Accused rapist is fortunate that CCTV tells a different story

[Loren Pechtel]

FWIW, I completely agree that rape charges should be pursued through real law enforcement. Universities discourage this because they don't want the publicity. Nobody wants to send their kid to a school where they believe their kid might be raped.

There are other issues, though. Suppose the police are slow to make an arrest and the attacker lives in your dorm and is in your chemistry lab? How do schools adequately support victims who must deal with seeing their attacker every day? Moreover, universities also have separate codes of conduct, recognizing the unique situation of a university. Students may be disciplined for under aged drinking or for plagiarism, for example. Moreover students are very young adults who don't have full adult legal status and who don't have fully adult brains. They are often in their first prolonged experience away from parental control and have their first taste of controlling their own lives. They are thrust into close quarters with strangers who may have very different ideas and habits. Which is part of the point. But it makes them very vulnerable in some ways. The university has a responsibility to provide a safe learning environment. It might not be a criminal offense for a guy or a group of guys to target a girl and call her a slut, etc, but it is certainly can create a hostile learning environment for that girl and for any others who know about the situation.

Universities have a student code of conduct in response to the realities of dealing with 18-22 year olds and also in response to their obligation to provide a safe and conducive learning environment.

The police are in a better position to know if the person needs to be arrested or not. If they're slow to make an arrest there's a reason for it--they're not at all sure he's guilty. Thus he shouldn't have his college education wrecked over this.

In the real world being accused doesn't mean you're guilty.

 

[Toni]

FWIW, I completely agree that rape charges should be pursued through real law enforcement. Universities discourage this because they don't want the publicity. Nobody wants to send their kid to a school where they believe their kid might be raped.

There are other issues, though. Suppose the police are slow to make an arrest and the attacker lives in your dorm and is in your chemistry lab? How do schools adequately support victims who must deal with seeing their attacker every day? Moreover, universities also have separate codes of conduct, recognizing the unique situation of a university. Students may be disciplined for under aged drinking or for plagiarism, for example. Moreover students are very young adults who don't have full adult legal status and who don't have fully adult brains. They are often in their first prolonged experience away from parental control and have their first taste of controlling their own lives. They are thrust into close quarters with strangers who may have very different ideas and habits. Which is part of the point. But it makes them very vulnerable in some ways. The university has a responsibility to provide a safe learning environment. It might not be a criminal offense for a guy or a group of guys to target a girl and call her a slut, etc, but it is certainly can create a hostile learning environment for that girl and for any others who know about the situation.

Universities have a student code of conduct in response to the realities of dealing with 18-22 year olds and also in response to their obligation to provide a safe and conducive learning environment.

The police are in a better position to know if the person needs to be arrested or not. If they're slow to make an arrest there's a reason for it--they're not at all sure he's guilty. Thus he shouldn't have his college education wrecked over this.

In the real world being accused doesn't mean you're guilty.

I'm not disagreeing that the police are in a better position to determine whether an arrest is warranted or not. The fact is that there are plenty of politics involved there, too. Let's not pretend that they are not.

The university has a different mission than does law enforcement. The victim's rights and needs and safety must be considered as well as the accused. You seem to care only about the accused and then because your assumption seems to be that the accused is a)male and b)innocent.

Suppose this case: it's not a university setting but a workplace setting. An employee is assaulted or claims to have been assaulted in the storage closet after an office party. There is credible evidence that an assault took place: evidence of sexual contact, plus physical injuries, torn clothing, etc. Another employee is accused. Does the employer keep the accused employee in the workplace? Or find that employee an alternate work site? Put the employee on administrative leave? Paid? Unpaid?

Suppose the attacked employee was your wife. Would you expect her to have to continue to work for or with the person who attacked her, pending an investigation?

 

[Toni]

It might not be a criminal offense for a guy or a group of guys to target a girl and call her a slut, etc, but it is certainly can create a hostile learning environment for that girl and for any others who know about the situation.

A false rape accusation creates a hostile learning environment for the men wrongly accused. And you wish to exacerbate that harm by justifying university policies in favor of alleged victims.

Again, another man telling me what I think. I feel so blessed to have you, Loren, Bacillius Anthracis telling me what I think! Perhaps I should count my blessings that you don't feel qualified to tell me what to think as well.

The fact is that you all seem to be a bit challenged in your ability to comprehend my posts. I've gone back and re-read them and I haven't offered an opinion as to whether the divergent missions of law enforcement and universities should more closely align or not. I haven't offered an opinion about whether law enforcement should/could do things differently nor have I offered any such opinion regarding universities.

What I've done is to state that the two entities have different purposes, different missions.

The rest is a figment of your individual and collective imaginations and ego.

 

[Godless Raven]

I find this entire discussion repulsive.

The victim in this case is the man who had his life fucked with and had to deal with the fact that he could have been stuck in a Cambodian prison for over a decade and he did NOTHING wrong.

The dummy that got so drunk she fell and hurt herself but was so intoxicated she didn't even fucking know she fell or whether or not she consented to sex. She's the one that's responsible for all of this. The fact that she's being defended in this case and being called a victim makes me throw up a little bit in my mouth.

If there is a case where someone falsely fucking accused someone of rape, there should be sympathy for the real victim who did nothing.

Men...you better be 100% accountable for anything you do or say when you're drunk. Too drunk to even know you fucking fell down stairs? No problem, just blame it on some woman you met and make up a story of how it must have happened. Don't feel comfortable with that? Just get a couple of friends as "witnesses"....who cares if they witnessed literally NOTHING.

No wonder Derec is fucking paranoid about this. He's wrong most of the time IMO, but when he does discuss something that is clearly a females fault in a situation like this, people are still defending the female.

It's disgusting to hear people say that when the investigators found zero evidence, that they should have kept digging to find something that matched this rape lie. Yeah, that's it...not guilty? Let's go see if we can find some people willing to say he raped them too, that way instead of finding evidence that either leads them to believe a person is innocent or guilty they can just decide someone is guilty and then go about trying to find any "evidence" that fits the crime.

This kind of shit is why it's difficult to take these discussions serious.

Yes, Derec is quick as lightning to defend accused rapists (or so it seems). Some of you are no better.

Try imagining how shit scared the male in the OP must have felt knowing he committed no crime.

