Are we now in full blown fascist totalitarianism?

[Politesse]

The process is, “I’m in the USA legally, here is my visa/green card etc” otherwise deportation is initiated.

That is not the legal process prescribed by the actual law. You know, the body of policies, procedures, and ideals duly voted upon by the representative democratic structures of the nation? Not "our responsibility to execute the will of the president" as Todd Lyons so charmingly put it, but the true, actual, written laws of this country? The same rules you yourself supposedly swore to respect and uphold when you moved here.

 

[Elixir]

You have a fetish for brown skin.

I have a nausea for racist trash.

Me too.

Not in evidence.
You even claim to have voted for racist trash.

 

[TSwizzle]

The process is, “I’m in the USA legally, here is my visa/green card etc” otherwise deportation is initiated.

That is not the legal process prescribed by the actual law.

What are you talking about ?

 

[Elixir]

The process is, “I’m in the USA legally, here is my visa/green card etc” otherwise deportation is initiated.

That is not the legal process prescribed by the actual law.

What are you talking about ?

THE LAW.
Look it up. Read and learn for once.

 

[Politesse]

The process is, “I’m in the USA legally, here is my visa/green card etc” otherwise deportation is initiated.

That is not the legal process prescribed by the actual law.

What are you talking about ?

The law. You keep referencing it. But the law isn't an abstract concept based on feelings. It's an actual set of documents, that you as a citizen have a right to help shape and modify, through the mechanism of elected representatives in the legislative branch. And it describes in some detail when and under what circumstances a federal officer is supposed to arrest someone, and what is supposed to happen next.

 

[scombrid]

No. He’s actually creating fear with his proclamations.

If this is about legality, why aren't the detainees allowed to defend themselves against the charges laid against them? Deportation without a hearing is not a legal process.

If someone is in the country illegally I’m not sure what their defense could be.

If there is no due process a person that is here legally can't contest detainment.

The process is, “I’m in the USA legally, here is my visa/green card etc” otherwise deportation is initiated.

You people aren’t even following that process.

 

[TSwizzle]

The process is, “I’m in the USA legally, here is my visa/green card etc” otherwise deportation is initiated.

That is not the legal process prescribed by the actual law.

What are you talking about ?

The law. You keep referencing it.

You just blurt out "the law!!!111!!!!", you haven't got a clue.

But the law isn't an abstract concept based on feelings. It's an actual set of documents, that you as a citizen have a right to help shape and modify, through the mechanism of elected representatives in the legislative branch.

Yeah, because I'm a US citizen. Non US citizens don't have the same rights as a US citizen.

And it describes in some detail when and under what circumstances a federal officer is supposed to arrest someone, and what is supposed to happen next.

You don't know shit about immigration law.

 

[ZiprHead]

You don't know shit about immigration law.

And you, quite apparently, don't know shit about what ICE is actually doing.

 

[Politesse]

The process is, “I’m in the USA legally, here is my visa/green card etc” otherwise deportation is initiated.

That is not the legal process prescribed by the actual law.

What are you talking about ?

The law. You keep referencing it.

You just blurt out "the law!!!111!!!!", you haven't got a clue.

But the law isn't an abstract concept based on feelings. It's an actual set of documents, that you as a citizen have a right to help shape and modify, through the mechanism of elected representatives in the legislative branch.

Yeah, because I'm a US citizen. Non US citizens don't have the same rights as a US citizen.

And it describes in some detail when and under what circumstances a federal officer is supposed to arrest someone, and what is supposed to happen next.

You don't know shit about immigration law.

Well, yes, I do actually. Staying abreast of immigration law and knowing what to advise students on their own situations is a component of my professional responsibilities, as is pursuing opportunities for training and professional development in this area.

The unearned hubris you people have is a remarkable... You see some bullshit on TV, and you not only believe it without question you think you're now some sort of cottage expert, knowing more about the subject than actual immigration lawyers and officials! Your favorite television clown said it, so it must be true. Then you meet someone who actually does know some facts about stuff, and you're all "this is a conspiracy!"

 

[TSwizzle]

Well, yes, I do actually.

Male bovine excrement. You think you know but you don't know squat about it.

The unearned hubris you people have is a remarkable... You see some bullshit on TV, and you not only believe it without question you think you're now some sort of cottage expert, knowing more about the subject than actual immigration lawyers and officials!

Since I have been through the H1B, green card and naturalization process I do know a fair bit about it but have never claimed to be an expert.

Your favorite television clown said it, so it must be true. Then you meet someone who actually does know some facts about stuff, and you're all "this is a conspiracy!"

What facts have you divulged? NONE!

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Since I have been through the H1B, green card and naturalization process I do know a fair bit about it but have never claimed to be an expert.

That knowledge is probably not going to help you in the long run. But fortunately, since you know some English, you will at least be able to communicate with the prison guards in Uganda.

