An Innocent View of the Human Condition

[SLD]

An Innocent View of the Human Condition

Man was formed of dust, slime, and ashes; what is even more vile, of the filthiest seed. He was conceived from the itch of the flesh, in the heat of passion and the stench of lust, and worse yet, with the stain of sin. He was born to toil, dread and trouble; and more wretched still, was born only to die. He commits depraved acts by which he offends God, his neighbor, and himself; shameful acts by which he defiles his name, his person, and his conscience; and vain acts by which he ignores all things important, useful, and necessary. He will become fuel for those fires which are forever hot and burn forever bright; food for the worm which forever nibbles and digests; a mass of rottenness which will forever stink and reek.

Men strive especially for three things: riches, pleasures, and honors. Riches lead to immorality, pleasures to shame, and honors to vanity. Hence the Apostle John says, “Do not love the world or the things that are in the world; because all that is in the world is the concupiscence of the flesh and the concupiscence of the eyes and the pride of life.” The concupiscence of the flesh pertains to pleasures, the concupiscence of the eyes to riches. and the pride of life to honors. Riches beget covetousness and avarice, pleasures give birth to gluttony and lechery. and honors nourish pride and boasting.

Insatiable cupidity is an unquenchable fire. Was there ever a covetous man content with his first wish? When he has got what he wanted, he always longs to have more, and never sets his present possessions as a limit. “The eye of the covetous man is insatiable in his portion of iniquity; he will not be satisfied.” A covetous man shall not be satisfied with money, and he that loves riches shall reap no fruit from them.” Nor Hell nor perdition is ever sated, nor the insatiable eyes of men.

while the avaricious gather wealth and misers save it, while gluttons swallow their pleasures and lechers wallow in theirs, the ambitious strive for honors and the proud esteem them. The ambitious man is always fearful, always under tension lest he say or do anything which might make him displeasing in the eyes of men. He pretends humility, feigns honesty, displays affability, shows off his kindness, is accommodating, is compliant, honors everyone and bows to everybody, frequents courts, visits important people, rises and embraces, claps his hands and fawns. A famous quotation describes him well: “If there’s no dust he’ll still brush it off.” He is prompt and eager where he knows he will please, hesitant and lukewarm where he thinks he will not. He condemns evil and detests iniquity, but what he praises and blames varies with the person, so long as he will be thought competent and be deemed welcome by one and all. But see how he must keep up a grave battle in himself, and a very hard conflict it is, with Iniquity hammering at his soul and Ambition leading him by the hand; for what the one suggests he do, the other will not permit.

Man is conceived of blood made rotten by the heat of lust; and in the end worms, like mourners, stand about his corpse. In life he produced lice and tapeworms; in death he will produce worms and flies. In life he produced dung and vomit; in death he produces rottenness and stench. In life he fattened one man; in death he fattens a multitude of worms. What then is more foul than a human corpse? What is more horrible than a dead man? He whose embrace was pure delight in life will be a gruesome sight in death.

Pretty negative view. Thoughts?

 

[steve_bank]

Thoughts?

I think Aron Rogers will go to the Jets, have a miserable year, and fade into obscurity.

You sound like a ranting extreme Evangelical who thinks he's Moses down from the mountain.

Is a lion immoral for being a lion? A mosquito for being a mosquito?

Pet dogs and cats that go feral revert to their genetic inheritance and act like their wild canine and feline cousins in the wild.

Western liberal democracy is based on the idea that humans can overcome our inclnations and govern ourselves peacefully and cooperative. It does not seem to be wroking very well.

We are what we are.

Free market capitalism works as well as it has because it is a fit to humans, which I believe was what Smith said. Not ignoring the negatives of capitalism as we have it, but it allows humans to express competitive instincts.

Without that Soviet and Chinese communism were dull, lifeless, oppressive, and not prodctive.