This case is the reason why some men are paranoid that they could be accused of rape and have their lives ruined just because someone else was allegedly too drunk to know what and whom they were fucking doing. Women are just as fucking responsible for their actions when they are drunk as men. It's not exactly enough for the idiot in the OP to later tell the police she wasn't raped. She should have waited until she wasn't shit faced drunk and thought about it before doing what she did.

 

[Toni]

I find this entire discussion repulsive.

The victim in this case is the man who had his life fucked with and had to deal with the fact that he could have been stuck in a Cambodian prison for over a decade and he did NOTHING wrong.

The dummy that got so drunk she fell and hurt herself but was so intoxicated she didn't even fucking know she fell or whether or not she consented to sex. She's the one that's responsible for all of this. The fact that she's being defended in this case and being called a victim makes me throw up a little bit in my mouth.

If there is a case where someone falsely fucking accused someone of rape, there should be sympathy for the real victim who did nothing.

Men...you better be 100% accountable for anything you do or say when you're drunk. Too drunk to even know you fucking fell down stairs? No problem, just blame it on some woman you met and make up a story of how it must have happened. Don't feel comfortable with that? Just get a couple of friends as "witnesses"....who cares if they witnessed literally NOTHING.

No wonder Derec is fucking paranoid about this. He's wrong most of the time IMO, but when he does discuss something that is clearly a females fault in a situation like this, people are still defending the female.

It's disgusting to hear people say that when the investigators found zero evidence, that they should have kept digging to find something that matched this rape lie. Yeah, that's it...not guilty? Let's go see if we can find some people willing to say he raped them too, that way instead of finding evidence that either leads them to believe a person is innocent or guilty they can just decide someone is guilty and then go about trying to find any "evidence" that fits the crime.

This kind of shit is why it's difficult to take these discussions serious.

Yes, Derec is quick as lightning to defend accused rapists (or so it seems). Some of you are no better.

Try imagining how shit scared the male in the OP must have felt knowing he committed no crime.

This case is the reason why some men are paranoid that they could be accused of rape and have their lives ruined just because someone else was allegedly too drunk to know what and whom they were fucking doing. Women are just as fucking responsible for their actions when they are drunk as men. It's not exactly enough for the idiot in the OP to later tell the police she wasn't raped. She should have waited until she wasn't shit faced drunk and thought about it before doing what she did.

So, a woman got so drunk she had no idea what happened and how she was injured---and a guy had sex with her and it was perfectly ok for the guy to have sex with a woman who was falling down drunk but horribly wrong for her friends, who saw her injured and confused to assume that she had been raped?

And he's exonerated by his employer--who clearly had no interest in the outcome#sarcasmforthosewhocannotdetectit--through an employer supplied videotape that obviously the employer had no reason like reputation or profit to alter in any way, shape or form and she's the bad actor for being dragged to the police by her concerned friends, even though she tried to disavow any rape charges and the police refused to let her off.

Wow.

 

[TSwizzle]

This kind of shit is why it's difficult to take these discussions serious.

You're right. It gets silly very quickly.

 

[RavenSky]

A British man arrested for the alleged violent rape of a young English backpacker walked free from a Cambodian court today after prosecutors were shown 'overwhelming evidence' of his innocence.
Nick Laycock, from Slough, spent two days locked in a grim prison cell in the Cambodian town of Kampot after he was arrested at a guest house where he has been working for the past six months.
The 25-year-old was held based on statements from the woman he was said to have raped and two young female witnesses.

DailyMail

This is truly frightening. If it hadn't been for CCTV this man (with an unfortunate surname) would have been jailed for about 20 years.

Maybe. Given that the woman herself said she didn't think she'd been raped, I doubt he would have been convicted. Regardless, that had to have been a very scary, horrific experience for him; and I know from personal experience that he will likely always shudder at the "what if"... what if the video had not caught the entire encounter.

Another case of a squiffy female (and her friends) having buyers' remorse ?

No. Even the article you posted makes it very clear that the woman was drunk, dazed, confused and injured. Her friends may have jumped to an incorrect but understandable conclusion, but that is not what you are implying here.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The police are in a better position to know if the person needs to be arrested or not. If they're slow to make an arrest there's a reason for it--they're not at all sure he's guilty. Thus he shouldn't have his college education wrecked over this.

In the real world being accused doesn't mean you're guilty.

I'm not disagreeing that the police are in a better position to determine whether an arrest is warranted or not. The fact is that there are plenty of politics involved there, too. Let's not pretend that they are not.

The university has a different mission than does law enforcement. The victim's rights and needs and safety must be considered as well as the accused. You seem to care only about the accused and then because your assumption seems to be that the accused is a)male and b)innocent.

Suppose this case: it's not a university setting but a workplace setting. An employee is assaulted or claims to have been assaulted in the storage closet after an office party. There is credible evidence that an assault took place: evidence of sexual contact, plus physical injuries, torn clothing, etc. Another employee is accused. Does the employer keep the accused employee in the workplace? Or find that employee an alternate work site? Put the employee on administrative leave? Paid? Unpaid?

Suppose the attacked employee was your wife. Would you expect her to have to continue to work for or with the person who attacked her, pending an investigation?

I'll agree the university has a different mission--they're objective is appeasing the the campus rape zealots with punishing supposed rapists. Lacking enough real ones (in reality the rape rate on campus is less than the rape rate amongst women of the same age but not in college) they punish those that aren't guilty.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

So, a woman got so drunk she had no idea what happened and how she was injured---and a guy had sex with her and it was perfectly ok for the guy to have sex with a woman who was falling down drunk but horribly wrong for her friends, who saw her injured and confused to assume that she had been raped?

And he's exonerated by his employer--who clearly had no interest in the outcome#sarcasmforthosewhocannotdetectit--through an employer supplied videotape that obviously the employer had no reason like reputation or profit to alter in any way, shape or form and she's the bad actor for being dragged to the police by her concerned friends, even though she tried to disavow any rape charges and the police refused to let her off.

Wow.

So you want to punish him for having sex with a drunk woman, no matter that there's no hint of non-consent.

 

[Toni]

I'm not disagreeing that the police are in a better position to determine whether an arrest is warranted or not. The fact is that there are plenty of politics involved there, too. Let's not pretend that they are not.

