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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

The town-hall video was on facebook.com at RepAOC - Nov 6 evening NYC time

A staffer had some cards for showing how much time one has left to speak: 1 min, 30 sec

AOC started with mentioning the impeachment resolution in Congress, and her audience cheered. She considered it a "somber moment", but she understood the pressures that many people face from the Trump Admin -- and how we have a prospect of an end.

The housing part of her Just Society package was inspired by some reforms made this year in New York State. Offering benefits to ex-cons is a good way of helping them re-enter the mainstream of society. Ratifying the UN Covenant on Economic, Social, and Cultural Rights would help get the US up to date, and she mentioned the importance of international cooperation. Isolationism makes for international weakness.

She appreciated that the mayors in the Copenhagen C40 conference agreed on a global Green New Deal. She thinks that it's the industrialized nations that will have to lead the way, and she conceded that it'll be necessary to work with China and India and other big emitters. She also said that it's important to enable developing nations to have economic development that is also low in carbon emissions.

Then universal basic income - $1K/mo - she doesn't like the idea of it as replacement for other welfare-state stuff and she thinks that it can coexist with a universal jobs guarantee. She notes that a UBI can be useful for someone in no position to do much work. She then mentions Richard Nixon talking about UBI, and how things that some Republicans proposed a half century ago would not get them called "radical leftist Democrats".

Brigid Bergin on Twitter: "At her BX town hall, @AOC takes a Q about whether she supports universal basic income (UBI). She does not support @AndrewYang's $1000 a mo policy, calling it a regressive approach that's a "Trojan horse to gut the social safety net." But she's open to other UBI policies." / Twitter

It's her questioner who mentioned Andrew Yang as proposing "libertarian bullshit".

She defends Medicare for All single-payer insurance as making possible economies of scale. Someone then asked about facial-recognition technology, and she considered it a sort of unauthorized search.

Then gentrification and how it pushes out long-time residents. And, of course, Amazon. Those promised jobs won't be for local people, she seemed to claim, and that 25,000 figure came from an Amazon press release. What she didn't like was Amazon demanding big tax breaks and other giveaways. As it turned out, Amazon didn't need big tax breaks to move to NYC. A Virginia town accepted HQ2 and its rents are going up. Then all the vacant luxury apartments in the Upper East Side of Manhattan being used as investments - about half of them. She talks to Carolyn Maloney, a Rep from there and nearby Queens.

AOC's next legislation will be some Green New Deal housing legislation, something to come out next month.

She criticizes Tucker Carlson's claim that she's anti-police, saying that people shouldn't be criminalized for not having $2.75 - she calls her stance an anti-poverty one.

Getting to student loans, she notes that she has $20,000 to go on them, and that she has cosponsored some bills to forgive them. She also notes that forgiving them is less expensive than tax cuts for billionaires and the like, and also that paying back big student loans interferes with big purchases like houses and cars. She didn't mention another one: having children.

She also thinks that tuition-free public colleges are also a necessity, to avoid repeating this big-debt problem.

About Venezuela and Honduras and the like, she thinks that US foreign policy in Latin America has been a bad-neighbor sort of policy, ignoring the region except when there is some trouble somewhere.

She thinks that some kinds of sanctions are good, like the Magnitsky Act targeting oligarchs, but that others are bad, like blanket sanctions.


I must say that I often find her positions VERY sensible, and a nice contrast to the more annoying ideological sorts of positions that I often see on the Left.


After the event, some people took pictures with her, though we saw some of that in the News-12 story. She tilted her head in one of them as she posed with someone.
 
Here are AOC's sponsored bills and resolutions:

H.Res.109 - 116th Congress (2019-2020): Recognizing the duty of the Federal Government to create a Green New Deal. | Congress.gov | Library of Congress - Cosponsors: 95
S.J.Res.8 - 116th Congress (2019-2020): A joint resolution recognizing the duty of the Federal Government to create a Green New Deal. | Congress.gov | Library of Congress - Sen. Mitch McConnell - Voted down, Democrats boycotted the vote
S.Res.59 - 116th Congress (2019-2020): A resolution recognizing the duty of the Federal Government to create a Green New Deal. | Congress.gov | Library of Congress - Sen. Ed Markey - Cosponsors: 14

