Alex Jones did WHAaaAAAaattT????

Loony Running The Asylum
Staff member
4 million is not enough.
Will there be additional punitive damages?
New York (CNN Business)Right-wing talk show host Alex Jones will have to pay the parents of a Sandy Hook shooting victim a little more than $4 million in compensatory damages, a jury decided Thursday, capping a stunning and dramatic case that showcased for the public the real-world harm inflicted by viral conspiracy theories. The award from the jury was far less than what the plaintiffs, Scarlett Lewis and Neil Heslin, had asked for. At the start of the trial, attorneys for Lewis and Heslin asked the jury to award their clients$150 million in compensatory damages.
A separate, shorter trial during which punitive damages will be discussed is now expected. Punitive damages are awarded when the court finds the defendant's behavior to be especially offensive.
Mark Bankston, an attorney for the parents, told CNN that the plaintiffs are happy with the jury's decision, noting that they had also received money prior to the trial due to sanctions the court had hit Jones with.
"Having already secured $1.5 million in fines from Mr Jones, the plaintiffs are now due$5.6 million that Alex Jones will have to pay them," Bankston said.
This is actual damages. Punishment is still to come, at least the way I read this.

Loony Running The Asylum
Staff member
Accidentally emailing the wrong person happens all the time.
Ha ha ha...

I'm old enough to remember
"The ugly moment when you realize that you hit 'reply all"

Tom
I am equally old enough to remember training courses for people to make them aware of the dreaded function "Reply all". This is an own goal, an unforced error, a failure in training, a mistake in play, a result of poor coaching.

Pick your sporting metaphor. "Accidentally emailing" wasn't a valid excuse even in the 90's. That excuse is old enough for me to take it out for some drinks, a dance, a restaurant and then consensually fuck afterwards.

To "accidentally email" someone in 2022 is the same thing as having a neon sign stapled to your back that declares "I'm unprofessional and even worse I am incompetent".
Which is what I expect as "par for the course" as pertains to Jones.

Gosh I want to see that phone's contents so badly
TYT did a segment that said there was tranny porn on his phone.

Jarhyn

Wizard
Accidentally emailing the wrong person happens all the time.
Ha ha ha...

I'm old enough to remember
"The ugly moment when you realize that you hit 'reply all"

Tom
I am equally old enough to remember training courses for people to make them aware of the dreaded function "Reply all". This is an own goal, an unforced error, a failure in training, a mistake in play, a result of poor coaching.

Pick your sporting metaphor. "Accidentally emailing" wasn't a valid excuse even in the 90's. That excuse is old enough for me to take it out for some drinks, a dance, a restaurant and then consensually fuck afterwards.

To "accidentally email" someone in 2022 is the same thing as having a neon sign stapled to your back that declares "I'm unprofessional and even worse I am incompetent".
Which is what I expect as "par for the course" as pertains to Jones.

Gosh I want to see that phone's contents so badly
TYT did a segment that said there was tranny porn on his phone.
Yeah, he needs to study the exact process that the liberals were using to turn the frogs gay.

Patooka

Contributor
The depth of your wisdom and insight is an inspiration to us all.
I love sarcasm as much as the next person.

Actually, that's crap. I love sarcasm more than anyone else. So please believe me when I say I truly respect your response.

Having said that, this is a very high profile lawsuit, with a very well known celebrity in the centre of it. A fuck up like the defense did, and then try to sweep it under the carpet is well worth condemnation and parody. A total lack of self awareness from Alex Jones' lawyers also merits contempt and satire. If Alex Jones' legal defense is just a clown car of fuckups, I have no problem pointing and laughing.

TomC

Celestial Highness
fuck up like the defense did, and then try to sweep it under the carpet is well worth condemnation and parody.
Here's the thing.
To the best of my knowledge, nobody in the public knows what happened. The possibilities are huge. It may have been user error. It may have been an internal sabotage. It may have been an outside hack.

It could even be a ploy by the defense. Leaks can be very useful, properly managed. It may be that the most damning materials were removed before the leak.

Like I said, I don't claim to know. But some very ruthless people are playing a high stakes game here. I'm uninclinded to eliminate any of the possibilities.
Tom

Playball40

Veteran Member
Out of curiosity, how do we know it is the complete text transcripts and they haven't been redacted?

Jarhyn

Wizard
Out of curiosity, how do we know it is the complete text transcripts and they haven't been redacted?
My guess is that we know this because Jones is not a mastermind, and you could tell pretty quick on the basis of how defenestrating that corpus of phone contents is.

A smarter idiot would delete the most terrible bullshit, leave some stuff that's close-ish, and then also delete anything incriminating.

Like, keep the trans porn, delete the unsolicited tubgirl reenactment video messages, delete the sandy hook emails.