The university has a different mission than does law enforcement. The victim's rights and needs and safety must be considered as well as the accused. You seem to care only about the accused and then because your assumption seems to be that the accused is a)male and b)innocent.

Suppose this case: it's not a university setting but a workplace setting. An employee is assaulted or claims to have been assaulted in the storage closet after an office party. There is credible evidence that an assault took place: evidence of sexual contact, plus physical injuries, torn clothing, etc. Another employee is accused. Does the employer keep the accused employee in the workplace? Or find that employee an alternate work site? Put the employee on administrative leave? Paid? Unpaid?

Suppose the attacked employee was your wife. Would you expect her to have to continue to work for or with the person who attacked her, pending an investigation?

I'll agree the university has a different mission--they're objective is appeasing the the campus rape zealots with punishing supposed rapists. Lacking enough real ones (in reality the rape rate on campus is less than the rape rate amongst women of the same age but not in college) they punish those that aren't guilty.

You are so far off base that it is difficult to believe that you have ever actually been on a college campus.

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So, a woman got so drunk she had no idea what happened and how she was injured---and a guy had sex with her and it was perfectly ok for the guy to have sex with a woman who was falling down drunk but horribly wrong for her friends, who saw her injured and confused to assume that she had been raped?

And he's exonerated by his employer--who clearly had no interest in the outcome#sarcasmforthosewhocannotdetectit--through an employer supplied videotape that obviously the employer had no reason like reputation or profit to alter in any way, shape or form and she's the bad actor for being dragged to the police by her concerned friends, even though she tried to disavow any rape charges and the police refused to let her off.

Wow.

So you want to punish him for having sex with a drunk woman, no matter that there's no hint of non-consent.

Riiiiight. Because that's what I wrote.

 

[Godless Raven]

I find this entire discussion repulsive.

The victim in this case is the man who had his life fucked with and had to deal with the fact that he could have been stuck in a Cambodian prison for over a decade and he did NOTHING wrong.

The dummy that got so drunk she fell and hurt herself but was so intoxicated she didn't even fucking know she fell or whether or not she consented to sex. She's the one that's responsible for all of this. The fact that she's being defended in this case and being called a victim makes me throw up a little bit in my mouth.

If there is a case where someone falsely fucking accused someone of rape, there should be sympathy for the real victim who did nothing.

Men...you better be 100% accountable for anything you do or say when you're drunk. Too drunk to even know you fucking fell down stairs? No problem, just blame it on some woman you met and make up a story of how it must have happened. Don't feel comfortable with that? Just get a couple of friends as "witnesses"....who cares if they witnessed literally NOTHING.

No wonder Derec is fucking paranoid about this. He's wrong most of the time IMO, but when he does discuss something that is clearly a females fault in a situation like this, people are still defending the female.

It's disgusting to hear people say that when the investigators found zero evidence, that they should have kept digging to find something that matched this rape lie. Yeah, that's it...not guilty? Let's go see if we can find some people willing to say he raped them too, that way instead of finding evidence that either leads them to believe a person is innocent or guilty they can just decide someone is guilty and then go about trying to find any "evidence" that fits the crime.

This kind of shit is why it's difficult to take these discussions serious.

Yes, Derec is quick as lightning to defend accused rapists (or so it seems). Some of you are no better.

Try imagining how shit scared the male in the OP must have felt knowing he committed no crime.

This case is the reason why some men are paranoid that they could be accused of rape and have their lives ruined just because someone else was allegedly too drunk to know what and whom they were fucking doing. Women are just as fucking responsible for their actions when they are drunk as men. It's not exactly enough for the idiot in the OP to later tell the police she wasn't raped. She should have waited until she wasn't shit faced drunk and thought about it before doing what she did.

So, a woman got so drunk she had no idea what happened and how she was injured---and a guy had sex with her and it was perfectly ok for the guy to have sex with a woman who was falling down drunk but horribly wrong for her friends, who saw her injured and confused to assume that she had been raped?

And he's exonerated by his employer--who clearly had no interest in the outcome#sarcasmforthosewhocannotdetectit--through an employer supplied videotape that obviously the employer had no reason like reputation or profit to alter in any way, shape or form and she's the bad actor for being dragged to the police by her concerned friends, even though she tried to disavow any rape charges and the police refused to let her off.

Wow.

1. Women are just as responsible for their actions when they are drunk as men are. There's no evidence or claim that anyone other than herself got her in that drunken state. Why aren't you worried about the man, who was apparently also drunk? They had drunk sex. You and I do not know who was more drunk...all we know is who was more clumsy. Hold this female to the same standard you want to hold the male to. In his drunk state he had sex with someone who consented. In her drunk state she had sex with someone who consented.

2. She was apparently walking over rocks when she fell. Neither of us know if she fell down because she was drunk, or because she lost her footing, or a combination of both.

3. Hold her friends to the same standard you want to hold this male to. In their drunken state, these fucking dummies just created a "rape". When someone says "I don't know what happened", that does NOT equal rape, unless someone slipped them a roofie. Do you have any evidence this happened? Because these two twits couldn't wait until they were sober and they nearly ruined a mans life over it. That's not okay.

4. There's one victim here and that's the person that was nearly thrown in a Cambodian prison for possibly over a decade because of 3 other stupid people. I don't care if you think he's the victim, it's clear to pretty much everyone he is.

5. Having the charges dropped does not remove the trauma he's already gone through. Not to mention...it may be too fucking late to save him from having his life ruined...how the fuck does someone recover from THIS:

http://www.doynews.com/article/brit...er-british-lady-while-staying-hostel-cambodia

From the article (that has his fucking picture on it in cuffs). The web headline makes it sound like he's raped more than one person for christsake.

Sunday, August 23, 2015 - 19:15
Police in Cambodia have arrested Nicholas Laycock, 25-year-old British man for raping and physically abusing a 22-year-old British woman, (Name Witheld) in Kampot Cambodia. The victim had been travelling in Kampot for 3 days, But Nicholas had been living in Cambodia for 6 months.

Nicholas was arrested by a team led by General Moa Chanmotukrith of the provincial police of Provincial Criminal headquarters, on the order of the prosecutor of the provincial court, around 3:00 pm on 22 August 2015.