 

[Bomb#20]

What is the meaning of ascetic ideals?
...
We can no longer conceal from ourselves what is expressed by all that willing which has taken its direction from the ascetic ideal: this hatred of the human, and even more of the animal, and more still of the material, this horror of the senses, of reason itself, this fear of happiness and beauty, this longing to get away from all appearance, change, becoming, death, wishing, from longing itself —all this means—let us dare to grasp it —a will to nothingness, an aversion to life, a rebellion against the most fundamental presuppositions of life; but it is and remains a will! . . . And, to repeat in conclusion what I said at the beginning: man would rather will nothingness than not will.

- On The Genealogy Of Morals

 

[Politesse]

An Innocent View of the Human Condition

Man was formed of dust, slime, and ashes; what is even more vile, of the filthiest seed. He was conceived from the itch of the flesh, in the heat of passion and the stench of lust, and worse yet, with the stain of sin. He was born to toil, dread and trouble; and more wretched still, was born only to die. He commits depraved acts by which he offends God, his neighbor, and himself; shameful acts by which he defiles his name, his person, and his conscience; and vain acts by which he ignores all things important, useful, and necessary. He will become fuel for those fires which are forever hot and burn forever bright; food for the worm which forever nibbles and digests; a mass of rottenness which will forever stink and reek.

Men strive especially for three things: riches, pleasures, and honors. Riches lead to immorality, pleasures to shame, and honors to vanity. Hence the Apostle John says, “Do not love the world or the things that are in the world; because all that is in the world is the concupiscence of the flesh and the concupiscence of the eyes and the pride of life.” The concupiscence of the flesh pertains to pleasures, the concupiscence of the eyes to riches. and the pride of life to honors. Riches beget covetousness and avarice, pleasures give birth to gluttony and lechery. and honors nourish pride and boasting.

Insatiable cupidity is an unquenchable fire. Was there ever a covetous man content with his first wish? When he has got what he wanted, he always longs to have more, and never sets his present possessions as a limit. “The eye of the covetous man is insatiable in his portion of iniquity; he will not be satisfied.” A covetous man shall not be satisfied with money, and he that loves riches shall reap no fruit from them.” Nor Hell nor perdition is ever sated, nor the insatiable eyes of men.

while the avaricious gather wealth and misers save it, while gluttons swallow their pleasures and lechers wallow in theirs, the ambitious strive for honors and the proud esteem them. The ambitious man is always fearful, always under tension lest he say or do anything which might make him displeasing in the eyes of men. He pretends humility, feigns honesty, displays affability, shows off his kindness, is accommodating, is compliant, honors everyone and bows to everybody, frequents courts, visits important people, rises and embraces, claps his hands and fawns. A famous quotation describes him well: “If there’s no dust he’ll still brush it off.” He is prompt and eager where he knows he will please, hesitant and lukewarm where he thinks he will not. He condemns evil and detests iniquity, but what he praises and blames varies with the person, so long as he will be thought competent and be deemed welcome by one and all. But see how he must keep up a grave battle in himself, and a very hard conflict it is, with Iniquity hammering at his soul and Ambition leading him by the hand; for what the one suggests he do, the other will not permit.

Man is conceived of blood made rotten by the heat of lust; and in the end worms, like mourners, stand about his corpse. In life he produced lice and tapeworms; in death he will produce worms and flies. In life he produced dung and vomit; in death he produces rottenness and stench. In life he fattened one man; in death he fattens a multitude of worms. What then is more foul than a human corpse? What is more horrible than a dead man? He whose embrace was pure delight in life will be a gruesome sight in death.

Pretty negative view. Thoughts?

In case people are wondering, the "Innocent" in question was Pope Innocent III, otherwise known as Lotario dei Conti di Segni in life. As for his writings, I will say that they got what they were asking for when they decided to raise a career lawyer to the Santa Sede! Perhaps the most skilfull of all Popes in exercising the power of interdict, the concept of which fascinated me as a child. You can read the whole work here (English) or here (if you have a bit of Latin under your belt and really want to be creeped out)

A good pun, my friend!

 

[Elixir]

Thoughts?

I think Aron Rogers will go to the Jets, have a miserable year, and fade into obscurity.