Cap on 15% annually of interest rates on loans:
H.R.2930 - 116th Congress (2019-2020): Loan Shark Prevention Act | Congress.gov | Library of Congress - Cosponsors: 8
S.1389 - 116th Congress (2019-2020): Loan Shark Prevention Act | Congress.gov | Library of Congress - Sen. Bernie Sanders - Cosponsors: 1

Harris, AOC push bill giving ex-cons shot at federal housing | The Sacramento Bee - the bill itself is almost impenetrable
H.R.3685 - 116th Congress (2019-2020): Fair Chance at Housing Act of 2018 | Congress.gov | Library of Congress - Cosponsors: 8
S.2076 - 116th Congress (2019-2020): Fair Chance at Housing Act of 2019 | Congress.gov | Library of Congress - Sen. Kamala Harris - Cosponsors: 1

That the Senate should ratify it:
H.Res.666 - 116th Congress (2019-2020): Expressing the sense of the House of Representatives on the ratification of the United Nations Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights. | Congress.gov | Library of Congress - Cosponsors: 5

That's the only part of her Just Society package that's gotten out so far. There's a Climate Equity bill that AOC and Kamala Harris have been working on - it hasn't gotten out.
 
Rep. Ocasio-Cortez On The Democratic Party, Green New Deal, 2020 Candidates | MTP Daily | MSNBC - YouTube - AOC acknowledges her multiracial ancestry: white, black, Indigenous (American Indian / Native American / First Nation) - also lots of political strategy and how a business can be "socialist" - a worker cooperative, for instance. She doesn't think that governments should try to do everything and that there are things that the private sector does better, like consumer goods.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is the intersectional remix of Latino roots and socialist politics - The Lily
With her own hybrid of intense neighborhood canvassing and digital engagement — on social media and in several millennial-focused online publications — Ocasio-Cortez is fusing identity politics with class politics. “I can’t name a single issue with roots in race that doesn’t have economic implications, and I cannot think of a single economic issue that doesn’t have racial implications,” she told the magazine the Nation last week. “The idea that we have to separate them out and choose one is a con.”

Bristling at complaints from her opponent Crowley that she emphasized her Puerto Rican roots, “making this about race,” she accused him of maintaining only a token presence in the district and said his children were schooled in Northern Virginia. She made the connection between racial and ethnic background and not having access to the generational wealth that makes running for office easier. Although Puerto Ricans have been American citizens since 1917 and therefore avoid the naturalization process and its perils, Ocasio-Cortez bonded strongly with the Mexicans, Central Americans and South Americans in her district.
Puerto Rico she calls an American colony.

There is a story in the Boston Globe about how a Trump fan ended up a vegan AOC fan as a result of an "unsettling experience", but the Globe is completely paywalled.
 
That's a real problem these days. Which news media ain't biased?
"Lying" isn't bias.

There are different types of media.

NPR: Slight left-wing bias. Reports are thorough and true. News coverage is great.
CNN/MSNBC: Left-wing or apparent left-wing bias. Reports are generally true. News coverage is accurate.
Fox News: Notable right-wing bias. Commentary wanders into fiction often. News coverage is generally accurate, if not spun a little.
Trump Media (Breitbart, Newsmax): Hardcore right-wing bias. Commentary is right-wing fan fiction. News coverage is laughable and untrustworthy.
 
That's a real problem these days. Which news media ain't biased?
"Lying" isn't bias.

There are different types of media.

NPR: Slight left-wing bias. Reports are thorough and true. News coverage is great.
CNN/MSNBC: Left-wing or apparent left-wing bias. Reports are generally true. News coverage is accurate.
Fox News: Notable right-wing bias. Commentary wanders into fiction often. News coverage is generally accurate, if not spun a little.
Trump Media (Breitbart, Newsmax): Hardcore right-wing bias. Commentary is right-wing fan fiction. News coverage is laughable and untrustworthy.

You might consider Breitbart laughable. But they are pretty much the only media that is independent now.

When it comes to lying or bias I like to follow the money:
NPR is heavily financed by the Koch Brothers now https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/koch-brothers-buy-npr/

In truth, no newscast can be impartial. To try to say otherwise is just a complete delusion on your part.
 
That's a real problem these days. Which news media ain't biased?
"Lying" isn't bias.

There are different types of media.