According to a report by Dap News, On the 21, August 2015, the victim was having a drink with 20 other foreigners, she had lodged into the Arcadia hostel, located in the Snom Prambpee village, Mak Prank commune,Tuk Choo commune, Kampot province. That was when Nicholas walked up to her, raped and abused her physically. After that, she walked up to her friends, but could not utter a word, instead she was scared and was shaking. While trying to persuade her, the victim was only crying, until she gained some momentum and ask that her friends take her to the Sun Ya Keal hospital for treatment.

The police in the province took a lot of interest in the case, and after the victim was able to reveal a name, they went ahead to arrest him on the order of the prosecutor at the provincial court.

According to doctors, the victim is still frightened and looks shaken up, she is reported to have wounds all over her body, and also with a broken hand.

Hundreds of thousands of people will read that article and take away from it that it's a fact he raped someone. His life has already been turned upside down but damage like this is non-repairable. HE is the only victim here.

Dummy is a victim of her inability to control how much liquor she drinks and her own stupidity for walking on rocks afterwards. She and her stupid friends that in their drunken stuper made up all this shit up. Fucking reckless idiots!

He was exonerated by a fucking video, not by his employer, The court didn't say "oh your boss says you didn't do it? Okay, you're free to go!" like you are implying, so you can make some veiled accusation that his boss was covering for the imaginary rape your peddling. #nofuckingsarcasm

She didn't disavow rape charges when she was being "dragged" to the hospital. She fucking asked them to take her to the hospital. After these dummies sobered up they realized there was no rape. Fucking morons.

Wow! This is a big part of why Derec is terrified that someone could just lie and put a male in prison over a fake rape charge. Even after EVERYONE involved says there is NO rape, there are folks like you still pushing for it.

What-in-the-FUCK!?

 

[laughing dog]

Wow! This is a big part of why Derec is terrified that someone could just lie and put a male in prison over a fake rape charge. Even after EVERYONE involved says there is NO rape, there are folks like you still pushing for it.

What-in-the-FUCK!?

No one was pushing for the false rape charge to stick except the police: that is fucking ridiculous straw man. The obvious point that has been made a number of times is that when a seriously drunk person (man or woman) with serious injuries and reports they may have had sex, that it is reasonable conclusion that they were raped. And that it makes perfect sense to report this to the police ASAP and to get medical and forensic assistance. After all, many people (including the police) tend to take an immediate complaint about rape more seriously than one that comes in after a few days.

Does that explanation quell your rape hysteria?

 

[Playball40]

If the woman was drunk, and they had "consensual" sex, its still rape isn't it? Shouldn't he still be in jail?

Don't know. Check CAMBODIAN law.

 

[Godless Raven]

Wow! This is a big part of why Derec is terrified that someone could just lie and put a male in prison over a fake rape charge. Even after EVERYONE involved says there is NO rape, there are folks like you still pushing for it.

What-in-the-FUCK!?

No one was pushing for the false rape charge to stick except the police: that is fucking ridiculous straw man. The obvious point that has been made a number of times is that when a seriously drunk person (man or woman) with serious injuries and reports they may have had sex, that it is reasonable conclusion that they were raped. And that it makes perfect sense to report this to the police ASAP and to get medical and forensic assistance. After all, many people (including the police) tend to take an immediate complaint about rape more seriously than one that comes in after a few days.

Does that explanation quell your rape hysteria?

You appear to think that because something is "reasonable" to you, that it's reasonable. You're wrong.

I'm discussing this topic on this thread with someone who thinks he was only let go because his "boss" said he didn't do it and they inferred there was something suspicious about that. So you are wrong when you say nobody is saying they want the rape charges to continue.

You're pathetic excuse for why the dummies all showed up drunk and then reported a rape because that way the police would take an immediate complaint about rape more seriously is reckless. As soon as dummy #1 sobered up, she knew there had been no rape, before anything to do with cameras. That you don't get why the drunk dummies should have taken 5 before doing something so fucking careless is your problem...not mine.

Quell my rape hysteria? What the fuck is wrong with you?

 

[Toni]

So, a woman got so drunk she had no idea what happened and how she was injured---and a guy had sex with her and it was perfectly ok for the guy to have sex with a woman who was falling down drunk but horribly wrong for her friends, who saw her injured and confused to assume that she had been raped?

And he's exonerated by his employer--who clearly had no interest in the outcome#sarcasmforthosewhocannotdetectit--through an employer supplied videotape that obviously the employer had no reason like reputation or profit to alter in any way, shape or form and she's the bad actor for being dragged to the police by her concerned friends, even though she tried to disavow any rape charges and the police refused to let her off.

Wow.

1. Women are just as responsible for their actions when they are drunk as men are. There's no evidence or claim that anyone other than herself got her in that drunken state. Why aren't you worried about the man, who was apparently also drunk? They had drunk sex. You and I do not know who was more drunk...all we know is who was more clumsy. Hold this female to the same standard you want to hold the male to. In his drunk state he had sex with someone who consented. In her drunk state she had sex with someone who consented.

2. She was apparently walking over rocks when she fell. Neither of us know if she fell down because she was drunk, or because she lost her footing, or a combination of both.

3. Hold her friends to the same standard you want to hold this male to. In their drunken state, these fucking dummies just created a "rape". When someone says "I don't know what happened", that does NOT equal rape, unless someone slipped them a roofie. Do you have any evidence this happened? Because these two twits couldn't wait until they were sober and they nearly ruined a mans life over it. That's not okay.

4. There's one victim here and that's the person that was nearly thrown in a Cambodian prison for possibly over a decade because of 3 other stupid people. I don't care if you think he's the victim, it's clear to pretty much everyone he is.

5. Having the charges dropped does not remove the trauma he's already gone through. Not to mention...it may be too fucking late to save him from having his life ruined...how the fuck does someone recover from THIS:

http://www.doynews.com/article/brit...er-british-lady-while-staying-hostel-cambodia

From the article (that has his fucking picture on it in cuffs). The web headline makes it sound like he's raped more than one person for christsake.

View attachment 3899

Sunday, August 23, 2015 - 19:15
Police in Cambodia have arrested Nicholas Laycock, 25-year-old British man for raping and physically abusing a 22-year-old British woman, (Name Witheld) in Kampot Cambodia. The victim had been travelling in Kampot for 3 days, But Nicholas had been living in Cambodia for 6 months.

