Are people already regretting their choice?

[ZiprHead]

Seven percent of people polled right after 2024 election are now claiming they never voted for Trump.

 

[Elixir]

Seven percent of people Trump voters polled right after 2024 election, are now claiming they never voted for Trump.

Fixed for clarity. On the bright side, that’s less than four percent of all voters who are prevaricators. On the dark side, it’s probably just as bad among democrats.

 

[ZiprHead]

TY. Your change is better than my statement.

 

[Elixir]

Prescience can’t keep shit from happening.

 

[ZiprHead]

In case you haven't seen it...

 

[blastula]

The Meriwether Farms owner was in the Trump administration.

 

[Jarhyn]

The Meriwether Farms owner was in the Trump administration.

Screw-worm is terrifying.

It's also, somehow, close enough to check off the "plague of flies whose string causes horrible boils" from my "Shitty Orange Antichrist Play" playbook.

 

[Toni]

The only things anyone in the Tru
P administration is good at are bigotry, racism, lying and grift.

That’s it.

 

[Jarhyn]

Hey Toni, how long do you give it before NWS hits Eurasia?

 

[bilby]

Hey Toni, how long do you give it before NWS hits Eurasia?

Given its isolation to the Americas, I would hazard that if it could get to Eurasia, it already would have.

 

[Toni]

Hey Toni, how long do you give it before NWS hits Eurasia?

NWS??

Sorry: I’m old and slow.

 

[Jarhyn]

Hey Toni, how long do you give it before NWS hits Eurasia?

NWS??

Sorry: I’m old and slow.

New world screw-worm.

Hey Toni, how long do you give it before NWS hits Eurasia?

Given its isolation to the Americas, I would hazard that if it could get to Eurasia, it already would have.

My expectation is that the limiting factor has been import restrictions and inspections.

So while many countries will cease to accept imports of American beef and live cattle, some countries will not, and some farmers will get desperate trying to unload their infected cattle... or worse, until an American air traveler has an eruption of flies.

I will give it maybe 2 months before the administration starts burying reports of the spread of NWS.

The thing isolating it to the Americas was, ironically enough, the US and our persistent dedication to keep it from coming back here. Now that this persistence against infectious diseases is broken, I doubt the existing efforts will be enough to keep it from hopping the pond.

 

[Toni]

Hey Toni, how long do you give it before NWS hits Eurasia?

NWS??

Sorry: I’m old and slow.

New world screw-worm.

Hey Toni, how long do you give it before NWS hits Eurasia?

Given its isolation to the Americas, I would hazard that if it could get to Eurasia, it already would have.

My expectation is that the limiting factor has been import restrictions and inspections.

So while many countries will cease to accept imports of American beef and live cattle, some countries will not, and some farmers will get desperate trying to unload their infected cattle... or worse, until an American air traveler has an eruption of flies.

I will give it maybe 2 months before the administration starts burying reports of the spread of NWS.

The thing isolating it to the Americas was, ironically enough, the US and our persistent dedication to keep it from coming back here. Now that this persistence against infectious diseases is broken, I doubt the existing efforts will be enough to keep it from hopping the pond.

I think you’re right: it is almost inevitable that it will make it across oceans. I have no idea re: time line. I don’t know much about shipping cycles.

Climate change is also changing what pests are confined to what regions. See Chagas.for one example.

More temperate areas have long looked down on warmer climates as being more dirty and disease ridden, largely due to diseases whose vectors stayed in warmer climates. I think we will learn what health burdens and the associated fallouts come with living with parasites.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Hey Toni, how long do you give it before NWS hits Eurasia?

Given its isolation to the Americas, I would hazard that if it could get to Eurasia, it already would have.

You seem to underestimate the exceptionalism of Trump.

 

[ZiprHead]

 

[bilby]

Hey Toni, how long do you give it before NWS hits Eurasia?

Given its isolation to the Americas, I would hazard that if it could get to Eurasia, it already would have.

You seem to underestimate the exceptionalism of Trump.

It has nothing to do with Trump. Biosecurity is the responsibility of the importer; Trump can (and apparently has - no surprise there) fuck this up for the USA, but nobody relies on exporters to get their biosecurity right.

If US livestock, pets, or tourists are at risk of bringing a pest or disease into other countries, those countries can and will restrict imports and/or tourist arrivals as necessary.

This pest has been endemic in Argentina and Brazil, major beef cattle exporters to the world, since forever. As I said, if it could get to Eurasia, it already would have.

Importers tend to be quite good at biosecurity (even when they are rubbish at most of the rest of governance), because it makes an excellent non-tarriff barrier against foreign suppliers undercutting local businesses.

Free trade is ideally a one way street - no barriers for our exports to you, but big barriers for your imports to us - but this is hard to justify. Biosecurity is an excellent justification.

 

[Jarhyn]

Importers tend to be quite good at biosecurity (even when they are rubbish at most of the rest of governance), because it makes an excellent non-tarriff barrier against foreign suppliers undercutting local businesses.

Tell that to COVID. The problem is not the cattle, the problem is the humans and the criminals.

You say countries have good biosecurity, but I do not believe that can really stop a first world country's criminal elements in the way it can stop a third world country's such elements, nor can it really stop the people who own private jets.

 

[Toni]

Importers tend to be quite good at biosecurity (even when they are rubbish at most of the rest of governance), because it makes an excellent non-tarriff barrier against foreign suppliers undercutting local businesses.

Tell that to COVID. The problem is not the cattle, the problem is the humans and the criminals.

You say countries have good biosecurity, but I do not believe that can really stop a first world country's criminal elements in the way it can stop a third world country's such elements, nor can it really stop the people who own private jets.

Virus spread much more readily across borders and continents compared with parasites. Particularly since we don’t screen human travelers for non-symptomatic viral infections they may carry.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Hey Toni, how long do you give it before NWS hits Eurasia?

Given its isolation to the Americas, I would hazard that if it could get to Eurasia, it already would have.

You seem to underestimate the exceptionalism of Trump.

It has nothing to do with Trump.

It has everything to do with Trump. You are acting like the world responds normally to him. Any other person that has done what he has done would be in prison. He never would have been elected. He excretes unfortunate exceptionalism. So I disagree about how this shouldn't become a problem because natural law, because Trump is above natural law. If anybody is capable of doing the incapable that shouldn't even be tried, it is him. If Trump fucked something up so bad that the Sun rose in the west tomorrow, how many of us would really be shocked? Sure, it should be physically impossible, but this is Trump.

 

[Jarhyn]

Importers tend to be quite good at biosecurity (even when they are rubbish at most of the rest of governance), because it makes an excellent non-tarriff barrier against foreign suppliers undercutting local businesses.

Tell that to COVID. The problem is not the cattle, the problem is the humans and the criminals.

You say countries have good biosecurity, but I do not believe that can really stop a first world country's criminal elements in the way it can stop a third world country's such elements, nor can it really stop the people who own private jets.

Virus spread much more readily across borders and continents compared with parasites. Particularly since we don’t screen human travelers for non-symptomatic viral infections they may carry.

In my experience, they don't really screen wealthy white tourists, either.