I don't take Alex Jones for a smarter idiot

Jimmy Higgins

Contributor
fuck up like the defense did, and then try to sweep it under the carpet is well worth condemnation and parody.
Here's the thing.
To the best of my knowledge, nobody in the public knows what happened. The possibilities are huge. It may have been user error. It may have been an internal sabotage. It may have been an outside hack.

It could even be a ploy by the defense. Leaks can be very useful, properly managed. It may be that the most damning materials were removed before the leak.

Like I said, I don't claim to know. But some very ruthless people are playing a high stakes game here. I'm uninclinded to eliminate any of the possibilities.
Tom
Ruthless people would have broadsided Jones with a bus.

starwater

Veteran Member
fuck up like the defense did, and then try to sweep it under the carpet is well worth condemnation and parody.
Here's the thing.
To the best of my knowledge, nobody in the public knows what happened. The possibilities are huge. It may have been user error. It may have been an internal sabotage. It may have been an outside hack.

It could even be a ploy by the defense. Leaks can be very useful, properly managed. It may be that the most damning materials were removed before the leak.

Like I said, I don't claim to know. But some very ruthless people are playing a high stakes game here. I'm uninclinded to eliminate any of the possibilities.
Tom
I agree there is something swimming beneath the surface here.

The Colourful Jester

Member
This just in. The January 6 Committee has subpeoaned these phone texts and Jones' lawyer has agreed to hand them over to the committee. This just keeps getting better.

If it really is a leak, could this be the reason?

Loony Running The Asylum
Staff member
This just in. The January 6 Committee has subpeoaned these phone texts and Jones' lawyer has agreed to hand them over to the committee. This just keeps getting better.

If it really is a leak, could this be the reason?
AJ has already been interviewed, pleaded the fifth more than one hundred times. It has now been found out he lied on his deposition to this court. If he made the same lies to the DOJ, he could be in some hot water. Volcanic, to say the least.

Cheerful Charlie

Contributor
If you remenber the last January 6 Committee hearings, cips of some very incendiary podcast exerpts from Jones were aired. Obviousy Jones was predicting some intense action at the capitol. He wasn't the only one. Bannon did the same. Mark Meadows told Cassidy Hutchinsonsome bad thing would happen. The Proud Boys and Oath Keepers came prepared to lead the assault on the Capitol. All of this suggests a lot of people knew this was a planned attack. His phone texts will likely shed a lot of light on who knew what and when. If Jones knew it was planned, and did not warn the right authorities, while posting highly inflammatory podcasts, that right there might be a serious conspiracy charge. That the lawyer who recieved these texts turned them over to the Committee suggest there is some damning content in some of these texts.

Gun Nut

Veteran Member
The youtube live chat during the damages amount hearing was enraging.
A horrid number of people drew on, "THIS IS THE END OF FREE SPEECH", and the like.
it's enraging because these same people wear shirts and shoes in restaurants... remove their shoes when traveling through an airport.. accept that fully automatic firearms are not protected under the constitution... and that our democracy is a representative one, not a "pure" one...
Yet, any accountability for speech is the "END OF FREE SPEECH".
Fucking morons
I suppose being held accountable for shooting them all in cold blood would be a violation of my right to bare arms.
I suppose my announcing to 100 million people that I have 1 billion dollars for anyone that murders a particular person (and here is where they live and where their children are during the day), is my first amendment right to speak freely.
Where they got the "speak freely WITHOUT ANY CONSEQUENCE FOR THE IMPACT" is completely beyond me.

James Brown

Veteran Member
Where they got the "speak freely WITHOUT ANY CONSEQUENCE FOR THE IMPACT" is completely beyond me.

From people like Alex Jones?

starwater

Veteran Member
The jury is currently deliberating on punitive damages

blastula

Contributor
The youtube live chat during the damages amount hearing was enraging.
A horrid number of people drew on, "THIS IS THE END OF FREE SPEECH", and the like.
it's enraging because these same people wear shirts and shoes in restaurants... remove their shoes when traveling through an airport.. accept that fully automatic firearms are not protected under the constitution... and that our democracy is a representative one, not a "pure" one...
Yet, any accountability for speech is the "END OF FREE SPEECH".
Fucking morons

Especially since they're the same people who deliriously cheered on Johnny Depp in his defamation trial.