Nicholas was arrested by a team led by General Moa Chanmotukrith of the provincial police of Provincial Criminal headquarters, on the order of the prosecutor of the provincial court, around 3:00 pm on 22 August 2015.

According to a report by Dap News, On the 21, August 2015, the victim was having a drink with 20 other foreigners, she had lodged into the Arcadia hostel, located in the Snom Prambpee village, Mak Prank commune,Tuk Choo commune, Kampot province. That was when Nicholas walked up to her, raped and abused her physically. After that, she walked up to her friends, but could not utter a word, instead she was scared and was shaking. While trying to persuade her, the victim was only crying, until she gained some momentum and ask that her friends take her to the Sun Ya Keal hospital for treatment.

The police in the province took a lot of interest in the case, and after the victim was able to reveal a name, they went ahead to arrest him on the order of the prosecutor at the provincial court.

According to doctors, the victim is still frightened and looks shaken up, she is reported to have wounds all over her body, and also with a broken hand.

Hundreds of thousands of people will read that article and take away from it that it's a fact he raped someone. His life has already been turned upside down but damage like this is non-repairable. HE is the only victim here.

Dummy is a victim of her inability to control how much liquor she drinks and her own stupidity for walking on rocks afterwards. She and her stupid friends that in their drunken stuper made up all this shit up. Fucking reckless idiots!

He was exonerated by a fucking video, not by his employer, The court didn't say "oh your boss says you didn't do it? Okay, you're free to go!" like you are implying, so you can make some veiled accusation that his boss was covering for the imaginary rape your peddling. #nofuckingsarcasm

She didn't disavow rape charges when she was being "dragged" to the hospital. She fucking asked them to take her to the hospital. After these dummies sobered up they realized there was no rape. Fucking morons.

Wow! This is a big part of why Derec is terrified that someone could just lie and put a male in prison over a fake rape charge. Even after EVERYONE involved says there is NO rape, there are folks like you still pushing for it.

What-in-the-FUCK!?

Gee, if the article is remotely accurate, it sounds like her friends made the right call to get the police involved and the police were right to investigate. If this had been your daughter or sister or wife who stumbled into a room, confused, with a broken hand and numerous other injuries, crying and not being able to articulate what had happened and asking to be taken to the hospital, what would YOU have done?

You have no idea whether her friends were drunk or not. You have no idea whether the guy was drunk or not. For that matter, you have no idea whether she got really drunk of her own accord or if she was 'helped' along by a friendly (to the guy) bartender--something that is known to happen at a particular bar where I live. We don't know if roofies were used or if there was any test made. We don't know any of that. YOU are quite willing to assume that the video supplied by the employer gives a complete, accurate and full depiction of exactly what happened. I believe that while it may have done, it was in the employer's best interests to make sure that THEIR employees were cleared of any wrongdoing. Not out of the goodness of their hearts or their concern for their employee.

You are completely ok with ignoring that the woman did not want to press charges, tried to withdraw what charges were made and decide that she's a dummy.

Why isn't he also dumb for getting drunk (as you allege he was) and having drunken sex with a virtual stranger? Why wasn't he responsible for protecting himself against potential consequences of his drunken action.

 

[laughing dog]

You appear to think that because something is "reasonable" to you, that it's reasonable. You're wrong.

It is reasonable to more people than just me. You appear to feel (not think) that if something is not reasonable to you then it is not reasonable. You are wrong.

I'm discussing this topic on this thread with someone who thinks he was only let go because his "boss" said he didn't do it and they inferred there was something suspicious about that. So you are wrong when you say nobody is saying they want the rape charges to continue.

I said "No one was pushing for the false rape charge to stick except the police" so your response addresses a straw man. I have no idea what you are talking about with "being let go" or what has to do with this discussion.

You're pathetic excuse for why the dummies all showed up drunk and then reported a rape because that way the police would take an immediate complaint about rape more seriously is reckless. As soon as dummy #1 sobered up, she knew there had been no rape, before anything to do with cameras. That you don't get why the drunk dummies should have taken 5 before doing something so fucking careless is your problem...not mine.

Dummy? Do you have more information about this case or is your rape hysteria clouding your reasoning?

Quell my rape hysteria? What the fuck is wrong with you?

Yes, you are confused.

 

[Godless Raven]

1. Women are just as responsible for their actions when they are drunk as men are. There's no evidence or claim that anyone other than herself got her in that drunken state. Why aren't you worried about the man, who was apparently also drunk? They had drunk sex. You and I do not know who was more drunk...all we know is who was more clumsy. Hold this female to the same standard you want to hold the male to. In his drunk state he had sex with someone who consented. In her drunk state she had sex with someone who consented.

2. She was apparently walking over rocks when she fell. Neither of us know if she fell down because she was drunk, or because she lost her footing, or a combination of both.

3. Hold her friends to the same standard you want to hold this male to. In their drunken state, these fucking dummies just created a "rape". When someone says "I don't know what happened", that does NOT equal rape, unless someone slipped them a roofie. Do you have any evidence this happened? Because these two twits couldn't wait until they were sober and they nearly ruined a mans life over it. That's not okay.

4. There's one victim here and that's the person that was nearly thrown in a Cambodian prison for possibly over a decade because of 3 other stupid people. I don't care if you think he's the victim, it's clear to pretty much everyone he is.

5. Having the charges dropped does not remove the trauma he's already gone through. Not to mention...it may be too fucking late to save him from having his life ruined...how the fuck does someone recover from THIS:

http://www.doynews.com/article/brit...er-british-lady-while-staying-hostel-cambodia

From the article (that has his fucking picture on it in cuffs). The web headline makes it sound like he's raped more than one person for christsake.

View attachment 3899

Sunday, August 23, 2015 - 19:15
Police in Cambodia have arrested Nicholas Laycock, 25-year-old British man for raping and physically abusing a 22-year-old British woman, (Name Witheld) in Kampot Cambodia. The victim had been travelling in Kampot for 3 days, But Nicholas had been living in Cambodia for 6 months.