NPR: Slight left-wing bias. Reports are thorough and true. News coverage is great.
CNN/MSNBC: Left-wing or apparent left-wing bias. Reports are generally true. News coverage is accurate.
Fox News: Notable right-wing bias. Commentary wanders into fiction often. News coverage is generally accurate, if not spun a little.
Trump Media (Breitbart, Newsmax): Hardcore right-wing bias. Commentary is right-wing fan fiction. News coverage is laughable and untrustworthy.

You might consider Breitbart laughable. But they are pretty much the only media that is independent now.

When it comes to lying or bias I like to follow the money:
NPR is heavily financed by the Koch Brothers now https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/koch-brothers-buy-npr/

In truth, no newscast can be impartial. To try to say otherwise is just a complete delusion on your part.

You might want to read the articles you source first to see if they prove your point:

from the link said:
Facebook group Vocal Progressives posted the meme displayed above to its page without corroborating information or news links...

"the claim regarding NPR and the Kochs is of dubious origin"

"Three days after the original Inside Climate News article was published, an unrelated article involving the Koch brothers and NPR appeared in a different publication. Titled “Did You Hear the Koch Brothers Just Gave a Million Bucks to NPR to Cover Healthcare?”, that piece was deliberately misleading in its frame: It opened by explaining the million dollar Koch donation hadn’t happened"

"At that time NPR confirmed that while critics believed David and Charles Koch were NPR donors, there was no record of the Koch brothers of having made any donation (large or small) to NPR,"

Seriously, you blew up your own argument. Also Breitbart being "independent" doesn't make it a news outlet. It doesn't do any investigative journalism of its own, and relies heavily on "mainstream" media reporting the news before it can provide its own spin on the story. Relying on mainstream media for your business model to function whilst bemoaning on the evils of mainstream media isn't what I would call independent. The word you are looking for is parasitic.
 
That's a real problem these days. Which news media ain't biased?
"Lying" isn't bias.

There are different types of media.

NPR: Slight left-wing bias. Reports are thorough and true. News coverage is great.
CNN/MSNBC: Left-wing or apparent left-wing bias. Reports are generally true. News coverage is accurate.
Fox News: Notable right-wing bias. Commentary wanders into fiction often. News coverage is generally accurate, if not spun a little.
Trump Media (Breitbart, Newsmax): Hardcore right-wing bias. Commentary is right-wing fan fiction. News coverage is laughable and untrustworthy.

You might consider Breitbart laughable.
That it considers itself a news source is laughable as their reporting is a crock. Otherwise, there is little funny about a website that people believe is true.
But they are pretty much the only media that is independent now.
Yeah, that is the frightening thought as it couldn't possibly be any more false. Listen to NPR commentary programs and you'll hear the best of the conservatives discussing their positions.

When it comes to lying or bias I like to follow the money:
NPR is heavily financed by the Koch Brothers now https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/koch-brothers-buy-npr/
Well, this is usually a good piece of evidence that NPR isn't biased, as you felt it necessary to whip out a red herring instead of providing a shred of evidence of NPR's bias.
In truth, no newscast can be impartial. To try to say otherwise is just a complete delusion on your part.
This is just a smokescreen. There are clearly news sources out there with agendas. And when one suggests they think Breitbart is independent, they are exposing that they couldn't tell bias from a hole in the wall.

Breitbart is currently reporting the "identity" of the Whistleblower of which their own article indicates it is a theory... and they step it back even further by planting on the origin of the alleged theory. They are a crap site.
 
“The people that are producing climate change, the folks that are responsible for the largest amount of emissions, or communities, or corporations, they tend to be predominantly white, correct?” the congresswoman asked during her attacks on the companies, blaming them for the losses of “predominantly black and brown lives” in storms and hurricanes.

“My own grandfather died in the aftermath of [2017’s] Hurricane Maria. We can’t act as though the inertia and history of colonization doesn’t play a role in this,” she added.

...
“Yes, and every study backs that up I know no one is intentionally trying to kill people and hurt people,” National Wildlife Federation’s Mustafa Ali said in response.
Even if it is not deliberate, it may be a question of who gets considered worth spending resources on. Like in 2017, hurricanes hit Texas and Florida, and the official response for them was much better than for Puerto Rico. Conservatives put aside their rhetoric about fiscal responsibility and self-reliance and personal responsibility when it came to Texas and Florida.