You sound like a ranting extreme Evangelical who thinks he's Moses down from the mountain.

Is a lion immoral for being a lion? A mosquito for being a mosquito?

Pet dogs and cats that go feral revert to their genetic inheritance and act like their wild canine and feline cousins in the wild.

Western liberal democracy is based on the idea that humans can overcome our inclnations and govern ourselves peacefully and cooperative. It does not seem to be wroking very well.

We are what we are.

Free market capitalism works as well as it has because it is a fit to humans, which I believe was what Smith said. Not ignoring the negatives of capitalism as we have it, but it allows humans to express competitive instincts.

Without that Soviet and Chinese communism were dull, lifeless, oppressive, and not prodctive.

But what about Russel Wilson?

 

[SLD]

An Innocent View of the Human Condition

Man was formed of dust, slime, and ashes; what is even more vile, of the filthiest seed. He was conceived from the itch of the flesh, in the heat of passion and the stench of lust, and worse yet, with the stain of sin. He was born to toil, dread and trouble; and more wretched still, was born only to die. He commits depraved acts by which he offends God, his neighbor, and himself; shameful acts by which he defiles his name, his person, and his conscience; and vain acts by which he ignores all things important, useful, and necessary. He will become fuel for those fires which are forever hot and burn forever bright; food for the worm which forever nibbles and digests; a mass of rottenness which will forever stink and reek.

Men strive especially for three things: riches, pleasures, and honors. Riches lead to immorality, pleasures to shame, and honors to vanity. Hence the Apostle John says, “Do not love the world or the things that are in the world; because all that is in the world is the concupiscence of the flesh and the concupiscence of the eyes and the pride of life.” The concupiscence of the flesh pertains to pleasures, the concupiscence of the eyes to riches. and the pride of life to honors. Riches beget covetousness and avarice, pleasures give birth to gluttony and lechery. and honors nourish pride and boasting.

Insatiable cupidity is an unquenchable fire. Was there ever a covetous man content with his first wish? When he has got what he wanted, he always longs to have more, and never sets his present possessions as a limit. “The eye of the covetous man is insatiable in his portion of iniquity; he will not be satisfied.” A covetous man shall not be satisfied with money, and he that loves riches shall reap no fruit from them.” Nor Hell nor perdition is ever sated, nor the insatiable eyes of men.

while the avaricious gather wealth and misers save it, while gluttons swallow their pleasures and lechers wallow in theirs, the ambitious strive for honors and the proud esteem them. The ambitious man is always fearful, always under tension lest he say or do anything which might make him displeasing in the eyes of men. He pretends humility, feigns honesty, displays affability, shows off his kindness, is accommodating, is compliant, honors everyone and bows to everybody, frequents courts, visits important people, rises and embraces, claps his hands and fawns. A famous quotation describes him well: “If there’s no dust he’ll still brush it off.” He is prompt and eager where he knows he will please, hesitant and lukewarm where he thinks he will not. He condemns evil and detests iniquity, but what he praises and blames varies with the person, so long as he will be thought competent and be deemed welcome by one and all. But see how he must keep up a grave battle in himself, and a very hard conflict it is, with Iniquity hammering at his soul and Ambition leading him by the hand; for what the one suggests he do, the other will not permit.

Man is conceived of blood made rotten by the heat of lust; and in the end worms, like mourners, stand about his corpse. In life he produced lice and tapeworms; in death he will produce worms and flies. In life he produced dung and vomit; in death he produces rottenness and stench. In life he fattened one man; in death he fattens a multitude of worms. What then is more foul than a human corpse? What is more horrible than a dead man? He whose embrace was pure delight in life will be a gruesome sight in death.

Pretty negative view. Thoughts?

In case people are wondering, the "Innocent" in question was Pope Innocent III, otherwise known as Lotario dei Conti di Segni in life. As for his writings, I will say that they got what they were asking for when they decided to raise a career lawyer to the Santa Sede! Perhaps the most skilfull of all Popes in exercising the power of interdict, the concept of which fascinated me as a child. You can read the whole work here (English) or here (if you have a bit of Latin under your belt and really want to be creeped out)

A good pun, my friend!