jab

Veteran Member
Jones: “We got this judge up in Connecticut, if you could call it that — this thing that has just cheated us every way, lied about us, said we didn’t give them this, sanctioned us"
So you know what? I’m going to go up there so they can clap their irons on me, whatever, because at least I’m a grown man, I know God. I’m not like some kid in these leftist dungeons they’re raping. People got God to deal with, that’s all I can tell you. Oh, I’m not saying this judge or any of these lawyers are pedophiles. I’m just saying the news and the left promotes pedophilia while attacking the family, and the Democratic Party itself just signed an executive order that will destroy women’s sports. That’s what I said.
Ain't no rape like leftist dungeon rape.
didn't the right used to hold that women's sports were destroying the family and true, God-ordained femininity?

jab

Veteran Member
There was no "mistake" on the lawyers part, or whoever pushed the send button knew EXACTLY what they were doing.
How could you possibly know that?
Tom
The accidentally sent files included confidential medical files on Infowars employees, I believe--and to deliberately pass that along would be illegal, unlike passing along evidence of a crime given to you by a client. So, I think an accident is a more likely explanation for the dump.

blastula

Contributor
Apparently they sent a link to to a folder of files which included other folders they didn't intend to send.

They had been resisting discovery the whole time, very uncooperative over every little thing, which is why he ultimately lost by default.

TomC

Staff member

Loony Running The Asylum
Staff member
Roger Stone is imploring Jones' followers to send him money.

Loren Pechtel

Super Moderator
Staff member
fuck up like the defense did, and then try to sweep it under the carpet is well worth condemnation and parody.
Here's the thing.
To the best of my knowledge, nobody in the public knows what happened. The possibilities are huge. It may have been user error. It may have been an internal sabotage. It may have been an outside hack.

I still lean towards someone who wasn't willing to play along with hiding things that they were legally obligated to turn over.

Loren Pechtel

Super Moderator
Staff member
There was no "mistake" on the lawyers part, or whoever pushed the send button knew EXACTLY what they were doing.
How could you possibly know that?
Tom
The accidentally sent files included confidential medical files on Infowars employees, I believe--and to deliberately pass that along would be illegal, unlike passing along evidence of a crime given to you by a client. So, I think an accident is a more likely explanation for the dump.
Ok, that changes things. This is an oops, someone sent a higher level folder than they meant to.

TomC

Celestial Highness
fuck up like the defense did, and then try to sweep it under the carpet is well worth condemnation and parody.
Here's the thing.
To the best of my knowledge, nobody in the public knows what happened. The possibilities are huge. It may have been user error. It may have been an internal sabotage. It may have been an outside hack.

I still lean towards someone who wasn't willing to play along with hiding things that they were legally obligated to turn over.

It's not that I have any confidence that you're wrong. I'm just still with
I agree there is something swimming beneath the surface here.
Tom

Loony Running The Asylum
Staff member
There was no "mistake" on the lawyers part, or whoever pushed the send button knew EXACTLY what they were doing.
How could you possibly know that?
Tom
The accidentally sent files included confidential medical files on Infowars employees, I believe--and to deliberately pass that along would be illegal, unlike passing along evidence of a crime given to you by a client. So, I think an accident is a more likely explanation for the dump.
I don't think the medical files were on Infowars employees but on some of the kids that were killed.

Jarhyn

Wizard
There was no "mistake" on the lawyers part, or whoever pushed the send button knew EXACTLY what they were doing.
How could you possibly know that?
Tom
The accidentally sent files included confidential medical files on Infowars employees, I believe--and to deliberately pass that along would be illegal, unlike passing along evidence of a crime given to you by a client. So, I think an accident is a more likely explanation for the dump.
I don't think the medical files were on Infowars employees but on some of the kids that were killed.
Either way it makes me a little sad the full contents can never be released publicly.

Loony Running The Asylum
Staff member
There was no "mistake" on the lawyers part, or whoever pushed the send button knew EXACTLY what they were doing.
How could you possibly know that?
Tom
The accidentally sent files included confidential medical files on Infowars employees, I believe--and to deliberately pass that along would be illegal, unlike passing along evidence of a crime given to you by a client. So, I think an accident is a more likely explanation for the dump.
I don't think the medical files were on Infowars employees but on some of the kids that were killed.
Either way it makes me a little sad the full contents can never be released publicly.
I'd like to know how he got ahold of PMI.

Jarhyn

Wizard
There was no "mistake" on the lawyers part, or whoever pushed the send button knew EXACTLY what they were doing.
How could you possibly know that?
Tom
The accidentally sent files included confidential medical files on Infowars employees, I believe--and to deliberately pass that along would be illegal, unlike passing along evidence of a crime given to you by a client. So, I think an accident is a more likely explanation for the dump.
I don't think the medical files were on Infowars employees but on some of the kids that were killed.
Either way it makes me a little sad the full contents can never be released publicly.
I'd like to know how he got ahold of PMI.
I want to know how the FDA hasn't caught up with him AND the law firm(s?) About that whole encryption at rest thing...

