lpetrich
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I decided to look at the second debate more closely.
AOC Faces Two Challengers in Congressional Primary Debate
NY-14 Debate on NY1 - Michelle Caruso-Cabrera Debates AOC - YouTube Moderator: Errol Louis
MCC: about unity, as opposed to AOC being divisive and polarizing. BK seemed much like AOC.
MCC claimed that she would work with Nancy Pelosi, unlike AOC. She claimed that AOC is MIA. AOC responded by proposing ending qualified immunity, transfer of military hardware to police departments, reducing the NYPD budget. She attended 200 events in the district and held 17 town halls, arranged for 235,000 check-in calls, delivered 3,000 grocery bags of donations with a week's worth of food each, 10's of 1000's of masks to local hospitals. BK wanted to eliminate 51a, to reveal cops' disciplinary records, improve cops' training. BK noted that MCC's book wants to eliminate Medicare, and that Larry Kudlow, in the book, is Trump's economic adviser.
Banning chokeholds and the like? All three agreed. MCC talked about delivering aid and she attacked AOC for voting no on the CARES ACT aid bill. AOC responded that she indeed voted for some aid bills, and she said that the CARES Act has some big flaws, like keeping some immigrants from receiving aid, and having lots of big-business giveaways. She stated that small businesspeople have complained about it, that it was not ready for prime time. She also stated that she read that bill -- something that legislators ought to do -- and she looked for lobbyist goodies in it.
If AOC's vote had been the deciding one, she would have negotiated in advance for improvements in it, and likely ended up supporting it. Meaning that she had cast a protest vote. The moderator turned to MCC, asking her if she would have voted against the bill with its carve-outs of her constituents. She said she wouldn't, but she returned to denouncing AOC for voting against hospitals and the like. She claimed that AOC is claiming that she is the only Democrat who cares -- an insult to every other Democrat. She repeated her claim that AOC is divisive. Then the moderator asked BK if she would have voted for such a flawed bill. She wouldn't. Thus agreeing with AOC.
BK protested AOC's insinuation that she receives big money. AOC noted that that was in an ad that said "candidates" (plural), and she apologized for insinuating that BK receives big money, and she praised BK for running a grassroots campaign. She seems very magnanimous about that, though she spoke of MCC's "reprehensible" support. The new "deplorable"? MCC got very sore about that.
MCC asked AOC why she opposed the Amazon HQ2 deal, and AOC pointed to rents going up in VA before HQ2 opened. She then criticized "huge subsidy boondoggle deals" like Foxconn in WI, then asked where the numbers are coming from. She asked why doesn't $3B in subsidies go to small businesses rather than to Jeff Bezos?
BK about closing of Rikers Island - where to the violent criminals go? Other jails are overcrowded. AOC said that she's concerned about opening 5 new jails, one per borough. AOC asked BK about standardized testing and "teaching to the test". BK wanted more funding, but otherwise wasn't very clear.
Then a lightning round of questions. NY Presidential primary? MCC: unnecessary, BK: yes, AOC: yes. Support Nancy Pelosi as speaker? AOC: maybe -- yes -- if she wants it, BK: yes, MCC: "enthusiastically yes". NYPD in NYC's public schools? MCC: when it's necessary, BK: yes, AOC: size of the Boston Police Dept, not at the present level. Raise taxes for income >$500K/yr? AOC: yes, BK: definitely, MCC: no, because of "existential threat". Social media censor content? MCC: yes, BK: yes, AOC: carefully, yes. Looting -- jail? AOC: tries to be an abolitionist, believes in restorative justice, case-by-case basis, BK: probation, what kind of crime, MCC: case-by-case. Safe to ride city subways? MCC: Mask, social distancing, yes, BK: yes, AOC: understands feeling unsafe, but yes. Last social thing before social distancing? AOC: no social life in 2 years, cooks herself dinner (laughing), BK: getting petition signatures (laughs), MCC: same here. Democrats in-person convention? MCC: only with social distancing, BK: a virtual one would be great (laughs), AOC: we don't now have the tracing and contact tracing now, but if that changes, then yes.
The moderator alternated between MCC,BK,AOC and AOC,BK,MCC.
Then Medicare for All, Obamacare, and other possibilities. MCC: claims to support MC and SS, despite her book. M4A takes away medical insurance that some people like, like what labor unions negotiated, and she prefers Obamacare - the more choice the better, different pricing, different service levels, you name it. She then claimed that her contrary statements were from >10 years ago - her book - and "taken wildly out of context." BK: Joe Biden and a public option. AOC: healthcare is a human right, and we shouldn't support anything that lets millions of Americans go uninsured. She spoke of "the fallacy" of employer-dependent health insurance. Also of "the mythology" that unions are against M4A. She claims that many unions are, listing some of them. AOC then claimed that MCC was a registered Republican her whole life, and MCC claimed that she changed to Democrat in 2015, and that AOC only became one in 2016. But AOC phonebanked for Barack Obama and interned for Teddy Kennedy in her college years. Then BK noted that MCC moved into NY-14 to run against AOC. AOC claimed to be good at building coalitions, as opposed to being divisive. MCC claimed to be a Joe Biden supporter.
Then public housing. Need a lot of money from the FedGov to fix it. $29B, >$40B etc. AOC: "working my butt off" to get a Dem Pres, House, Senate. BK: more affordable housing. MCC: FedGov abandonment of NYCHA is horrible. AOC is divisive. Bragged about her support of JB and the party leadership. AOC is MIA. AOC: her GND for public housing was drafted with the help of NYCHA residents.
MCC seemed like she was trying to suck up to the Democratic leadership, especially NP. BK seemed rather close to AOC in positions.