Very good! Reading a book on the history of humanism. Innocent meant to write another book as a counterweight to this one, that celebrated humanity. But he got distracted as Pope with the various crusades.

 

[Thomas II]

An Innocent View of the Human Condition

Man was formed of dust, slime, and ashes; what is even more vile, of the filthiest seed. He was conceived from the itch of the flesh, in the heat of passion and the stench of lust, and worse yet, with the stain of sin. He was born to toil, dread and trouble; and more wretched still, was born only to die. He commits depraved acts by which he offends God, his neighbor, and himself; shameful acts by which he defiles his name, his person, and his conscience; and vain acts by which he ignores all things important, useful, and necessary. He will become fuel for those fires which are forever hot and burn forever bright; food for the worm which forever nibbles and digests; a mass of rottenness which will forever stink and reek.

Men strive especially for three things: riches, pleasures, and honors. Riches lead to immorality, pleasures to shame, and honors to vanity. Hence the Apostle John says, “Do not love the world or the things that are in the world; because all that is in the world is the concupiscence of the flesh and the concupiscence of the eyes and the pride of life.” The concupiscence of the flesh pertains to pleasures, the concupiscence of the eyes to riches. and the pride of life to honors. Riches beget covetousness and avarice, pleasures give birth to gluttony and lechery. and honors nourish pride and boasting.

Insatiable cupidity is an unquenchable fire. Was there ever a covetous man content with his first wish? When he has got what he wanted, he always longs to have more, and never sets his present possessions as a limit. “The eye of the covetous man is insatiable in his portion of iniquity; he will not be satisfied.” A covetous man shall not be satisfied with money, and he that loves riches shall reap no fruit from them.” Nor Hell nor perdition is ever sated, nor the insatiable eyes of men.

while the avaricious gather wealth and misers save it, while gluttons swallow their pleasures and lechers wallow in theirs, the ambitious strive for honors and the proud esteem them. The ambitious man is always fearful, always under tension lest he say or do anything which might make him displeasing in the eyes of men. He pretends humility, feigns honesty, displays affability, shows off his kindness, is accommodating, is compliant, honors everyone and bows to everybody, frequents courts, visits important people, rises and embraces, claps his hands and fawns. A famous quotation describes him well: “If there’s no dust he’ll still brush it off.” He is prompt and eager where he knows he will please, hesitant and lukewarm where he thinks he will not. He condemns evil and detests iniquity, but what he praises and blames varies with the person, so long as he will be thought competent and be deemed welcome by one and all. But see how he must keep up a grave battle in himself, and a very hard conflict it is, with Iniquity hammering at his soul and Ambition leading him by the hand; for what the one suggests he do, the other will not permit.

Man is conceived of blood made rotten by the heat of lust; and in the end worms, like mourners, stand about his corpse. In life he produced lice and tapeworms; in death he will produce worms and flies. In life he produced dung and vomit; in death he produces rottenness and stench. In life he fattened one man; in death he fattens a multitude of worms. What then is more foul than a human corpse? What is more horrible than a dead man? He whose embrace was pure delight in life will be a gruesome sight in death.

Pretty negative view. Thoughts?

 

[Politesse]

An Innocent View of the Human Condition

Man was formed of dust, slime, and ashes; what is even more vile, of the filthiest seed. He was conceived from the itch of the flesh, in the heat of passion and the stench of lust, and worse yet, with the stain of sin. He was born to toil, dread and trouble; and more wretched still, was born only to die. He commits depraved acts by which he offends God, his neighbor, and himself; shameful acts by which he defiles his name, his person, and his conscience; and vain acts by which he ignores all things important, useful, and necessary. He will become fuel for those fires which are forever hot and burn forever bright; food for the worm which forever nibbles and digests; a mass of rottenness which will forever stink and reek.