Nicholas was arrested by a team led by General Moa Chanmotukrith of the provincial police of Provincial Criminal headquarters, on the order of the prosecutor of the provincial court, around 3:00 pm on 22 August 2015.

According to a report by Dap News, On the 21, August 2015, the victim was having a drink with 20 other foreigners, she had lodged into the Arcadia hostel, located in the Snom Prambpee village, Mak Prank commune,Tuk Choo commune, Kampot province. That was when Nicholas walked up to her, raped and abused her physically. After that, she walked up to her friends, but could not utter a word, instead she was scared and was shaking. While trying to persuade her, the victim was only crying, until she gained some momentum and ask that her friends take her to the Sun Ya Keal hospital for treatment.

The police in the province took a lot of interest in the case, and after the victim was able to reveal a name, they went ahead to arrest him on the order of the prosecutor at the provincial court.

According to doctors, the victim is still frightened and looks shaken up, she is reported to have wounds all over her body, and also with a broken hand.

Hundreds of thousands of people will read that article and take away from it that it's a fact he raped someone. His life has already been turned upside down but damage like this is non-repairable. HE is the only victim here.

Dummy is a victim of her inability to control how much liquor she drinks and her own stupidity for walking on rocks afterwards. She and her stupid friends that in their drunken stuper made up all this shit up. Fucking reckless idiots!

He was exonerated by a fucking video, not by his employer, The court didn't say "oh your boss says you didn't do it? Okay, you're free to go!" like you are implying, so you can make some veiled accusation that his boss was covering for the imaginary rape your peddling. #nofuckingsarcasm

She didn't disavow rape charges when she was being "dragged" to the hospital. She fucking asked them to take her to the hospital. After these dummies sobered up they realized there was no rape. Fucking morons.

Wow! This is a big part of why Derec is terrified that someone could just lie and put a male in prison over a fake rape charge. Even after EVERYONE involved says there is NO rape, there are folks like you still pushing for it.

What-in-the-FUCK!?

Gee, if the article is remotely accurate, it sounds like her friends made the right call to get the police involved and the police were right to investigate. If this had been your daughter or sister or wife who stumbled into a room, confused, with a broken hand and numerous other injuries, crying and not being able to articulate what had happened and asking to be taken to the hospital, what would YOU have done?

You have no idea whether her friends were drunk or not. You have no idea whether the guy was drunk or not. For that matter, you have no idea whether she got really drunk of her own accord or if she was 'helped' along by a friendly (to the guy) bartender--something that is known to happen at a particular bar where I live. We don't know if roofies were used or if there was any test made. We don't know any of that. YOU are quite willing to assume that the video supplied by the employer gives a complete, accurate and full depiction of exactly what happened. I believe that while it may have done, it was in the employer's best interests to make sure that THEIR employees were cleared of any wrongdoing. Not out of the goodness of their hearts or their concern for their employee.

You are completely ok with ignoring that the woman did not want to press charges, tried to withdraw what charges were made and decide that she's a dummy.

Why isn't he also dumb for getting drunk (as you allege he was) and having drunken sex with a virtual stranger? Why wasn't he responsible for protecting himself against potential consequences of his drunken action.

If that were my daughter, I would want to know what happened to her. If she couldn't articulate what happened, I would continue to attempt to find out. I would NOT fucking make up a rape charge and try ruin a persons life over it, mainly because I was born with a fucking moral compass. Not being able to articulate what happened to you when you are bruised up does NOT equal rape. What in the fuck!?

If what article is remotely accurate? The one I posted where it states as fact that there was a rape and physical assault? I posted it because it's NOT fucking accurate, it's stated as fact this guy raped someone, the headline makes it sound like he raped multiple people and it's done damage to this person.

They were drinking, he was drinking. If they weren't drunk, it's fucking worse. They literally have NO excuse for being so fucking careless and reckless. I do not know that she wasn't "helped", that's why I said there is ZERO evidence or claims that anyone did help her. Apparently...to you, that's evidence someone may have! Unbelievable.

We don't know if roofies were used? Yeah, we also don't know if you were there shoving a giant dildo up her ass either. I get it, you don't have a problem with just making shit up because "we don't know". Who cares if every single person involved says there was no rape. Let's investigate if roofies were used! This isn't hysteria, it's borderline insanity.

The video showed without a doubt to the court that he was innocent. It showed to the employer that he was innocent. It saved his ass from lying psychopaths on a witch hunt. That you still think it's suspicious says more about you than it does about evidence.

It's in the best interest of ANY decent human being to clear someone when you have evidence they did not commit a crime. Someone with a moral compass wouldn't need to weigh what the other person meant to them in monetary value. What do you know about his employer that has lead to your baseless insinuations? Nothing.

I did not say anywhere I was completely okay with ignoring that the woman didn't want to press charges. First of all...you've insinuated previously that it was her friends that pressed charges, and it wasn't, it was her. Second, I am NOT okay with her recanting after fucking making up a lie. That's what I said. I get that you're fine with it. She's still the victim in your opinion, apparently.

She is a dummy. A big fucking dummy and so are her two dummy friends. Nothing they did or said indicates even a smidgen of intelligence that weekend other than the "victim" sobering up and suddenly remembering..."wait, I wasn't raped...did we go to the cops last night?" or whatever was rolling around in her big dummy head.

Why isn't he dumb for getting drunk? Are you being serious? I've never said it was dumb to be drunk. I've stated repeatedly that a person, regardless of their sex, is responsible for their actions when they are drunk. I am not the one that thinks fucking someone while you're drunk is a crime, you're mixing me up with the twits that think it is. I've said clearly she's a dummy for getting SO drunk she could do this to someone. I'm all for consensual sex, drunk, sober or high. Half the people I know wouldn't be on this planet if it wasn't for alcohol fueled sex, myself included. I'm also not against having sex with a virtual stranger. If someone wants to do that, I hope they enjoy the fuck out of it. I just hope they are sober enough not to hook up with a fucking dummy like the idiot in this OP.

Protecting himself against potential consequences of his drunken action? What the fuck are you on about? He was responsible. He chose to have sex with someone he barely knew. If it was unprotected he could have got her pregnant or got an STD. He'd be responsible for that. What "drunken action" are you even talking about? He didn't fall down and fuck up his face. He didn't make up a fake rape charge and try ruin someones life only to shortly afterwards realize "oh that's right...that didn't happen, I'm just an incredible fucking dummy!" Do you think this was his fault?

