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Accused rapist is fortunate that CCTV tells a different story
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Godless Raven
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RAPE HYSTERIA! They cry...on a thread....that had no rape. If that's not crying wolf, nothing is. But I get it...women hate the label "hysterical", so it's a bit of "let's take back the power and call them it in HUGE bold font!" only...this is a thread without a rape.
No, I never said you go around crying rape...not once...why can't you just read and comprehend? Do you even understand what it means to "Cry wolf"?
Yeah, I sure am hysterical for pointing out the lack of empathy for the actual victim and for pointing out Toni still thinks somethings fishy and smells a little "rapey" underneath the whole THERE IS NO RAPE HERE story. Name one thing I've said that fits the definition of hysterical...
I don't put much credence in the opinions of a person on this topic when they support people that damaged a person and could have ruined their life, after it's been proven they lied. I find that pretty repulsive.
On the brighter side, maybe the crooked Cambodian police are looking for some new detectives that are really good at spotting rapes where they don't exist. I'll supply some contact info:
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Godless Raven
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This woman was drinking with 20 people and chose to go fuck someone that also wanted to fuck her. That's what happened here. Your analogies are all over the place and have zero connection.
Person A runs a risk of being raped no matter what they do. (Makes about as much sense as saying people are murdered therefore Person A "runs the risk of being murdered, no matter what they do")
Person B also runs risks (And somehow this justifies being falsely accused of rape, because person A "runs the risk of being raped no matter what they do", classic non-sequitur")
She couldn't speak. Almost every article says she couldn't communicate to her friends what happened. Yet, throughout this thread, I've seen people say "her friends knew she was beat up and had just had sex"...how do you know that they knew she had sex? She allegedly couldn't talk and the only thing she did say was she wanted to go to the hospital. Either they lied about that too...and she was talking, or she never told them she had sex and they just decided it was a rape based on bruises. Did they go watch them fuck? Apparently not.
She is the one that accused him of rape. Her friends may have encouraged it, but a friend cannot get a rape charge against someone, it has to be the victim...yet...you'd think she did nothing based on the garbage trying to pass for arguments on this thread. She did it. Which is why the articles say SHE recanted it. The other two dummies just apparently encouraged it. She's responsible for what she does, even when she's drunk, even when she's a fucking dummy. Ignorance, stupidity and being intoxicated do not give anyone carte blanche to go fucking up peoples lives.
They either did what they did because they intentionally tried to ruin someones life by making up a rape, or they were incredibly stupid and reckless. (although those two are not mutually exclusive)
What did he do that was dumb, besides take someone's consent for sex as...you know...consent for sex? I suppose he was dumb enough to fuck someone that stupid.
Let's use your style or argument:
People have been falsely accused of rape after consensual sex.
Person A had consensual sex with Person B, then person B falsely accused Person A of raping them.
Person A was "dumb" because this happened to them.
Brilliant!
Thank the fucking FSM the Cambodian Courthouse wasn't as crooked as the police or as fucking stupid as the 3 dummies that accused him.
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I think the comments show that not unlike other cases where the allegations have to be fully investigated. I will say that two people believing hearsay should not in itself be evidence of rape. Even if the rape were true their evidence would really be of token value. In fact we should also know the woman withdrew her claim but it was the police, it seems who tried to perpetuate this.
Godless Raven
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Sure, and like prosecutors that care more about "wins" vs the truth, those police are disgusting and have no business in law enforcement. Once she made the lying claim along with her dummy friends she already did the damage. The same thing could happen with a prosecutor. Evidence indicates someones not guilty, they hide the evidence. But those are two different events (their lies vs police corruption). If I lied and told people you raped me whichphilosophy, and you got one of those prosecutors, the prosecutor is a royal cunt, but it doesn't justify or excuse my stupidity and recklessness towards you to begin with.
I would hope we can all agree the police were despicable.
I would hope we can all agree the police were despicable.
laughing dog
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Yes, I do. Apparently you do not. Your entire set of response of over the top straw men and bullshit qualify as "hysteria" over a rape claim.
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It seems you haven't actually read the article nor looked for any other articles.
The girl in question left a bar with a guy. Both had been drinking. There was sex. She fell, seriously injuring her wrist or hand (accounts differ) and had other injuries, including one to her head.
It is pretty understandable that she was dazed and confused, given the head injury and the alcohol. She went back to the bar and her friends saw her, dazed, confused, and injured.
She asked to go to the hospital. She was taken to the hospital.
Her friends, noting her confusion, injuries and her intoxication, and hearing her account of what happened (we don't know details but there is nothing that suggests she claimed to her friends that she was raped), concluded that she had been raped and got the police involved and the guy was charged with rape.
It is worth noting that if she was drunk and had a head injury, it is unlikely that she would remember events or remember them well. We don't even know what she told her friends, but the fact that multiple sources say the friends concluded she had been raped (drunk, confused, injured = reasonable assumption), not that she went to the police crying rape.
The employers found a videotape and decided it cleared their employee of any wrong doing and showed the women who realized that she fell and hurt herself and wasn't hurt by the guy.