I myself don't like making a racial or ethnic issue out of it unless there is good reason to do so, and IMO that is the case for Puerto Rico vs. Texas and Florida. From Trump's statements, one gets the impression that Puerto Ricans deserved to be punished for their sins - he was very grudging about assistance to Puerto Rico.

About Superstorm Sandy in 2012, many Republicans did not like the idea of aiding New York City, making a big fuss out of self-reliance and personal responsibility and the evil of depending on government - stuff that they forget about when it's their states that get hit.

But there were likely ethnic and racial issues there also, like many Republicans' stereotypes of Democrats as the party of non-honky takers.

“Let’s talk about the massive violation of civil liberties that will occur if we do as Elizabeth Warren has said, and ban fracking. Let’s crush the American economy and crush the jobs not only in Texas but around the United States, and ban fracking in a fit of hysteria, undermining the very civil liberties of the Americans that depend on that affordable and available abundant energy,” Rep. Chip Roy said in response, also previously mentioning that the deadliest hurricane that North America has ever seen still remains the Great Galveston Storm, with estimated losses between 6,000 and 12,000 people in the 1900’s, also adding that this was an event way before climate change was a topic of discussion.
That was the  1900 Galveston hurricane - having to go back more than a century is desperation.

The hurricane left between 6,000 and 12,000 fatalities in the United States; the number most cited in official reports is 8,000. Most of these deaths occurred in and near Galveston, Texas, after storm surge inundated the coastline with 8 to 12 ft (2.4 to 3.7 m) of water. In addition to the number killed, the storm destroyed about 7,000 buildings of all uses in Galveston, which included 3,636 destroyed homes; every dwelling in the city suffered some degree of damage. The hurricane left approximately 10,000 people in the city homeless, out of a total population of nearly 38,000.
"... the system peaked as a Category 4 hurricane with maximum sustained winds of 145 mph (230 km/h) on September 8" the day before landfall near Galveston.
 
Even if it is not deliberate, it may be a question of who gets considered worth spending resources on. Like in 2017, hurricanes hit Texas and Florida, and the official response for them was much better than for Puerto Rico.
Well, they are actual states. Residents of which pay federal taxes. PR expects the same federal services (like disaster management) as states, but for free.

I myself don't like making a racial or ethnic issue out of it unless there is good reason to do so, and IMO that is the case for Puerto Rico vs. Texas and Florida. From Trump's statements, one gets the impression that Puerto Ricans deserved to be punished for their sins - he was very grudging about assistance to Puerto Rico.
The difference is state vs. not a state. Paying federal taxes vs. being exempt.

But there were likely ethnic and racial issues there also,
Unlikely. The only color it has to do with is red vs. blue. After all, Florida and Texas have many non-whites.

That was the  1900 Galveston hurricane - having to go back more than a century is desperation.
Not desperation, just a realization that major hurricanes have occurred in the past as well, and that blaming climate change for individual storms is not valid.

He is also right about fracking. Warren's position on it is stupid.
 
Then gentrification and how it pushes out long-time residents.
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"Gentrification" is a bete noire of leftists, especially the race warrior type.
Gentrification is simply neighborhoods becoming better, which increases the cost of living, which in turn might cause some people to leave.
But what is the remedy? Rent control has its own major problems.

And, of course, Amazon. Those promised jobs won't be for local people, she seemed to claim, and that 25,000 figure came from an Amazon press release.
It's a headquarters, not a warehouse, so indeed most jobs would be of the professional kind. But is that a bad thing? And many Amazon employees might move to the neighborhoods close to the HQ, thus becoming locals. But gentrification is bad, m-kay.

What she didn't like was Amazon demanding big tax breaks and other giveaways.
She is kind of right there. The arms race of incentives is quite distasteful. But she is wrong that an Amazon HQ would not have helped Queens.

Then all the vacant luxury apartments in the Upper East Side of Manhattan being used as investments - about half of them.
If they are vacant (and not being rented) they are not so much investments, but speculative holdings.
But what is her solution? Expropriation and letting "working class" people live in them for free?

AOC's next legislation will be some Green New Deal housing legislation, something to come out next month.
What does "housing legislation" have to do with climate change or environmental policy?

