Another unarmed black teenager killed by police

[whichphilosophy]

Early on, there were all kinds of 'more' being reported: the kids were aggressively backing into the police, were armed, were leaving the party because the police had been called, etc.

However, not only has eye witness testimony disproved this but so have the police's own video.

Whether the officer was an out and out bigot or whether he panicked, I don't know.

Even a bigoted officer isn't going to out-and-out shoot someone for no reason.

Panic would imply there was something that made them panic. What?

It is possible they can, even a non bigoted one. There can also be perceived reasons for doing things but on the cops side that perception would need to be justified. I think this will have to wait for a comprehensive which I hope produces a picture of what happened.

 

[Toni]

Early on, there were all kinds of 'more' being reported: the kids were aggressively backing into the police, were armed, were leaving the party because the police had been called, etc.

However, not only has eye witness testimony disproved this but so have the police's own video.

Whether the officer was an out and out bigot or whether he panicked, I don't know.

Even a bigoted officer isn't going to out-and-out shoot someone for no reason.

Panic would imply there was something that made them panic. What?

What LD, Mumbles and ksen said.

I was just going to say racism and bigotry and cowardice. I'll defer to them.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Latest 23 hours ago.

https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/5/1/15499996/jordan-edwards-police-shooting-texas-balch-springs
Now, the officer involved in the shooting, Roy Oliver, has been fired, because, police said, he “violated several departmental policies.” He has 10 days to appeal the termination.

Police in Balch Springs, Texas, a majority-minority Dallas suburb, originally claimed there was an altercation with the vehicle. Edwards, who was unarmed, was sitting in the front passenger’s seat, with four other unarmed teens, including Edwards’s brother, in the car, according to family attorney Lee Merritt.

Oliver shot at the car with a rifle. A bullet broke through the front passenger’s window and hit Edwards. Shortly after, Edwards was rushed to a hospital, where he died from gunshot injuries. No officers were injured in the incident.

Balch Springs Police Chief Jonathan Haber at first said the car backed up toward responding officers “in an aggressive manner.”

After his original statement, however, Haber said on Monday that he “misspoke.” He clarified that the car was in fact driving away from officers, not toward them. He added, “After reviewing video, I don’t believe that it [the shooting] met our core values. END OF QUOTE

It seems some American Indians are more likely to get killed with Afro-Americans second.

https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/5/1/15499996/jordan-edwards-police-shooting-texas-balch-springs

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Early on, there were all kinds of 'more' being reported: the kids were aggressively backing into the police, were armed, were leaving the party because the police had been called, etc.

However, not only has eye witness testimony disproved this but so have the police's own video.

Whether the officer was an out and out bigot or whether he panicked, I don't know.

Even a bigoted officer isn't going to out-and-out shoot someone for no reason.

Panic would imply there was something that made them panic. What?

As I mentioned in an another thread, the issue we have in America is that some people just think that if an Officer kills someone, there has to be a good reason, therefore, the shooting was reasonable.

 

[Derec]

As I mentioned in an another thread, the issue we have in America is that some people just think that if an Officer kills someone, there has to be a good reason, therefore, the shooting was reasonable.

And some others believe that every time a black person is shot by police that it is automatically "murder".

 

[LordKiran]

As I mentioned in an another thread, the issue we have in America is that some people just think that if an Officer kills someone, there has to be a good reason, therefore, the shooting was reasonable.

And some others believe that every time a black person is shot by police that it is automatically "murder".

Nobody here has ever said that.

 

[Derec]

Nobody here has ever said that.

Nobody here has said the other thing either. But Jimmy referred explicitly to "in America" and my reply was to his statement. "In America" there are definitely some who see all police shootings of black people as "murder".

 

[laughing dog]

Nobody here has ever said that.

Nobody here has said the other thing either. But Jimmy referred explicitly to "in America" and my reply was to his statement. "In America" there are definitely some who see all police shootings of black people as "murder".

Some of them are murder.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Nobody here has said the other thing either. But Jimmy referred explicitly to "in America" and my reply was to his statement. "In America" there are definitely some who see all police shootings of black people as "murder".

Is this a "well they do it too" defense? Yeah, there are some that jump on the murder train pretty quickly. And there are some that jump on the police are never wrong bandwagon.

Of course, when someone complains about a police killing that isn't a murder, it takes a while for the repercussions to amount to something. Meanwhile, people that relentlessly defend police shootings because of the prementioned 'a cop shooting is legit because there was a cop shooting' propels a bad status quo that we already know exists and leads to more deaths.