This is a case where you are clearly fucking wrong. The fact that you're doubling down anyway is no different than Derec doubling down when he's completely wrong. That you apparently have no sympathy or empathy for this guy who could have had his entire life ruined (and probably already has his reputation ruined) says a lot about whether you care what's true in this case.

 

[Godless Raven]

It is reasonable to more people than just me. You appear to feel (not think) that if something is not reasonable to you then it is not reasonable. You are wrong.

I'm discussing this topic on this thread with someone who thinks he was only let go because his "boss" said he didn't do it and they inferred there was something suspicious about that. So you are wrong when you say nobody is saying they want the rape charges to continue.

I said "No one was pushing for the false rape charge to stick except the police" so your response addresses a straw man. I have no idea what you are talking about with "being let go" or what has to do with this discussion.

You're pathetic excuse for why the dummies all showed up drunk and then reported a rape because that way the police would take an immediate complaint about rape more seriously is reckless. As soon as dummy #1 sobered up, she knew there had been no rape, before anything to do with cameras. That you don't get why the drunk dummies should have taken 5 before doing something so fucking careless is your problem...not mine.

Dummy? Do you have more information about this case or is your rape hysteria clouding your reasoning?

Quell my rape hysteria? What the fuck is wrong with you?

Yes, you are confused.

I can see exactly who it's "reasonable" to. I could have also listed you those names without even reading this article and predicted these results. I wonder why...

I can see you have no clue, thanks for your confirmation.

Yes, "dummy". All three of them, are dummies. I've read nearly a dozen articles, I have no idea whether I have more information than you do. I do know what you're doing with whatever information you have, and that's the point.

"Being let go"....... "getting out of prison", "being released by the court", "no longer in jail", "case dismissed, you're free to leave on your own", "you are no longer a suspect, leave", "all charges have been dropped, you have no business in this cell anymore", "vamos, this is where we keep potential criminals before trial, and you are not one, go", "poof! make like Creskin and vanish", "make like a tree and leave", "your presence is no longer being requested in this facility, so get the fuck out".

Clear enough or would ASL or Braille help?

I'm confused with why you are accusing me of having rape hysteria when all I've done is point out this person did nothing wrong and it was the irresponsibility of 3 other people that caused this whole situation. If you think that's rape hysteria, I think you're going to find out you're crying wolf way too often and it's probably why you shouldn't be taken seriously on this topic. If I'm guilty of rape hysteria, you and Toni are guilty of "rape retardation", because you've both gone full retard.

 

[Toni]

1. Women are just as responsible for their actions when they are drunk as men are. There's no evidence or claim that anyone other than herself got her in that drunken state. Why aren't you worried about the man, who was apparently also drunk? They had drunk sex. You and I do not know who was more drunk...all we know is who was more clumsy. Hold this female to the same standard you want to hold the male to. In his drunk state he had sex with someone who consented. In her drunk state she had sex with someone who consented.

2. She was apparently walking over rocks when she fell. Neither of us know if she fell down because she was drunk, or because she lost her footing, or a combination of both.

3. Hold her friends to the same standard you want to hold this male to. In their drunken state, these fucking dummies just created a "rape". When someone says "I don't know what happened", that does NOT equal rape, unless someone slipped them a roofie. Do you have any evidence this happened? Because these two twits couldn't wait until they were sober and they nearly ruined a mans life over it. That's not okay.

4. There's one victim here and that's the person that was nearly thrown in a Cambodian prison for possibly over a decade because of 3 other stupid people. I don't care if you think he's the victim, it's clear to pretty much everyone he is.

5. Having the charges dropped does not remove the trauma he's already gone through. Not to mention...it may be too fucking late to save him from having his life ruined...how the fuck does someone recover from THIS:

http://www.doynews.com/article/brit...er-british-lady-while-staying-hostel-cambodia

From the article (that has his fucking picture on it in cuffs). The web headline makes it sound like he's raped more than one person for christsake.

View attachment 3899

Sunday, August 23, 2015 - 19:15
Police in Cambodia have arrested Nicholas Laycock, 25-year-old British man for raping and physically abusing a 22-year-old British woman, (Name Witheld) in Kampot Cambodia. The victim had been travelling in Kampot for 3 days, But Nicholas had been living in Cambodia for 6 months.

Nicholas was arrested by a team led by General Moa Chanmotukrith of the provincial police of Provincial Criminal headquarters, on the order of the prosecutor of the provincial court, around 3:00 pm on 22 August 2015.

According to a report by Dap News, On the 21, August 2015, the victim was having a drink with 20 other foreigners, she had lodged into the Arcadia hostel, located in the Snom Prambpee village, Mak Prank commune,Tuk Choo commune, Kampot province. That was when Nicholas walked up to her, raped and abused her physically. After that, she walked up to her friends, but could not utter a word, instead she was scared and was shaking. While trying to persuade her, the victim was only crying, until she gained some momentum and ask that her friends take her to the Sun Ya Keal hospital for treatment.

The police in the province took a lot of interest in the case, and after the victim was able to reveal a name, they went ahead to arrest him on the order of the prosecutor at the provincial court.

According to doctors, the victim is still frightened and looks shaken up, she is reported to have wounds all over her body, and also with a broken hand.

Hundreds of thousands of people will read that article and take away from it that it's a fact he raped someone. His life has already been turned upside down but damage like this is non-repairable. HE is the only victim here.

Dummy is a victim of her inability to control how much liquor she drinks and her own stupidity for walking on rocks afterwards. She and her stupid friends that in their drunken stuper made up all this shit up. Fucking reckless idiots!

He was exonerated by a fucking video, not by his employer, The court didn't say "oh your boss says you didn't do it? Okay, you're free to go!" like you are implying, so you can make some veiled accusation that his boss was covering for the imaginary rape your peddling. #nofuckingsarcasm

She didn't disavow rape charges when she was being "dragged" to the hospital. She fucking asked them to take her to the hospital. After these dummies sobered up they realized there was no rape. Fucking morons.

Wow! This is a big part of why Derec is terrified that someone could just lie and put a male in prison over a fake rape charge. Even after EVERYONE involved says there is NO rape, there are folks like you still pushing for it.