Men strive especially for three things: riches, pleasures, and honors. Riches lead to immorality, pleasures to shame, and honors to vanity. Hence the Apostle John says, “Do not love the world or the things that are in the world; because all that is in the world is the concupiscence of the flesh and the concupiscence of the eyes and the pride of life.” The concupiscence of the flesh pertains to pleasures, the concupiscence of the eyes to riches. and the pride of life to honors. Riches beget covetousness and avarice, pleasures give birth to gluttony and lechery. and honors nourish pride and boasting.

Insatiable cupidity is an unquenchable fire. Was there ever a covetous man content with his first wish? When he has got what he wanted, he always longs to have more, and never sets his present possessions as a limit. “The eye of the covetous man is insatiable in his portion of iniquity; he will not be satisfied.” A covetous man shall not be satisfied with money, and he that loves riches shall reap no fruit from them.” Nor Hell nor perdition is ever sated, nor the insatiable eyes of men.

while the avaricious gather wealth and misers save it, while gluttons swallow their pleasures and lechers wallow in theirs, the ambitious strive for honors and the proud esteem them. The ambitious man is always fearful, always under tension lest he say or do anything which might make him displeasing in the eyes of men. He pretends humility, feigns honesty, displays affability, shows off his kindness, is accommodating, is compliant, honors everyone and bows to everybody, frequents courts, visits important people, rises and embraces, claps his hands and fawns. A famous quotation describes him well: “If there’s no dust he’ll still brush it off.” He is prompt and eager where he knows he will please, hesitant and lukewarm where he thinks he will not. He condemns evil and detests iniquity, but what he praises and blames varies with the person, so long as he will be thought competent and be deemed welcome by one and all. But see how he must keep up a grave battle in himself, and a very hard conflict it is, with Iniquity hammering at his soul and Ambition leading him by the hand; for what the one suggests he do, the other will not permit.

Man is conceived of blood made rotten by the heat of lust; and in the end worms, like mourners, stand about his corpse. In life he produced lice and tapeworms; in death he will produce worms and flies. In life he produced dung and vomit; in death he produces rottenness and stench. In life he fattened one man; in death he fattens a multitude of worms. What then is more foul than a human corpse? What is more horrible than a dead man? He whose embrace was pure delight in life will be a gruesome sight in death.

Pretty negative view. Thoughts?

In case people are wondering, the "Innocent" in question was Pope Innocent III, otherwise known as Lotario dei Conti di Segni in life. As for his writings, I will say that they got what they were asking for when they decided to raise a career lawyer to the Santa Sede! Perhaps the most skilfull of all Popes in exercising the power of interdict, the concept of which fascinated me as a child. You can read the whole work here (English) or here (if you have a bit of Latin under your belt and really want to be creeped out)

A good pun, my friend!

Very good! Reading a book on the history of humanism. Innocent meant to write another book as a counterweight to this one, that celebrated humanity. But he got distracted as Pope with the various crusades.

Ah, that awkward feeling when you mean to get around to writing a heartwarming treatise on the worth of the human spirit, but instead get a bit side-tracked and wage decades of vicious and unforgiving holy war against an unending list of foreign and domestic heretics...

 

[Jarhyn]

On the subject of Matthew the "some people are eunuchs so cut off the 'hand' that makes you 'sin'" (which is to say, read between the lines, Matthew took their balls off)

I'm a eunuch and I STILL love feeling sexual pleasure. I just don't feel like I NEED to anymore. It's far better to quit worrying about feeling gross for enjoying the world, and just enjoy the world, explore, enjoy ALL the emotion, even the pain and the guilt and the shame -- at least when you fucked up. Those "negative" emotions are just there because for the most part, they help us be better than we were. It's their entire purpose.

In some ways I feel like the correct way to live is as a mockery of the modern Christian church. I say revel in the world, and love it, and all the people in it, and all that it is, while trying to make it even better for those who come later, even if nobody is ever satisfied that it is good enough. It will never be good enough, has never been good enough, though, and you should enjoy the emotion of feeling that too, because that means you always have a reason to make it better.