 

[Malintent]

Nobody here has said the other thing either. But Jimmy referred explicitly to "in America" and my reply was to his statement. "In America" there are definitely some who see all police shootings of black people as "murder".

Some of them are murder.

BLM tends to call it murder first, and then look at the details second... then, third ,they call it murder again (regardless of the details).

 

[laughing dog]

Some of them are murder.

BLM tends to call it murder first, and then look at the details second... then, third ,they call it murder again (regardless of the details).

And your point is...?

 

[Malintent]

And some others believe that every time a black person is shot by police that it is automatically "murder".

Nobody here has ever said that.

Nobody here has said the other thing either. But Jimmy referred explicitly to "in America" and my reply was to his statement. "In America" there are definitely some who see all police shootings of black people as "murder".

Some of them are murder.

BLM tends to call it murder first, and then look at the details second... then, third ,they call it murder again (regardless of the details).

And your point is...?

Honesty matters? That when a group only has 1 line, it is bound to be wrong most of the time. A broken clock may be right twice a day, but it is wrong 1,438 times a day?

Some of them are murder.

And YOUR point is?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Some of them are murder.

BLM tends to call it murder first, and then look at the details second... then, third ,they call it murder again (regardless of the details).

Is this really true? Or is this mainly only true of some random people that associate themselves with the hashtag?

 

[PyramidHead]

BLM tends to call it murder first, and then look at the details second... then, third ,they call it murder again (regardless of the details).

Is this really true? Or is this mainly only true of some random people that associate themselves with the hashtag?

BLM isn't a group with a headquarters and a set of principles that everybody agrees with. It's a sentiment expressed by different people for different reasons.

 

[Mumbles]

Is this really true? Or is this mainly only true of some random people that associate themselves with the hashtag?

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BLM isn't a group with a headquarters and a set of principles that everybody agrees with. It's a sentiment expressed by different people for different reasons.

Well...Not quite true. There *is* a group named Black Lives Matter, although their local offices run more or less independently. And no, they do not automatically protest whenever a black person is killed by police. They *have* however, discussed the murder of Jeremy Mardis, who was a white 6-year old boy - they did not protest, because the two (black) police officers were quickly fired and indicted. They did protest, among other issues, Trump's muslim ban, and the DAPL, as those were ongoing issues at the time. The Ferguson PD earned heavy attention because the entire PD, and surrounding departments, attacked the community of Ferguson while they were grieving for Mike Brown.

however, much of what the group gets blamed for has nothing to do with the group itself, so this is worth noting.

 

[laughing dog]

Honesty matters? That when a group only has 1 line, it is bound to be wrong most of the time. A broken clock may be right twice a day, but it is wrong 1,438 times a day?

I can understand why those who are not interested in understanding their points being confused. But my guess is that those who focus on the "wrong" responses are not going to open to their message.

And YOUR point is?

That some are murder. Duh.

 

[Malintent]

I can understand why those who are not interested in understanding their points being confused. But my guess is that those who focus on the "wrong" responses are not going to open to their message.

And YOUR point is?

That some are murder. Duh.

yes. "duh" would have been an excellent response to your question. It is harmful to any valid point to associate falsehoods to it... the point becomes decreasingly valid in appearance.

 

[ronburgundy]

Even a bigoted officer isn't going to out-and-out shoot someone for no reason.

Panic would imply there was something that made them panic. What?

As I mentioned in an another thread, the issue we have in America is that some people just think that if an Officer kills someone, there has to be a good reason, therefore, the shooting was reasonable.

No, there just has to be a reason, it doesn't need to be a good one. Human actions are not random.

What LD, Mumbles and ksen said.

I was just going to say racism and bigotry and cowardice. I'll defer to them.

You shouldn't, because its brainless nonsense. Unless these were the first black people this officer ever saw while on duty, those "explanations" are idiotic and clearly false. Why didn't he shoot every black person at the party? Why didn't he shoot every black person he saw on the way to the party? Why didn't he shoot all his fellow officers that are black?
His racism can be a factor in impacting how he assesses a situation, but their has to be some situation to assess. All Loren is asking is what did the cop even think they saw or thought was happening and why did they they think that at that moment rather than every other time they saw black people?

 

[laughing dog]

yes. "duh" would have been an excellent response to your question.

In your case, it would be most intelligent response in this thread to date.

y
It is harmful to any valid point to associate falsehoods to it... the point becomes decreasingly valid in appearance.

Unsurprisingly, you seem unable to distinguish between "honest mistakes" and "deliberate mistakes". And I'll repeat
I can understand why those who are not interested in understanding their points being confused. But my guess is that those who focus on the "wrong" responses are not going to open to their message.

 

[laughing dog]

never mind