Another unarmed black teenager killed by police

[laughing dog]

History. They always say the guy didn't provoke it. There's a huge payoff from pulling it off.

You know the history of this family?

Maybe he's guessing the family had a "thuggish" lifestyle.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

I read on facebook that the cops family said the cop suffered with PTSD (have not confirmed, it's FB). If so, why was he allowed to carry a gun and a badge?

It's the 21st century, dude. You can pretty much develop PTSD from slipping on a banana peel.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I read on facebook that the cops family said the cop suffered with PTSD (have not confirmed, it's FB). If so, why was he allowed to carry a gun and a badge?

I wouldn't trust facebook. I read Sylvester Stallone died on there. Then I rented Creed and cried like a baby. Found out later Stallone was still alive.

 

[fast]

I didn't get to read the link in the OP, but the following passage is from a link later in the thread:


I wonder what other comprehended words surrounded those profanities.

And you're taking the word of the family as to what happened?!?!

They said they saw flashlights. I, for one, believe that.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

I read on facebook that the cops family said the cop suffered with PTSD (have not confirmed, it's FB). If so, why was he allowed to carry a gun and a badge?

I wouldn't trust facebook. I read Sylvester Stallone died on there. Then I rented Creed and cried like a baby. Found out later Stallone was still alive.

I was able to get through Creed, but Rocky 4 gave me PTSD.

That's totally a thing. Please believe me!

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I wouldn't trust facebook. I read Sylvester Stallone died on there. Then I rented Creed and cried like a baby. Found out later Stallone was still alive.

I was able to get through Creed, but Rocky 4 gave me PTSD.

That's totally a thing. Please believe me!

The Exorcist when it originally came out in theatres over 40 years ago was totally traumatic for people. I can't believe this caused her ptsd though. Maybe she is schizophrenic or has some other issue.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

I was able to get through Creed, but Rocky 4 gave me PTSD.

That's totally a thing. Please believe me!

The Exorcist when it originally came out in theatres over 40 years ago was totally traumatic for people.

I know. I can still reliably make my dad shit his pants by growling just the right way in a dark room...

 

[Loren Pechtel]

History. They always say the guy didn't provoke it. There's a huge payoff from pulling it off.

You know the history of this family?

Can't you see a pattern? The families almost always say they weren't doing anything wrong. Around here one went so far as to put up a billboard that says "Coroner's verdict: homicide".

The victim wasn't black, though, so they didn't get a big payout. (Reality: He was loopy on pain meds. His final mistake was handing his gun to the cops barrel first. In hindsight he was handing it, not trying to shoot them.)

 

[laughing dog]

You know the history of this family?

Can't you see a pattern? The families almost always say they weren't doing anything wrong.

In other words, you are literally just making stuff up, since you don't know anything about this family or about what actually happened.

 

[ksen]

You know the history of this family?

Can't you see a pattern? The families almost always say they weren't doing anything wrong. Around here one went so far as to put up a billboard that says "Coroner's verdict: homicide".

The victim wasn't black, though, so they didn't get a big payout. (Reality: He was loopy on pain meds. His final mistake was handing his gun to the cops barrel first. In hindsight he was handing it, not trying to shoot them.)

Oh, I can see a pattern but it's probably not the one you're seeing.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Can't you see a pattern? The families almost always say they weren't doing anything wrong. Around here one went so far as to put up a billboard that says "Coroner's verdict: homicide".

The victim wasn't black, though, so they didn't get a big payout. (Reality: He was loopy on pain meds. His final mistake was handing his gun to the cops barrel first. In hindsight he was handing it, not trying to shoot them.)

Oh, I can see a pattern but it's probably not the one you're seeing.

I'm seeing a pattern that if there's any way the family can spin it that their son (it's always a son) was a victim, not responsible for what happened.

 

[Toni]

Oh, I can see a pattern but it's probably not the one you're seeing.

I'm seeing a pattern that if there's any way the family can spin it that their son (it's always a son) was a victim, not responsible for what happened.

You are forgetting Sandra Bland. Her family thought the world of her, too.

What is different in this case is that the chief of police right away has come out and condemned the actions of the police officer in the shooting of this young man.

What is not surprising and may well be very accurate is that the family of the police officer suffers from PTSD. Doubtless they love him, too, despite his flaws.

