdraw their complaint or attempt to do so because they don't want to go through all of the ugliness that an investigation and trial will involve, in addition to dealing with the trauma of the rape. Which would explain why the police insisted on moving forward with charges in the face of the victim's withdrawal of complaint. What is not known is if this incident was an isolated incident, or if there has been a rash of sexual assaults or if the accused man has been a suspect in other assaults. We have zero idea, but if any of these were going on, it would make sense that the police would want to proceed with charges.

The employer, oh, so helpfully had video that the sex was consensual. It did not have any BAC evidence. We have no idea if she was too drunk to consent by US standards or by the standards of Cambodia. It isn't just US college campuses that regard 'too drunk to consent' sex as rape. But not all countries have the same laws.

Our laws are not perfect. I would of course say that one should believe she was possibly raped, pending the gathering of evidence in an investigation. We know that there are genuine rapes and false charges of the same. There I am sure many areas where it is hard for our Western courts to decide. In Cambodia it is likely the man would have been convicted since it seems the police were tampering with the evidence. In this case the female withdrew her complaint and it is likely the case would have been dropped. It is likely that he may have been convicted in Cambodia.

 

[Toni]

If your friend shows up back at the bar after having 'gone for a walk on the beach' with some guy, obviously drunk, with an injured wrist and more injuries on her back, confused, and knowing there was sexual contact, it seems that it would be very natural to believe that your friend was raped and to urge the friend to go to the police and to go with your friend to the police.

Many rape victims withdraw their complaint or attempt to do so because they don't want to go through all of the ugliness that an investigation and trial will involve, in addition to dealing with the trauma of the rape. Which would explain why the police insisted on moving forward with charges in the face of the victim's withdrawal of complaint. What is not known is if this incident was an isolated incident, or if there has been a rash of sexual assaults or if the accused man has been a suspect in other assaults. We have zero idea, but if any of these were going on, it would make sense that the police would want to proceed with charges.

The employer, oh, so helpfully had video that the sex was consensual. It did not have any BAC evidence. We have no idea if she was too drunk to consent by US standards or by the standards of Cambodia. It isn't just US college campuses that regard 'too drunk to consent' sex as rape. But not all countries have the same laws.

Our laws are not perfect. I would of course say that one should believe she was possibly raped, pending the gathering of evidence in an investigation. We know that there are genuine rapes and false charges of the same. There I am sure many areas where it is hard for our Western courts to decide. In Cambodia it is likely the man would have been convicted since it seems the police were tampering with the evidence. In this case the female withdrew her complaint and it is likely the case would have been dropped. It is likely that he may have been convicted in Cambodia.

What evidence is there that the police tampered with evidence?

Why would we trust the hotel's video that they supplied without being asked?

The hotel has a significant motive for making sure that the case against their employee was dropped.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

From the rather sketchy Daily Mail story the two witnesses did not witness anything taking place. The woman herself tried to withdraw the charge even before the CCTV footage was shown. It seems more a case of the police trying to tamper with the evidence. In the US or UK witness hearsay alone with the plaintiff withdrawing the claim (hence what she told them) would not require CCTV evidence. This is because the case would not even go ahead and waste the court's time.

If your friend shows up back at the bar after having 'gone for a walk on the beach' with some guy, obviously drunk, with an injured wrist and more injuries on her back, confused, and knowing there was sexual contact, it seems that it would be very natural to believe that your friend was raped and to urge the friend to go to the police and to go with your friend to the police.

Many rape victims withdraw their complaint or attempt to do so because they don't want to go through all of the ugliness that an investigation and trial will involve, in addition to dealing with the trauma of the rape. Which would explain why the police insisted on moving forward with charges in the face of the victim's withdrawal of complaint. What is not known is if this incident was an isolated incident, or if there has been a rash of sexual assaults or if the accused man has been a suspect in other assaults. We have zero idea, but if any of these were going on, it would make sense that the police would want to proceed with charges.

The employer, oh, so helpfully had video that the sex was consensual. It did not have any BAC evidence. We have no idea if she was too drunk to consent by US standards or by the standards of Cambodia. It isn't just US college campuses that regard 'too drunk to consent' sex as rape. But not all countries have the same laws.

What we have here is a drunk woman with injuries but no indication that those injuries came from rape. Why even report rape when there's no evidence of it??

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Mocking the truth doesn't make it go away. If it weren't for the camera this would have been yet another false rape charge that wrecked a guy's life.

 

[laughing dog]

Mocking the truth doesn't make it go away.

The rape apologists are the ones engaging in hysteria.

If it weren't for the camera this would have been yet another false rape charge that wrecked a guy's life.

You don't know that. The victim recanted.

 

[Derec]

The rape apologists are the ones engaging in hysteria.

No, those who exaggerate the problem of rape and want burden of proof to be lowered (or even reversed) in cases of rape are the ones engaging in hysteria.

You don't know that. The victim recanted.

And yet you still call her "the victim". Why?

 

[Tom Sawyer]

And yet you still call her "the victim". Why?

Well, as a woman living in a patrirchial society, isn't she allegorically raped every single day?

 

[Derec]

And yet you still call her "the victim". Why?

Well, as a woman living in a patrirchial society, isn't she allegorically raped every single day?

You mean like this?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

No, those who exaggerate the problem of rape and want burden of proof to be lowered (or even reversed) in cases of rape are the ones engaging in hysteria.

Cambodian hysteria?

 

[laughing dog]

No, those who exaggerate the problem of rape and want burden of proof to be lowered (or even reversed) in cases of rape are the ones engaging in hysteria.

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And yet you still call her "the victim". Why?

She is a victim - she was injured. You knew who I meant. Has your rape hysteria dulled your senses?