AOC Faces Two Challengers in Congressional Primary Debate
NY-14 Debate on NY1 - Michelle Caruso-Cabrera Debates AOC - YouTube Moderator: Errol Louis
MCC: about unity, as opposed to AOC being divisive and polarizing. BK seemed much like AOC.
MCC claimed that she would work with Nancy Pelosi, unlike AOC. She claimed that AOC is MIA. AOC responded by proposing ending qualified immunity, transfer of military hardware to police departments, reducing the NYPD budget. She attended 200 events in the district and held 17 town halls, arranged for 235,000 check-in calls, delivered 3,000 grocery bags of donations with a week's worth of food each, 10's of 1000's of masks to local hospitals. BK wanted to eliminate 51a, to reveal cops' disciplinary records, improve cops' training. BK noted that MCC's book wants to eliminate Medicare, and that Larry Kudlow, in the book, is Trump's economic adviser.
Banning chokeholds and the like? All three agreed. MCC talked about delivering aid and she attacked AOC for voting no on the CARES ACT aid bill. AOC responded that she indeed voted for some aid bills, and she said that the CARES Act has some big flaws, like keeping some immigrants from receiving aid, and having lots of big-business giveaways. She stated that small businesspeople have complained about it, that it was not ready for prime time. She also stated that she read that bill -- something that legislators ought to do -- and she looked for lobbyist goodies in it.
If AOC's vote had been the deciding one, she would have negotiated in advance for improvements in it, and likely ended up supporting it. Meaning that she had cast a protest vote. The moderator turned to MCC, asking her if she would have voted against the bill with its carve-outs of her constituents. She said she wouldn't, but she returned to denouncing AOC for voting against hospitals and the like. She claimed that AOC is claiming that she is the only Democrat who cares -- an insult to every other Democrat. She repeated her claim that AOC is divisive. Then the moderator asked BK if she would have voted for such a flawed bill. She wouldn't. Thus agreeing with AOC.
BK protested AOC's insinuation that she receives big money. AOC noted that that was in an ad that said "candidates" (plural), and she apologized for insinuating that BK receives big money, and she praised BK for running a grassroots campaign. She seems very magnanimous about that, though she spoke of MCC's "reprehensible" support. The new "deplorable"? MCC got very sore about that.
MCC asked AOC why she opposed the Amazon HQ2 deal, and AOC pointed to rents going up in VA before HQ2 opened. She then criticized "huge subsidy boondoggle deals" like Foxconn in WI, then asked where the numbers are coming from. She asked why doesn't $3B in subsidies go to small businesses rather than to Jeff Bezos?
BK about closing of Rikers Island - where to the violent criminals go? Other jails are overcrowded. AOC said that she's concerned about opening 5 new jails, one per borough. AOC asked BK about standardized testing and "teaching to the test". BK wanted more funding, but otherwise wasn't very clear.
Then a lightning round of questions. NY Presidential primary? MCC: unnecessary, BK: yes, AOC: yes. Support Nancy Pelosi as speaker? AOC: maybe -- yes -- if she wants it, BK: yes, MCC: "enthusiastically yes". NYPD in NYC's public schools? MCC: when it's necessary, BK: yes, AOC: size of the Boston Police Dept, not at the present level. Raise taxes for income >$500K/yr? AOC: yes, BK: definitely, MCC: no, because of "existential threat". Social media censor content? MCC: yes, BK: yes, AOC: carefully, yes. Looting -- jail? AOC: tries to be an abolitionist, believes in restorative justice, case-by-case basis, BK: probation, what kind of crime, MCC: case-by-case. Safe to ride city subways? MCC: Mask, social distancing, yes, BK: yes, AOC: understands feeling unsafe, but yes. Last social thing before social distancing? AOC: no social life in 2 years, cooks herself dinner (laughing), BK: getting petition signatures (laughs), MCC: same here. Democrats in-person convention? MCC: only with social distancing, BK: a virtual one would be great (laughs), AOC: we don't now have the tracing and contact tracing now, but if that changes, then yes.
The moderator alternated between MCC,BK,AOC and AOC,BK,MCC.
Then Medicare for All, Obamacare, and other possibilities. MCC: claims to support MC and SS, despite her book. M4A takes away medical insurance that some people like, like what labor unions negotiated, and she prefers Obamacare - the more choice the better, different pricing, different service levels, you name it. She then claimed that her contrary statements were from >10 years ago - her book - and "taken wildly out of context." BK: Joe Biden and a public option. AOC: healthcare is a human right, and we shouldn't support anything that lets millions of Americans go uninsured. She spoke of "the fallacy" of employer-dependent health insurance. Also of "the mythology" that unions are against M4A. She claims that many unions are, listing some of them. AOC then claimed that MCC was a registered Republican her whole life, and MCC claimed that she changed to Democrat in 2015, and that AOC only became one in 2016. But AOC phonebanked for Barack Obama and interned for Teddy Kennedy in her college years. Then BK noted that MCC moved into NY-14 to run against AOC. AOC claimed to be good at building coalitions, as opposed to being divisive. MCC claimed to be a Joe Biden supporter.
Then public housing. Need a lot of money from the FedGov to fix it. $29B, >$40B etc. AOC: "working my butt off" to get a Dem Pres, House, Senate. BK: more affordable housing. MCC: FedGov abandonment of NYCHA is horrible. AOC is divisive. Bragged about her support of JB and the party leadership. AOC is MIA. AOC: her GND for public housing was drafted with the help of NYCHA residents.
MCC seemed like she was trying to suck up to the Democratic leadership, especially NP. BK seemed rather close to AOC in positions.
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