Oleg

45.2 M punitive.
Appears Texas has a cap on punitive damages. Probably will only pay $750K of that. Cheerful Charlie Contributor In Seprember, a similar trial to assess damages against Jones is scheduled in Connecticut. Stay tuned! ZiprHead Loony Running The Asylum Staff member 45.2 M punitive. Appears Texas has a cap on punitive damages. Probably will only pay$750K of that.
It's my understanding the cap is 3 X actual, making it 12 million.

Loony Running The Asylum
Staff member
The Texas law “protects companies and bad actors like Alex Jones, so that they’re never going to be punished to the full extent that would be needed to truly deter them from future actions and to teach other people that this is bad behavior,” said Carrie Goldberg of the C.A. Goldberg Law Firm in New York. “Texas is unusual.”

The very purpose of punitive damages gets frustrated when there’s a cap, she said.

“We do not believe punitive damage caps are constitutional as applied to our case and will certainly litigate that issue if necessary,” Mark Bankston, one of the plaintiffs’ attorneys, told Bloomberg Law.
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/us-law...nitive-damages
The plaintiffs’ lawyers signaled they would fight any efforts to reduce the award, telling a Texas Monthly reporter that he believes the cap does not apply. Counsel also reportedly plan to challenge the constitutionality of the cap.

Mitchell Epner, a former federal prosecutor, media law expert and a partner at Rottenberg Lipman Rich PC, said the award “almost certainly” will be capped to twice the economic damages plus the non-economic damages, with a maximum of $750,000. The economic damages in this case were$110,000, which after doubling drives the punitive damages cap to $970,000, Epner said. https://lawandcrime.com/live-trials/...racy-theories/ Patooka Contributor 45.2 M punitive. Appears Texas has a cap on punitive damages. Probably will only pay$750K of that.
And it's still only the tip of the iceberg. Jones is facing a lawsuit in Connecticut as well. And if the DOJ find something interesting on his phone about Jan 6, Federal Marshals can seize it all. It's not unreasonable to think Jones is not walking away from this unscathed.

Cheerful Charlie

Contributor
I strongly suspect that in Connecticut Jones will have new lawyers.

TomC

Celestial Highness
I strongly suspect that in Connecticut Jones will have new lawyers.

Also,
More expensive.
Starting at the bottom of a deeper hole.
Facing a tougher audience.

<snigger>

I'm loving it, myself.
Tom

Cheerful Charlie

Contributor
Meanwhile in Connecticut, the lawyers for Jones have been summoned to proceedings considering sanctioning them for releasing medical records of plaintiffs.

TomC

Celestial Highness
Meanwhile in Connecticut, the lawyers for Jones have been summoned to proceedings considering sanctioning them for releasing medical records of plaintiffs.
Another interesting question is "How did they get the records?"

HIPPAA is federal law, I think.
I dunno.
Tom

Loren Pechtel

Super Moderator
Staff member
I don't think the medical files were on Infowars employees but on some of the kids that were killed.
Either way it makes me a little sad the full contents can never be released publicly.
I'd like to know how he got ahold of PMI.
Discovery--for establishing the future earnings. It doesn't surprise me that they had such records.

Staff member
45.2 M punitive.
Appears Texas has a cap on punitive damages. Probably will only pay $750K of that. It's my understanding the cap is 3 X actual, making it 12 million. I think it's even less in Texas. Some lawyers are saying that since the events causing this action didn't happen in Texas the Texas limits don't apply. Oleg Me 45.2 M punitive. Appears Texas has a cap on punitive damages. Probably will only pay$750K of that.
It's my understanding the cap is 3 X actual, making it 12 million.
I think it's even less in Texas.
Some lawyers are saying that since the events causing this action didn't happen in Texas the Texas limits don't apply.
They chose Texas tort law to sue him. Kinda stuck with that. The only alternative is to say somehow Connecticut law applies. But that has an even tighter cap than Texas.

Loony Running The Asylum
Staff member
An expose on Jones early life. Apparently he's always been a bully.

Gospel

Unify Africa
I'd rather spend my time reading the bible.

Loony Running The Asylum
Staff member
Alex Jones had kiddie porn on his phone and he sent a nude photo of his wife to Roger Stone.

Wutta slime bag.

TomC

Celestial Highness
Alex Jones had kiddie porn on his phone and he sent a nude photo of his wife to Roger Stone.

Wutta slime bag.

I've no more sympathy for Jones than the McMichaels. But shouldn't this post have begun with "It is reported..."?
Tom

Jimmy Higgins

Contributor
An expose on Jones early life. Apparently he's always been a bully.

To think, the amount of time wasted at this web board for 9/11 CT because of that guy. We should sue! Maybe get back a few grand for our time.