The woman and her friends tried to withdraw their complaint. The police refused to drop the complaint. The employers produced the video and the guy was released.
There was nothing nefarious going on.
The fact is that the employer did/does have a very vested interest in whether one of their employees is accused of raping a guest. It's bad for business.
Here's another link, which seques quite nicely into a promo for the resort:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...odia-violent-rape-British-female-tourist.html
I don't know the laws in Cambodia or her BAC or his. You are fine with drunken sex between strangers. I think it's loaded with a lot of risk.
Many places recognize that compromised mental functions, such as through intoxication, make meaningful consent impossible. Having stopped the assault of a friend who was so out of it she had no idea what was going on and in a different scenario, having someone decide that since I was quite drunk, consent was not needed despite my strenuous and extremely vocal objections, I agree with such laws. My friend was lucky because I was able to stop what was happening before she was hurt. I was lucky that there were people near by to stop what the guy was trying to do.
Not everybody is so lucky.
Godless Raven
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I've read every article that was available. Nothing you've said at the beginning of this post is news. You've missed some details stated in multiple articles regarding her ability to articulate anything to her friends. She's the one that said she was raped, her friends just helped instigate it and then later claimed to be "witnesses", which is about as fucked up as you can get since they witnessed nothing.
From the OP link:
My issue is with all the extra shit that was added throughout this thread and the ridiculous insinuation that the employer freed the male because of convenience or that it is reasonable to make up a rape when someone "doesn't know what happened" and that's what happened here.
Yeah, rape is bad for business. So is murder, burglaries and a host of other crimes. You are the one that repeatedly insinuated the boss got him off and mentioned how it's good for business. The CCTV video got him off, regardless of business. You have no reason to believe his boss did that for any other reason that a decent person would do whatever they could to prove an innocent man was not guilty.
As far as the last bit after the resort link...I get it...I've spent enough time on threads where you and others have stated you think it's rape to fuck someone drunk (if you're a male only). You are using a personal anecdote. None of this excuses a complete lack of empathy for what this Nick guy went through. Your personal experience most likely helped shape your view on this topic, which I understand... all humans are like this. I feel awful that you and your friend went through an experience like that. It doesn't mean every guy that tries to fuck someone who is drunk is taking advantage of that person. It means a situation you were involved in did. Men in general, do not deserve to be treated like they were the guy you came across any more than Women in general deserve to be treated as though all rape claims are suspect, as Derec appears to.
My personal opinion on rape and sexual assault is that the Criminal Justice system in Canada is broken. Penalties are a joke here. I'm pro Capital punishment in only three situations. Serial killer, serial rapists and serial child molesters. I have no sympathy for repeat offenders and literally wish they were wiped off the face of the Earth. But this conversation isn't about how rape or sexual assault should be dealt with. It was about a man who nearly had his life completely ruined by 3 people that...however they came up with their stories...were not telling the truth.
Anyone can feel free to look back in all the archives here and at FRDB to see exactly what my stance is on rape/sexual assault. 99% of the time I've been part of the vocal opposition vs. Derec, Loren and the usual crowd. I have a major problem with this "blame any guy that fucks a girl whose drunk for raping them" because that is utter shit.
I have personal stories too. Some I've already shared. My son is not my biological child. He was the result of someone doing what could have happened to your friend. A stranger literally raped his biological mother while she was blacked out unconscious. You can have no idea how much that affected me or my opinion on the topic. My wife was serial molested by her grandfather, my mother was molested and raped by two different relatives growing up. None of the criminals in these cases were ever brought to justice.
Yet, I go on a thread like this and try to point out facts and I get "RAPE HYSTERIA" posted at me. I see friends still insisting there may have been a rape regardless of the fact that nobody involved in the actual situation aside from crooked police believe there was anything close to a rape. You're still suspicious because his employer cleared his name with a video and because she was drunk and you think that's potentially rape. We will never, ever agree on this. I will always agree when someone jumps a person that's blacked out or completely unable to function or think that a sexual assault has taken place, but that's not what happened here, they were seen and filmed walking, holding hands. She knew she consented once she was no longer dazed and confused. That should have ended the debate about this case, but clearly that's not the case.
Finally, I want to make it clear that I respect you and have for a long time. We agree on more things than we disagree on and I have always walked away from our discussions thinking about and considering the things you've said. I like you and consider you a friend, and right now I feel like and ass for hurling the Ad Hom that most likely resulted in the mod warning. I had no right to do that, but the combination of how wrong I felt you and LD are on this topic combined with her "Rape Hysteria" bullshit comments made me feel defensive. It's still no excuse. It seems that we don't disagree that much, but when we do, we go at it like rabid wolverines
I do hope that you know that has no bearing on what I feel about you as a person and that I still consider you a friend. I have to squash my participation on this thread. I'm in the middle of a flame war with a half a dozen freaks that think the kids that were victims of Jared the Subway molester had it coming and another where several males have been saying women in general deserve a good shit kicking because "they have it coming" on a Youtube channel. (Note to self: I really need to think about how I prioritize my free time)