 

[TSwizzle]

No. He’s actually creating fear with his proclamations.

If this is about legality, why aren't the detainees allowed to defend themselves against the charges laid against them? Deportation without a hearing is not a legal process.

If someone is in the country illegally I’m not sure what their defense could be.

If there is no due process a person that is here legally can't contest detainment.

The process is, “I’m in the USA legally, here is my visa/green card etc” otherwise deportation is initiated.

You people aren’t even following that process.

What makes you say that?

 

[bilby]

Yeah, because I'm a US citizen. Non US citizens don't have the same rights as a US citizen.

When it comes to being arrested, by US officers, in the US, yes, they do.

It cannot be otherwise; A US Citizen has the right not to be arrested without probable cause; So all persons in the US must be granted that right, unless the arresting officers have probable cause to believe them to be breaking a law, or the right ceases to exist - as a citizen, you could be arrested without cause, on the sole basis that the arresting officer believed you might not be a citizen.

The requirement for probable cause applies to everybody, or to nobody.

 

[Playball40]

No. He’s actually creating fear with his proclamations.

If this is about legality, why aren't the detainees allowed to defend themselves against the charges laid against them? Deportation without a hearing is not a legal process.

If someone is in the country illegally I’m not sure what their defense could be. But what has that got to do with the mayor’s fear mongering?

Asylum seekers are NOT in the country illegally. Not sure why you keep implying as such.

 

[Playball40]

No. He’s actually creating fear with his proclamations.

If this is about legality, why aren't the detainees allowed to defend themselves against the charges laid against them? Deportation without a hearing is not a legal process.

If someone is in the country illegally I’m not sure what their defense could be.

Proof of legal residence.

wtf are you on about? If a person has legal residency they are not in the country illegally.

Yes. Which is why ICE picking people up on the basis of their appearance and failing to immediately initiate a process to determine whether or not they are here legally is and should be completely fucking illegal. What ICE is doing is not law enforcement, it is illegal harassment on the basis of race.

You’re not making sense as usual. Just whining.

What doesn't make sense? They have detained many people who are here with legal standing. Pretending it's not happening is as bad as saying "I'm just doing my job."

 

[TSwizzle]

If someone is in the country illegally I’m not sure what their defense could be. But what has that got to do with the mayor’s fear mongering?

Asylum seekers are NOT in the country illegally. Not sure why you keep implying as such.

I don't think I said they were but undoubtably many of claims for asylum are going to be bogus and will be denied.

 

[TSwizzle]

They have detained many people who are here with legal standing.

No doubt, it is unfortunate but unavoidable. But once it has been established they are in the USA legally they are released.

 

[Politesse]

Yeah, because I'm a US citizen. Non US citizens don't have the same rights as a US citizen.

When it comes to being arrested, by US officers, in the US, yes, they do.

It cannot be otherwise; A US Citizen has the right not to be arrested without probable cause; So all persons in the US must be granted that right, unless the arresting officers have probable cause to believe them to be breaking a law, or the right ceases to exist - as a citizen, you could be arrested without cause, on the sole basis that the arresting officer believed you might not be a citizen.

The requirement for probable cause applies to everybody, or to nobody.

Point of order. "Probable cause" is the standard for civilian arrests, aka the police, and in many cases it is a more restrictive standard than applies to ICE who are federal agents and who were given startlingly broad authority to question and detain Americans from the beginning days of their agency. Still, even though they do not need to meet the same standards of probable cause as the average citizen, theirs arrests are not ungoverned by law. They do have to have individualized and reasonable suspicion that an individual is here illegally, and in order to detain someone, they must have reason to believe that the individual is an immediate flight risk. In short, these blind sweeps of workplaces, etc, they have been conducting are blatantly illegal, which is why they keep losing court cases pertaining to them. But there are many cases in which an ICE agent could make an arrest that a normal police officer could not make without a warrant, because our slip into fascism did not begin with Trump.

If you're curious about immigration law and ICE's authority, the pertinent legislation is the Immigration and Nationality Act. It's an interesting read in my opinion, an amalgamation of twenty years of somewhat contradictory Cold War Era policy painstakingly reforged into a peacetime regulatory document.

 

[Politesse]

They have detained many people who are here with legal standing.

No doubt, it is unfortunate but unavoidable. But once it has been established they are in the USA legally they are released.

You have a right not to be harassed by the government if there are no specific (and reasonable) questions about your residency status. I would certainly hope that someone falsely arrested would eventually be released, but a citizen or even an undocumented immigrant has rights that go beyond mere immunity from warrantless capital punishment.

 

[Politesse]

Since I have been through the H1B, green card and naturalization process I do know a fair bit about it but have never claimed to be an expert.

I'm glad, because that would be absurd. H1B recipients do not receive any special training on immigration enforcement. You may know a lot about the subjective experience of being a wealthy immigrant, but that doesn't make you any better informed about the role and requirements of a government employee.