What-in-the-FUCK!?

Gee, if the article is remotely accurate, it sounds like her friends made the right call to get the police involved and the police were right to investigate. If this had been your daughter or sister or wife who stumbled into a room, confused, with a broken hand and numerous other injuries, crying and not being able to articulate what had happened and asking to be taken to the hospital, what would YOU have done?

You have no idea whether her friends were drunk or not. You have no idea whether the guy was drunk or not. For that matter, you have no idea whether she got really drunk of her own accord or if she was 'helped' along by a friendly (to the guy) bartender--something that is known to happen at a particular bar where I live. We don't know if roofies were used or if there was any test made. We don't know any of that. YOU are quite willing to assume that the video supplied by the employer gives a complete, accurate and full depiction of exactly what happened. I believe that while it may have done, it was in the employer's best interests to make sure that THEIR employees were cleared of any wrongdoing. Not out of the goodness of their hearts or their concern for their employee.

You are completely ok with ignoring that the woman did not want to press charges, tried to withdraw what charges were made and decide that she's a dummy.

Why isn't he also dumb for getting drunk (as you allege he was) and having drunken sex with a virtual stranger? Why wasn't he responsible for protecting himself against potential consequences of his drunken action.

If that were my daughter, I would want to know what happened to her. If she couldn't articulate what happened, I would continue to attempt to find out. I would NOT fucking make up a rape charge and try ruin a persons life over it, mainly because I was born with a fucking moral compass. Not being able to articulate what happened to you when you are bruised up does NOT equal rape. What in the fuck!?

If what article is remotely accurate? The one I posted where it states as fact that there was a rape and physical assault? I posted it because it's NOT fucking accurate, it's stated as fact this guy raped someone, the headline makes it sound like he raped multiple people and it's done damage to this person.

They were drinking, he was drinking. If they weren't drunk, it's fucking worse. They literally have NO excuse for being so fucking careless and reckless. I do not know that she wasn't "helped", that's why I said there is ZERO evidence or claims that anyone did help her. Apparently...to you, that's evidence someone may have! Unbelievable.

We don't know if roofies were used? Yeah, we also don't know if you were there shoving a giant dildo up her ass either. I get it, you don't have a problem with just making shit up because "we don't know". Who cares if every single person involved says there was no rape. Let's investigate if roofies were used! This isn't hysteria, it's borderline insanity.

The video showed without a doubt to the court that he was innocent. It showed to the employer that he was innocent. It saved his ass from lying psychopaths on a witch hunt. That you still think it's suspicious says more about you than it does about evidence.

It's in the best interest of ANY decent human being to clear someone when you have evidence they did not commit a crime. Someone with a moral compass wouldn't need to weigh what the other person meant to them in monetary value. What do you know about his employer that has lead to your baseless insinuations? Nothing.

I did not say anywhere I was completely okay with ignoring that the woman didn't want to press charges. First of all...you've insinuated previously that it was her friends that pressed charges, and it wasn't, it was her. Second, I am NOT okay with her recanting after fucking making up a lie. That's what I said. I get that you're fine with it. She's still the victim in your opinion, apparently.

She is a dummy. A big fucking dummy and so are her two dummy friends. Nothing they did or said indicates even a smidgen of intelligence that weekend other than the "victim" sobering up and suddenly remembering..."wait, I wasn't raped...did we go to the cops last night?" or whatever was rolling around in her big dummy head.

Why isn't he dumb for getting drunk? Are you being serious? I've never said it was dumb to be drunk. I've stated repeatedly that a person, regardless of their sex, is responsible for their actions when they are drunk. I am not the one that thinks fucking someone while you're drunk is a crime, you're mixing me up with the twits that think it is. I've said clearly she's a dummy for getting SO drunk she could do this to someone. I'm all for consensual sex, drunk, sober or high. Half the people I know wouldn't be on this planet if it wasn't for alcohol fueled sex, myself included. I'm also not against having sex with a virtual stranger. If someone wants to do that, I hope they enjoy the fuck out of it. I just hope they are sober enough not to hook up with a fucking dummy like the idiot in this OP.

Protecting himself against potential consequences of his drunken action? What the fuck are you on about? He was responsible. He chose to have sex with someone he barely knew. If it was unprotected he could have got her pregnant or got an STD. He'd be responsible for that. What "drunken action" are you even talking about? He didn't fall down and fuck up his face. He didn't make up a fake rape charge and try ruin someones life only to shortly afterwards realize "oh that's right...that didn't happen, I'm just an incredible fucking dummy!" Do you think this was his fault?

This is a case where you are clearly fucking wrong. The fact that you're doubling down anyway is no different than Derec doubling down when he's completely wrong. That you apparently have no sympathy or empathy for this guy who could have had his entire life ruined (and probably already has his reputation ruined) says a lot about whether you care what's true in this case.

A woman who goes out drinking is taking a risk that she will be raped. Heck, a woman is taking a risk that she will nbe raped no matter what she does, including becoming a nun(literally).

A guy who picks up a drunk girl to have sec with also bears risks.

And again: the girl tried to shit the whole rape accusation down.

If she and her friends were 'dummies,' he is certainly a charter member of that club.

 

[laughing dog]

I can see exactly who it's "reasonable" to...blah blah blah......

Unfortunately, your posts do not confirm that claim.

Yes, "dummy". All three of them, are dummies. I've read nearly a dozen articles, I have no idea whether I have more information than you do

Unfortunately, your posts do not confirm that claim.

I'm confused with why you are accusing me of having rape hysteria when all I've done is point out this person did nothing wrong and it was the irresponsibility of 3 other people that caused this whole situation.....

Your entire posts indicate confusion on your part. The friends were mistaken, but it was a reasonable mistake given the information at hand. I suppose your solution was for them to ignore the entire situation.

If you think that's rape hysteria, I think you're going to find out you're crying wolf way too often and it's probably why you shouldn't be taken seriously on this topic.

What are you blabbering about now? Are you under the impression I go around crying "Rape". Really, wtf is wrong with you?

If I'm guilty of rape hysteria, you and Toni are guilty of "rape retardation", because you've both gone full retard.

Nah, neither one of us has come close to your babbling hysteria.