People should be born into this life and instead of being told "it's nice now, but it goes to shit later on", it can be "look at all this cool shit we have out here in the world. Sure, some parts suck, but let's work on fixing that. In fact working to fix the shit parts is one of the fun parts, a lot of times! Work hard, we'll try and make it comfortable and easy for a while, but then come join us with inventing/enjoying the (blackjack and hookers)!"

Perhaps that's what it means to actually hold radical love in your heart: to just be in love with the world and all the people in it to the point where looking at that love makes you cry with all the complexity of pain and joy knowing that they are there, that all that amazing, wonderful chaos of life is happening.

Why hate existence so much? Why choose to live in that mire of misery hating all that you are, as if no story should ever be told about you so that others will try to live your legend, too? Or doing the same things over and over again rather something new, and ONLY living someone else's story?

It seems a way that the wealthy can parasitize the world with their own stories, and drown out the rest. The story of "Mammon" doesn't need a reprise!

If you feel goaded by your body to be something you are not, if you think some part of your body is sinning against YOU, that's when you cut it off. Of course, if you love the world and some part of you is hurting the world you love, I suppose that's just as fair a reason to reject that part too? I felt that way sometimes before, but far less now.

Eat, Drink, be Merry, for tomorrow we have to grow the crops, make the wine, and write the songs so we can Eat, Drink and be Merry once more!

 

[SLD]

An Innocent View of the Human Condition

Man was formed of dust, slime, and ashes; what is even more vile, of the filthiest seed. He was conceived from the itch of the flesh, in the heat of passion and the stench of lust, and worse yet, with the stain of sin. He was born to toil, dread and trouble; and more wretched still, was born only to die. He commits depraved acts by which he offends God, his neighbor, and himself; shameful acts by which he defiles his name, his person, and his conscience; and vain acts by which he ignores all things important, useful, and necessary. He will become fuel for those fires which are forever hot and burn forever bright; food for the worm which forever nibbles and digests; a mass of rottenness which will forever stink and reek.

Men strive especially for three things: riches, pleasures, and honors. Riches lead to immorality, pleasures to shame, and honors to vanity. Hence the Apostle John says, “Do not love the world or the things that are in the world; because all that is in the world is the concupiscence of the flesh and the concupiscence of the eyes and the pride of life.” The concupiscence of the flesh pertains to pleasures, the concupiscence of the eyes to riches. and the pride of life to honors. Riches beget covetousness and avarice, pleasures give birth to gluttony and lechery. and honors nourish pride and boasting.

Insatiable cupidity is an unquenchable fire. Was there ever a covetous man content with his first wish? When he has got what he wanted, he always longs to have more, and never sets his present possessions as a limit. “The eye of the covetous man is insatiable in his portion of iniquity; he will not be satisfied.” A covetous man shall not be satisfied with money, and he that loves riches shall reap no fruit from them.” Nor Hell nor perdition is ever sated, nor the insatiable eyes of men.

while the avaricious gather wealth and misers save it, while gluttons swallow their pleasures and lechers wallow in theirs, the ambitious strive for honors and the proud esteem them. The ambitious man is always fearful, always under tension lest he say or do anything which might make him displeasing in the eyes of men. He pretends humility, feigns honesty, displays affability, shows off his kindness, is accommodating, is compliant, honors everyone and bows to everybody, frequents courts, visits important people, rises and embraces, claps his hands and fawns. A famous quotation describes him well: “If there’s no dust he’ll still brush it off.” He is prompt and eager where he knows he will please, hesitant and lukewarm where he thinks he will not. He condemns evil and detests iniquity, but what he praises and blames varies with the person, so long as he will be thought competent and be deemed welcome by one and all. But see how he must keep up a grave battle in himself, and a very hard conflict it is, with Iniquity hammering at his soul and Ambition leading him by the hand; for what the one suggests he do, the other will not permit.