It does appear that he has had issues with anger and excess drinking in the past:

http://www.wfaa.com/news/who-is-former-balch-springs-police-officer-roy-oliver/437299019

The world is filled with imperfect people, some of whom struggle very much with some serious issues, including PTSD, substance abuse, anger issues, mental health issues. I think we can all agree that these are difficult issues that result in much pain and suffering and too often, violence and grief.

We need to deal with these issues as a society, as individuals.

Can we also agree that holding preconceived notions about people who may look different than we do, or whose ancestors came from a different corner of the world, who speak a different first language, whose religious practices differ from our are also responsible for pain, suffering, and too often, violence and grief?

Shouldn't this be addressed as well?

 

[Mumbles]

I'm seeing a pattern that if there's any way the family can spin it that their son (it's always a son) was a victim, not responsible for what happened.

You are forgetting Sandra Bland. Her family thought the world of her, too.

And Rekia Boyd. And Aiyana Stanley-Jones. And Malissa Williams. Among quite a few others.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Oh, I can see a pattern but it's probably not the one you're seeing.

I'm seeing a pattern that if there's any way the family can spin it that their son (it's always a son) was a victim, not responsible for what happened.

Funny how you don't see the pattern that if there's any way the police can spin it that their officer plausibly felt threatened then what happened was perfectly justified and actually the victim was at fault for not properly considering the officer's sense of safety.

 

[Derec]

You are forgetting Sandra Bland. Her family thought the world of her, too.

Apparently thinking "the world of her" wasn't enough to actually bail her out.
Bland was a hot mess.

 

[Derec]

And Aiyana Stanley-Jones.

Well her father and uncle did not think enough of her to avoid being murdering thugs (they killed a teenager because he looked at the uncle wrong), which led to the deadly raid in the first place. Her death was certainly a tragedy, but the chief blame for her death lies with those two.

And Malissa Williams. Among quite a few others.

This case shows the idiocy of running from police. You escalate the situation and any misunderstanding can quickly become fatal - such as a backfiring jalopy being interpreted as a gunshot. Also any movement by the car toward the officers can be seen as attempt to run over.
But she was apparently homeless. If her family really "thought the world of her", why not offer her a place to stay?

 

[laughing dog]

You are forgetting Sandra Bland. Her family thought the world of her, too.

Apparently thinking "the world of her" wasn't enough to actually bail her out.
Bland was a hot mess.

So? Dealing with a "hot mess" of a person can be extremely taxing and confusing. It does not mean the family does not still love the person nor does it mean they do not think the world of their child. Anyone with a child or with a basic level of human sympathy ought to be able to understand that.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Oh, I can see a pattern but it's probably not the one you're seeing.

I'm seeing a pattern that if there's any way the family can spin it that their son (it's always a son) was a victim, not responsible for what happened.

Yeah, in general the families aren't handwaving the press away saying "my boy deserved it". Though, you don't see fellow police officers handwaving the press away saying "He wasn't a very good cop."

So we seem to be at an impasse.

 

[Toni]

You are forgetting Sandra Bland. Her family thought the world of her, too.

And Rekia Boyd. And Aiyana Stanley-Jones. And Malissa Williams. Among quite a few others.

Sadly, yes.

 

[Toni]

Well her father and uncle did not think enough of her to avoid being murdering thugs (they killed a teenager because he looked at the uncle wrong), which led to the deadly raid in the first place. Her death was certainly a tragedy, but the chief blame for her death lies with those two.

And Malissa Williams. Among quite a few others.

This case shows the idiocy of running from police. You escalate the situation and any misunderstanding can quickly become fatal - such as a backfiring jalopy being interpreted as a gunshot. Also any movement by the car toward the officers can be seen as attempt to run over.
But she was apparently homeless. If her family really "thought the world of her", why not offer her a place to stay?

Well, Derec, we cannot all descend from perfect beings.

Were you to have a child who were gunned down by police, do you suppose any of us would say "Well, what do you expect? His father frequented prostitutes?"

Or do you not believe that the sins of the father are visited upon the next generations?

Or does that only work with black people?

Seriously: none of these people were wanted for, charged with or convicted of capital crimes. WTF this does not concern you? That police officers are shooting anybody they can claim 'resisted,' or 'made them afraid?'

This should concern ALL of us. Period. It is shameful, dangerous and a threat to our government and freedom and way of life. Not to mention a threat to our actual lives.