Another terract in Europe this time in Brussels

[Jimmy Higgins]

Fuck you! We are all going to die, it is Obama's fault because he stayed in Cuba, Sean Hannity said so!

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Body counts for one.

There was one fatality at Bishopsgate. One. And that is your go-to example. Compare that to death toll of any Islamic terrorist attack of recent years. There is simply no comparison.
1800 dead during the entirety of the "Troubles". And how many of those were combatants vs. innocent victims? And that's half of the number Islamists killed on 9/11.

Is it somehow worse to be killed by Muslims than by Christians? Do Muslim explosives do more damage somehow?

Well these Muslim explosives surely did much more damage than the Catholic explosives at Bishopsgate.

The only thing that is 'worse' is the public response - instead of keeping calm and carrying on, we see panic, knee-jerk politics that strip citizens of their liberty, and support for loonies like Donald Drumpf.

Yeah, that's the only thing that's worse. Keep dreaming!

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Terrorism in Europe can only be said to be getting 'worse' if you mean the terrorists are no longer as good at killing people as they used to be.

Or you fail to note the change that happened.

The early part of that chart shows the deaths from when Moscow was in the terror business. When they quit funding terrorism that petered out and we had a low period. Now we have Islam funding terror.

 

[untermensche]

The early part of that chart shows the deaths from when Moscow was in the terror business. When they quit funding terrorism that petered out and we had a low period. Now we have Islam funding terror.

The early part of the chart is IRA terrorism, the Basque conflict and the Bologna massacre in 1980.

None of it has anything to do with the Soviet Union.

 

[bilby]

Body counts for one.

There was one fatality at Bishopsgate. One. And that is your go-to example. Compare that to death toll of any Islamic terrorist attack of recent years. There is simply no comparison.
1800 dead during the entirety of the "Troubles". And how many of those were combatants vs. innocent victims? And that's half of the number Islamists killed on 9/11.

Is it somehow worse to be killed by Muslims than by Christians? Do Muslim explosives do more damage somehow?

Well these Muslim explosives surely did much more damage than the Catholic explosives at Bishopsgate.

The only thing that is 'worse' is the public response - instead of keeping calm and carrying on, we see panic, knee-jerk politics that strip citizens of their liberty, and support for loonies like Donald Drumpf.

Yeah, that's the only thing that's worse. Keep dreaming!

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Terrorism in Europe can only be said to be getting 'worse' if you mean the terrorists are no longer as good at killing people as they used to be.

Or you fail to note the change that happened.

The early part of that chart shows the deaths from when Moscow was in the terror business. When they quit funding terrorism that petered out and we had a low period. Now we have Islam funding terror.

Rather ineffectively, given the tiny number of attacks.

Your unsupported rationalization is noted; but doesn't change the clear fact that whatever was happening in the 1970s and 1980s, terrorism was worse in Europe then than it is now. So there is no justification for the massive over-emphasis on terrorism in our political discourse; nor for its over-reporting in the media. The whole thing is clearly about selling news, not saving lives.

 

[Jayjay]

Body counts for one.

There was one fatality at Bishopsgate. One. And that is your go-to example. Compare that to death toll of any Islamic terrorist attack of recent years. There is simply no comparison.
1800 dead during the entirety of the "Troubles". And how many of those were combatants vs. innocent victims? And that's half of the number Islamists killed on 9/11.

Is it somehow worse to be killed by Muslims than by Christians? Do Muslim explosives do more damage somehow?

Well these Muslim explosives surely did much more damage than the Catholic explosives at Bishopsgate.

The only thing that is 'worse' is the public response - instead of keeping calm and carrying on, we see panic, knee-jerk politics that strip citizens of their liberty, and support for loonies like Donald Drumpf.

Yeah, that's the only thing that's worse. Keep dreaming!

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Terrorism in Europe can only be said to be getting 'worse' if you mean the terrorists are no longer as good at killing people as they used to be.

Or you fail to note the change that happened.

The early part of that chart shows the deaths from when Moscow was in the terror business. When they quit funding terrorism that petered out and we had a low period. Now we have Islam funding terror.

Rather ineffectively, given the tiny number of attacks.

Your unsupported rationalization is noted; but doesn't change the clear fact that whatever was happening in the 1970s and 1980s, terrorism was worse in Europe then than it is now. So there is no justification for the massive over-emphasis on terrorism in our political discourse; nor for its over-reporting in the media. The whole thing is clearly about selling news, not saving lives.

Is it really? I get the impression that terrorism is for some reason over-emphasized in American political discourse, even though America has hardly any actual terrorist attacks (except on Homeland). Europe is much more coy about it, except of course for a few weeks or months after something like this happens.

Of course I have personal bias. When I lived in USA, I owned a television. In Europe, I get most of my news from the Internet.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The early part of that chart shows the deaths from when Moscow was in the terror business. When they quit funding terrorism that petered out and we had a low period. Now we have Islam funding terror.

The early part of the chart is IRA terrorism, the Basque conflict and the Bologna massacre in 1980.

None of it has anything to do with the Soviet Union.

You just don't want to admit that the enemies of the US are anything but angels.

 

[Axulus]

That's as many people as die in a fortnight on Belgian roads.

It's all very exciting for the media, and tragic for the families of the victims; but the appropriate response (if you are not a Belgian policeman or soldier) is the same as it is to the road traffic deaths in Belgium. It's not worth a moment of our time to think about it; and by doing so, we encourage repetition of this crap.