She criticizes Tucker Carlson's claim that she's anti-police, saying that people shouldn't be criminalized for not having $2.75 - she calls her stance an anti-poverty one.
She is certainly anti-police - you do not support "fuck the police" protests if you are not anti-police!
And I call BS on not being able to afford $2.75. I want to see what kind of sneakers the fare jumpers are wearing and what kind of iPhones they have in their pocket. Also, their monthly weed and booze budget. But sure, they feel entitled to ride the subway for free and play law-abiding citizens of NYC for suckers.

Getting to student loans, she notes that she has $20,000 to go on them, and that she has cosponsored some bills to forgive them.
Why exactly should the taxpayers forgive student loans for somebody who just had to go to that private university racking up six figure student loans? Especially if they got their degree in art history or something.

She also notes that forgiving them is less expensive than tax cuts for billionaires and the like, and also that paying back big student loans interferes with big purchases like houses and cars. She didn't mention another one: having children.
Just because tax cuts for billionaires might be a bad idea, does not mean forgiving most student loans is a good idea. Her argument is a non-sequitur.

She also thinks that tuition-free public colleges are also a necessity, to avoid repeating this big-debt problem.
The big-debt problem is mostly for private universities. Public ones have much lower tuition, plus there are need-based programs such as Pell grants.

Comparing US colleges to say German universities (that have free tuition), you will find
a) a lot fewer people go to university.
b) the campuses have a lot fewer frills due to smaller budgets

Just having the federal government pay for the current system of colleges and universities, where you can major in underwater basket weaving while taking remedial (0097, 0098) Math and English is not a solution. The whole system would have to be redone on a more fundamental level.

About Venezuela and Honduras and the like, she thinks that US foreign policy in Latin America has been a bad-neighbor sort of policy, ignoring the region except when there is some trouble somewhere.
It's all US fault.

After the event, some people took pictures with her, though we saw some of that in the News-12 story. She tilted her head in one of them as she posed with someone.

Cult of Personality
 
That's a real problem these days. Which news media ain't biased?

Things like AP and Reuters.

Anyway, the problem here is more than bias, these days the GOP "news" sources are very often simply making things up.

Besides, she did say what that article reports!

That's what I'm asking for evidence of.
 
That's a real problem these days. Which news media ain't biased?
"Lying" isn't bias.

There are different types of media.

NPR: Slight left-wing bias. Reports are thorough and true. News coverage is great.
CNN/MSNBC: Left-wing or apparent left-wing bias. Reports are generally true. News coverage is accurate.
Fox News: Notable right-wing bias. Commentary wanders into fiction often. News coverage is generally accurate, if not spun a little.
Trump Media (Breitbart, Newsmax): Hardcore right-wing bias. Commentary is right-wing fan fiction. News coverage is laughable and untrustworthy.

The editorials in many news medias may be biased according to it's leanings, but news stories of what actually happened cannot be made up. For example. " some people did something on 9/11 " cannot hide the fact that Islamists brought down the Twin Towers.
 
That's a real problem these days. Which news media ain't biased?
"Lying" isn't bias.

There are different types of media.

NPR: Slight left-wing bias. Reports are thorough and true. News coverage is great.
CNN/MSNBC: Left-wing or apparent left-wing bias. Reports are generally true. News coverage is accurate.
Fox News: Notable right-wing bias. Commentary wanders into fiction often. News coverage is generally accurate, if not spun a little.
Trump Media (Breitbart, Newsmax): Hardcore right-wing bias. Commentary is right-wing fan fiction. News coverage is laughable and untrustworthy.

The editorials in many news medias may be biased according to it's leanings, but news stories of what actually happened cannot be made up. For example. " some people did something on 9/11 " cannot hide the fact that Islamists brought down the Twin Towers.

Nor can that hide the fact that America absolutely deserved it
 
The editorials in many news medias may be biased according to it's leanings, but news stories of what actually happened cannot be made up. For example. " some people did something on 9/11 " cannot hide the fact that Islamists brought down the Twin Towers.

Nor can that hide the fact that America absolutely deserved it

3000 American citizens deserved to die because the Saudi government allowed the US to put an air base on Saudi soil?
 
The editorials in many news medias may be biased according to it's leanings, but news stories of what actually happened cannot be made up. For example. " some people did something on 9/11 " cannot hide the fact that Islamists brought down the Twin Towers.
Nor can that hide the fact that America absolutely deserved it
3000 American citizens deserved to die because the Saudi government allowed the US to put an air base on Saudi soil?
That's what I don't like about Chomskyism, how it portrays the United States as the uniquely villainous imperialist nation.