Man is conceived of blood made rotten by the heat of lust; and in the end worms, like mourners, stand about his corpse. In life he produced lice and tapeworms; in death he will produce worms and flies. In life he produced dung and vomit; in death he produces rottenness and stench. In life he fattened one man; in death he fattens a multitude of worms. What then is more foul than a human corpse? What is more horrible than a dead man? He whose embrace was pure delight in life will be a gruesome sight in death.

Pretty negative view. Thoughts?

In case people are wondering, the "Innocent" in question was Pope Innocent III, otherwise known as Lotario dei Conti di Segni in life. As for his writings, I will say that they got what they were asking for when they decided to raise a career lawyer to the Santa Sede! Perhaps the most skilfull of all Popes in exercising the power of interdict, the concept of which fascinated me as a child. You can read the whole work here (English) or here (if you have a bit of Latin under your belt and really want to be creeped out)

A good pun, my friend!

Very good! Reading a book on the history of humanism. Innocent meant to write another book as a counterweight to this one, that celebrated humanity. But he got distracted as Pope with the various crusades.

Ah, that awkward feeling when you mean to get around to writing a heartwarming treatise on the worth of the human spirit, but instead get a bit side-tracked and wage decades of vicious and unforgiving holy war against an unending list of foreign and domestic heretics...

Well. One must have priorities!

 

[steve_bank]

When I was younger for relaxation and a night of escape I'd go to a strip club and get a few lap dances.

There is something soothing about dancing naked women. Lest you think that mysogynistic, a club in Everette had two rooms, one for female and one for male strippers.

e citizen moral police eventually got their way and many of them were closed.

 

[WAB]

I thought at first the quoted bits were from Jonathan Edwards, whose "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God" is one of the sickest things ever penned.

Then I googled and got the pun.

I was a little disappointed because I was ready to go off on the terrific turd that was Edwards.

 

[SLD]

I thought at first the quoted bits were from Jonathan Edwards, whose "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God" is one of the sickest things ever penned.

Then I googled and got the pun.

I was a little disappointed because I was ready to go off on the terrific turd that was Edwards.

Please feel free to do so. Some explanation may be needed. Or go off on Innocent.

 

[SLD]

BTW, I think one cannot wholly ignore Innocent’s views. They may not be the be all. But at least he’s not some pollyanish bullshit like Norman Vincent Peale brightside turd. The human condition can be pretty dismal. We are all destined to be dust and food for worms (brave Percy). Our lives can be pathetic, wrapped up in trying to get laid, get power and get money. Riches, pleasures and honors. They are pretty pointless.

But some of the fruits are not the end. We have children and they contribute to society. My grandfather’s business success still partly funds my retirement, and will for my children, too. So he may be dead, but he lives on through many descendants. All of those took sex, money and a bit of honor from others.

I would’ve liked to read his other planned writing though as well.

 

[WAB]

I thought at first the quoted bits were from Jonathan Edwards, whose "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God" is one of the sickest things ever penned.

Then I googled and got the pun.

I was a little disappointed because I was ready to go off on the terrific turd that was Edwards.

Please feel free to do so. Some explanation may be needed. Or go off on Innocent.

Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I thought this particular preacher (and sermon) were well-known.

It isn't that Edwards said anything not said in some manner before.

I thought at first the quoted bits were from Jonathan Edwards, whose "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God" is one of the sickest things ever penned.

Then I googled and got the pun.

I was a little disappointed because I was ready to go off on the terrific turd that was Edwards.

Please feel free to do so. Some explanation may be needed. Or go off on Innocent.

There's not much to explain. The Edwards sermon is quite famous and is still discussed and cited today.

Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God - Wikipedia

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I just have a major sore spot for any kind of teaching of the idea that without faith in Jesus Christ, a human being is worthy of nothing except eternal torment in a literal hell. It amazes me that to this day people still believe and teach it.

It isn't that Edwards was particularly original, and there have been (and still are) many people of like mind - it's just that he's the turd that I was reminded of.

 

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Egads...

The previous post got jacked up. Only the second part was supposed to post. I messed things up when I edited.