Let the cops find and arrest the guilty. Let the public carry on as though nothing happened - that's the most effective defence possible.

Incorrect, it occurred in the "terrible tragedy" part of the map. Here is a helpful guide on how to react depending on where it took place:

 

[crispy]

The early part of the chart is IRA terrorism, the Basque conflict and the Bologna massacre in 1980.

None of it has anything to do with the Soviet Union.

You just don't want to admit that the enemies of the US are anything but angels.

Do the same words appear on my screen as on your Loren? It really seems like there is some sort of disconnect between the reality we perceive.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

The early part of the chart is IRA terrorism, the Basque conflict and the Bologna massacre in 1980.

None of it has anything to do with the Soviet Union.

You just don't want to admit that the enemies of the US are anything but angels.

No high those early numbers are from the Troubles, not the Soviets.

 

[untermensche]

The early part of the chart is IRA terrorism, the Basque conflict and the Bologna massacre in 1980.

None of it has anything to do with the Soviet Union.

You just don't want to admit that the enemies of the US are anything but angels.

You live in some fantasy world devoid of facts.

 

[TSwizzle]

Let's not get too carried away, #White_Infidel_Lives_Don't_Matter;

We must mourn the dead of Brussels – and those of Ankara, Baghdad and Raqqa

Guardian

Even the Guardianistas are cringing at this one.

 

[Malintent]

And yet EU is intent on importing millions and millions of Muslims from the Middle East and Africa in addition to all the Muslims that already immigrated there in the last several decades.
Can you think of a more suicidal policy than that?

Yes. A policy that calls all Muslims untrustworthy. That would be far more suicidal than sticking to the currently accepted methods of judging people's threat levels on an individual basis.

 

[Jayjay]

Sunday's "March Against Fear" in Brussels is cancelled, due to fear:

The organisers of a "March Against Fear" planned for Sunday to mark the Brussels terror attacks said they had cancelled the event after the authorities asked them to do so because of security fears.

"We understand this request. The security of our citizens is an absolute priority. We join the authorities in proposing a delay and ask people not to come this Sunday," the organisers said in a statement on Saturday.

You win this round, Fear!

 

[Archimedes]

You just don't want to admit that the enemies of the US are anything but angels.

No high those early numbers are from the Troubles, not the Soviets.

Loren has this funny idea that the IRA were only active because they received funding from the Soviet Union and that when the Soviet Union collapsed, they fizzled away without their paymasters. Anyone familiar with the history of the Troubles and the reason for the peace process in the 1990s would realise how laughably wrong he is.

He's no different from those who wish to ascribe the blame for all the world's ills on the USA, he just points his finger at the USSR/Russia instead. If there's trouble somewhere, you can be sure those darn Russkies are behind it.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

No high those early numbers are from the Troubles, not the Soviets.

Loren has this funny idea that the IRA were only active because they received funding from the Soviet Union and that when the Soviet Union collapsed, they fizzled away without their paymasters. Anyone familiar with the history of the Troubles and the reason for the peace process in the 1990s would realise how laughably wrong he is.

He's no different from those who wish to ascribe the blame for all the world's ills on the USA, he just points his finger at the USSR/Russia instead. If there's trouble somewhere, you can be sure those darn Russkies are behind it.

Not only due to the Russians but note how all the non-Muslim terrorist movements withered once Moscow got out of the terrorism game.

 

[Archimedes]

Not only due to the Russians but note how all the non-Muslim terrorist movements withered once Moscow got out of the terrorism game.

So supply some evidence that the Russians were the main source of financial support for the IRA and that the 1990s peace process in Northern Ireland had anything to do with the collapse of the USSR.

Because if you truly think the situation is that simple, then you haven't got the foggiest understanding of Northern Ireland's history and politics.

Do you know what one of the main sources of funding for the IRA was? Americans. A fundraising organisation called NORAID raised huge funds for the IRA in the 70s and 80s from Irish-Americans. It was nominally done in the name of supporting political prisoners and other non-violent causes, but in actual fact it was simply a cover to raise cash for the IRA to buy weapons. The IRA have also been heavily involved in criminal activities - extortion rackets, bank robberies, etc. - to raise funds. They also had a bonus in the 1980s when Gaddafi donated a bunch of weapons and explosives knowing they would be used against the British.

You truly don't know what you're talking about.

Do you have any actual evidence for this Soviet funding of the IRA? The only thing I can actually find of the USSR being behind Irish republicanism is when in 1972 they gave a bunch of weapons and ammo to the Official IRA (who were responsible for about 50 killings during the early troubles) just before they fizzled out as an active militant organisation. I can't find a single source claiming that the Soviet Union was any sort of financial supporter, significant or otherwise, to the Provos.

 

[barbos]

Loren, you are ridiculous, even for yourself. The only thing google was able to find is from 1920s, Nineteen hundred fucking twenties, russians apparently were trying to use IRA as spies and offerend 100 pounds, which was laughable even at that time.
Soviet Union did no fund IRA. US funded afgan "freedom" fighters which eventually became fucking ISIS.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Well, remember when all the IRA guys were coming to St Petersberg to raise money for their cause? Oh no, wait, that was Boston.

 

[Jayjay]

Well, remember when all the IRA guys were coming to St Petersberg to raise money for their cause? Oh no, wait, that was Boston.

And St. Petersburg was Leningrad.