AOC has been Instagramming her visit to some Bernie Sanders rallies: https://www.instagram.com/ocasio2018

She shows herself going door to door, visiting people, backstage, etc.

AOC's first paid job was at an Irish pub - Alexandria O'Casio?

She also shows some wind turbines as she travels - she notes that they produce some 30% of Iowa's electricity, and that her Green New Deal involves building much more of them and solar panels and the like.
 
The editorials in many news medias may be biased according to it's leanings, but news stories of what actually happened cannot be made up. For example. " some people did something on 9/11 " cannot hide the fact that Islamists brought down the Twin Towers.

Nor can that hide the fact that America absolutely deserved it

That's a typical self loathing, anti American, anti Democracy statement. I'l bet you look at a socialist Venezuela, Cuba and many other socialist shitholes with wishful fondness and wish the same for the USA.
 
LIVE AOC talks Trump Impeachment & warns America on Trump Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez - YouTube - at that high school where she had a town-hall meeting. She said that voting rights mean not only casting a ballot but not waiting too long and staying on the voter rolls. About her opposition, she says that she wants to "kick ass" and do a very good job. She has continued to refuse to take corporate money or meet with corporate lobbyists.

About Trump, he had done lots of bad things, and different bad things may especially irk different people. This year has been VERY eventful for her, more like 5 years. About the wide open race in NY-15, she thinks that it's too early to make endorsements. Facebook's management is way over their heads. Then the Amazon deal, which she disliked as a giveaway.


Andrew Kimmel on Twitter: "Nearly 3,200 people tuning into @aoc live at 1am as she talks about student debt. https://t.co/FfAnnsV5Rl" / Twitter
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Talks About “Okay, Boomer?”. - YouTube

Referring how many young adults consider themselves screwed over by the older generations. Like be saddled with a lot of student debt. Boomer-era responses like "If you didn't eat so much avocado toast, you'd be able to afford a mortgage" don't capture the reality of the situation. So younger generations will want to fix things by themselves, and oldsters complain that they are the ones getting screwed over. AOC acknowledges that there are elders who have been fighting for the right thing for a long, long time. Like Bernie Sanders.

Then the sort of person who says that college cost only $500 or $2000 per semester and that they could work their way through college with a nowadays $10/hour job. Tuition being upwards of $30,000 they ignore - eating $30,000 worth of avocado toast?


The full video:
AOC 11-9-2019 Instagram Livestream - YouTube
Driving from Coralville to Des Moines, IA

In Iowa, the people that she found were very nice and friendly, something that New Yorkers could learn from. In the Bronx, sort of like "I don't want to change my religion, I don't want to change my cable TV, get away from me". Then on Sen. Sanders on forgiving student loan debt - how affordable it is in comparison to other bits of government spending that nobody objects to. She then reads off some of her viewers' debt values. $45,000, $150,000, $220,000, etc. AOC wanted to get a master's in economics or law or public health, but she couldn't afford it. This sort of thing is setting up our economy to fail, by discouraging higher education.

As to talking to conservative family or friends, one won't convince them in one conversation, but over a large number of them. She prefers to learn about how other people think, even if they reach different conclusions. Corbin mentioned the widespread belief that "the government" is fundamentally separate from them, and Rebecca likes to seek common ground. She recalled conversing with someone in a motorized wheelchair, and trying to find common ground, despite preferring different presidential candidates.

Then in the Iowa caucuses, one's second choice matters, and NYC recently voted in ranked-choice voting. But an alarm then went off, obscuring what she had to say. I can't read lips. Then what she said in that other video capture about student loans.

Why Bloomberg entered the race so late. To keep his taxes from going up - he may have decided that it's cheaper to run for President than to pay a 2% wealth tax. Then his writing off early-primary states. Then how legitimate it is to be a billionaire when lots of people are homeless. Especially when relying on government handouts like helipads, underpaying one's workers, crashing the economy, ... if everybody was well-off, she thinks that billionaires wouldn't be much of a problem. She claims that health and life expectancy have been going *down*.
 
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