Are we now in full blown fascist totalitarianism?

[TSwizzle]

Since I have been through the H1B, green card and naturalization process I do know a fair bit about it but have never claimed to be an expert.

I'm glad, because that would be absurd. H1B recipients do not receive any special training on immigration enforcement. You may know a lot about the subjective experience of being a wealthy immigrant, but that doesn't make you any better informed about the role and requirements of a government employee.

I never said or implied any such thing.

 

[Elixir]

‘ must have inferred it.
Just a coincidence.

 

[Politesse]

Since I have been through the H1B, green card and naturalization process I do know a fair bit about it but have never claimed to be an expert.

I'm glad, because that would be absurd. H1B recipients do not receive any special training on immigration enforcement. You may know a lot about the subjective experience of being a wealthy immigrant, but that doesn't make you any better informed about the role and requirements of a government employee.

I never said or implied any such thing.

Well, excellent! I'm glad we were able to satisfactorily resolve the question of your personal honor, regardless of how irrelevant to the thread and obviously hypocritical that whole diversion may have seemed at the time.

 

[TSwizzle]

Since I have been through the H1B, green card and naturalization process I do know a fair bit about it but have never claimed to be an expert.

I'm glad, because that would be absurd. H1B recipients do not receive any special training on immigration enforcement. You may know a lot about the subjective experience of being a wealthy immigrant, but that doesn't make you any better informed about the role and requirements of a government employee.

I never said or implied any such thing.

Well, excellent! I'm glad we were able to satisfactorily resolve the question of your personal honor, regardless of how irrelevant to the thread and obviously hypocritical that whole diversion may have seemed at the time.

When you make shit up and you are corrected on it, a simple thank you is all that is required. Or a or better yet, no response at all.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Why would legal immigrants need to be so coddled when the obvious target is illegal immigrants?

obvious target MY ASS.
ICE is deporting anyone they can grab legal or otherwise.

Nonsense.

You're deep in that river.

Also, do American citizens get this much attention to their needs?

Yes we do.
Those programs are already in place for us to use. (till the Rump admin takes them away)

Eh? It says in the source this initiative is specifically for illegal immigrants.

That's what they say. That's not what happens.

“My administration will not allow our communities to be consumed by fear and uncertainty.

And proceeds to put the fear of death into them with this bs.

He is fighting the fear that ICE and Rump has us in already. And YOU are doing your part to spread the fear.

No. He’s actually creating fear with his proclamations.

It's The Felon who creates fear. He's just responding to the Gestapo.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Yes. Which is why ICE picking people up on the basis of their appearance and failing to immediately initiate a process to determine whether or not they are here legally is and should be completely fucking illegal. What ICE is doing is not law enforcement, it is illegal harassment on the basis of race.

You’re not making sense as usual. Just whining.

He's making perfectly good sense, he's just saying things your faith does not permit you to believe.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

There’s that unconditional trust in the government again. The government is only rounding up illegal immigrants so there is no need for hearings. Just let them ship anybody they declare to be baddies to prison in a foreign country.

People in the USA illegally are generally deported back to their country of residence.

Many are tossed across the border into Mexico where they are kidnapped for ransom.

Your ICE is grabbing people that have papers.

ICE does not belong to me. If ICE do detain people “that have papers” (are in the USA legally) they are released once it has been established they are in the country legally.

They are detaining people that had their documents on them. Taking away the documents and deny they ever saw them.

 

[Patooka]

This is why I suspect he is not actually in the US, but in a t**ll farm in the East.

Meh. Always Calicentric, everything is about what an arrogant prick Newscum is, and never a peep about The Pedo he claims to have voted for.

That's patently false. Swizzle can't shut the fuck up about how insufferable Newscum is, not arrogant.

In a sense, I'm kinda grateful Harris lost. 8 years of Swiz thinking it's fucking comedic genius to say "Kackling Kamala", would truly be insufferable.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

No. He’s actually creating fear with his proclamations.

If this is about legality, why aren't the detainees allowed to defend themselves against the charges laid against them? Deportation without a hearing is not a legal process.

If someone is in the country illegally I’m not sure what their defense could be.

If there is no due process a person that is here legally can't contest detainment.

The process is, “I’m in the USA legally, here is my visa/green card etc” otherwise deportation is initiated.

<Takes green card>
<Deport>

 

[Patooka]

The process is, “I’m in the USA legally, here is my visa/green card etc” otherwise deportation is initiated.

That is not the legal process prescribed by the actual law.

What are you talking about ?

THE LAW.
Look it up. Read and learn for once.

Ease up on Swiz. He's an immigrant who may or may not be living in California illegally. It's entirely possible english is not his first language so there might be a comprehension barrier. Show some empathy.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Well, yes, I do actually.

Male bovine excrement. You think you know but you don't know squat about it.

You know what Faux says.

The unearned hubris you people have is a remarkable... You see some bullshit on TV, and you not only believe it without question you think you're now some sort of cottage expert, knowing more about the subject than actual immigration lawyers and officials!

Since I have been through the H1B, green card and naturalization process I do know a fair bit about it but have never claimed to be an expert.

I've been through it from the other side (sponsor for my wife)--and the agency we dealt with then is nothing like what's going on now. We were treated with considerable suspicion but given a chance to show our side of it and they grudgingly gave her a green card. That's not the reception I would expect now.

 

[ZiprHead]

No. He’s actually creating fear with his proclamations.

If this is about legality, why aren't the detainees allowed to defend themselves against the charges laid against them? Deportation without a hearing is not a legal process.

If someone is in the country illegally I’m not sure what their defense could be.

If there is no due process a person that is here legally can't contest detainment.

The process is, “I’m in the USA legally, here is my visa/green card etc” otherwise deportation is initiated.

FFS! They arrested a woman outside of the courtroom that just granted her citizenship.