Are we now in full blown fascist totalitarianism?

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Fascism is a very sinister ideology. Let's pay attention to the actual fascists. They're a much more serious threat

Perhaps you might take this more seriously if he were invading Köpenhamn, Göteborg, and Stockholm, but then again perhaps you wouldn't.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The problem with calling Trump a fascist is that it relatvises actual fascism. It's the "cry wolf" problem. It's the same thing with calling his policies racist. It relativises actual racism. Has he put in place any laws that limits people based on race? If not, then his policies aren't racist. He can be a racist while his policies aren't racist. To the rape accusation. He hasn't been convicted of rape. So calling him a rapist relativises rape.

The problem with all of this is that it will make us blind to being taken over by actual racist rapist fascist.

You don't need to like Trump to insist that we call him what he actually is, a lying orange clown

The ignorance you display is baffling. What do you use as news sources?


Racist

In 1973, the U.S. Department of Justice sued Donald Trump, his father Fred Trump, and their company, Trump Management, Inc., for allegedly discriminating against Black renters in New York
. Evidence gathered during the investigation showed that prospective Black renters were denied housing, while prospective white renters were offered apartments at the same buildings.
Key details from the lawsuit and settlement include:

Discrimination tactics: Employees at Trump buildings reportedly marked the rental applications of Black prospective tenants with a "C" for "colored" and instructed building staff to lie about apartment availability to Black applicants. A former rental agent for the Trump organization also stated that Donald Trump, in his father's presence, instructed him not to rent to Black individuals.
Government investigation: The Justice Department's case was based on evidence from housing rights "testers" who posed as renters to document discriminatory practices.
Settlement and denial of guilt: The Trumps fought the lawsuit for two years before reaching a settlement in 1975, which did not require them to admit guilt. The consent decree, however, included mandates for the Trumps to advertise apartment vacancies in minority publications, provide the New York Urban League with weekly vacancy lists, and familiarize themselves with the Fair Housing Act.
Further litigation: In 1978, the Justice Department again accused the Trump Organization of failing to comply with the terms of the settlement, and they were later included in another class-action discrimination lawsuit in 198s.

He also spread lies that Haitians in Ohio were "eating the cats and dogs."

He's not passed any racist laws. Or tried to. So there's that.

The above is grasping at straws. He wasn't convicted.

IIUC English is not your first language. Perhaps some simple yes/no questions can help us decipher your dialect.

Question 1: Multiple sources state that Al Capone ordered the deaths of "over 200" people. One source even shows this as an underestimate.

It is believed that Al Capone ordered the death of five hundred men in Chicago.

And yet Al Capone was never convicted of Murder.
Question for Dr. Z: Was Al Capone a murderer?

He's the president. If he was a racist then he would probably pass racist laws.

Has he done that?

You mean enact Executive Orders to get corporations, law firms, colleges/universities to pull back on inclusion programs? Yes, he did that.

Did he pass any racist legislation? He is the President, he doesn't pass legislation.

Did he sign any racist legislation? No. Course, he has only signed 2 bills since early June.

Yeah, the proud boys are fascist. But they don't have extra legal status, nor are protected by Trump. When they fuck up they get arrested. Sure, a lot of them were pardoned. But Trump isn't systematically protecting them

Fascism is a very sinister ideology. Let's pay attention to the actual fascists. They're a much more serious threat

Well them and those that gas light for them.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Fascism is a very sinister ideology. Let's pay attention to the actual fascists. They're a much more serious threat

Perhaps you might take this more seriously if he were invading Köpenhamn, Göteborg, and Stockholm, but then again perhaps you wouldn't.

These are the kinds of people who would deny a Holocaust is happening as it's happening.

 

[Politesse]

The problem with calling Trump a fascist is that it relatvises actual fascism. It's the "cry wolf" problem. It's the same thing with calling his policies racist. It relativises actual racism. Has he put in place any laws that limits people based on race? If not, then his policies aren't racist. He can be a racist while his policies aren't racist. To the rape accusation. He hasn't been convicted of rape. So calling him a rapist relativises rape.

The problem with all of this is that it will make us blind to being taken over by actual racist rapist fascist.

You don't need to like Trump to insist that we call him what he actually is, a lying orange clown

Huh?

How is he not a fascist? He's rapidly turning our government into fascism.

This is like calling someone who was rude to you once for a narcisist.

Fascism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It's just hyperbole. Yes, there's fascist traits. But he's right at the top of a slippery slope, that's not particularly slippery.

Not a racist? You realize some of his crowd have admitted they intend to purge the country of non-whites?

Where are the racist laws that he's passed?

Not a rapist? He's admitted to rape.

No, he hasn't. Don't relativise rape. It's a serious crime. Not cool.

Whereas sexual assault is not? What the fuck is your problem?

Answer the question: Do you think it is acceptable to sexually violate someone with your fingers or an object? And before this specific opportunity to defend the president came up, would you or would you not have considered it rape to do so?

Now you're changing the subject. He's a sexual predator. You'll have no argument from me on that. But calling him a rapist is hyperbole.

My problem is with the hyperbole. Everyone you don't like isn't Hitler. I don't like Trump either. But he's done plenty of actually questionable stuff. There's no need to exagerate or make stuff up.

I'm not changing the fucking subject. That is what the court concluded he had done. Say it in plain English. Do you or you not consider it a "serious crime" to jam your fingers or an object into a woman's vagina without her consent or not? Why is it hard for you come to a moral conclusion about this? It should be a very simple answer.

Rape apologists are scum.

 

[Swammerdami]

The problem with calling Trump a fascist is that it relatvises actual fascism. It's the "cry wolf" problem. It's the same thing with calling his policies racist. It relativises actual racism. Has he put in place any laws that limits people based on race? If not, then his policies aren't racist. He can be a racist while his policies aren't racist. To the rape accusation. He hasn't been convicted of rape. So calling him a rapist relativises rape.

The problem with all of this is that it will make us blind to being taken over by actual racist rapist fascist.

You don't need to like Trump to insist that we call him what he actually is, a lying orange clown

The ignorance you display is baffling. What do you use as news sources?


Racist

In 1973, the U.S. Department of Justice sued Donald Trump, his father Fred Trump, and their company, Trump Management, Inc., for allegedly discriminating against Black renters in New York
. Evidence gathered during the investigation showed that prospective Black renters were denied housing, while prospective white renters were offered apartments at the same buildings.
Key details from the lawsuit and settlement include:

Discrimination tactics: Employees at Trump buildings reportedly marked the rental applications of Black prospective tenants with a "C" for "colored" and instructed building staff to lie about apartment availability to Black applicants. A former rental agent for the Trump organization also stated that Donald Trump, in his father's presence, instructed him not to rent to Black individuals.
Government investigation: The Justice Department's case was based on evidence from housing rights "testers" who posed as renters to document discriminatory practices.
Settlement and denial of guilt: The Trumps fought the lawsuit for two years before reaching a settlement in 1975, which did not require them to admit guilt. The consent decree, however, included mandates for the Trumps to advertise apartment vacancies in minority publications, provide the New York Urban League with weekly vacancy lists, and familiarize themselves with the Fair Housing Act.
Further litigation: In 1978, the Justice Department again accused the Trump Organization of failing to comply with the terms of the settlement, and they were later included in another class-action discrimination lawsuit in 198s.

He also spread lies that Haitians in Ohio were "eating the cats and dogs."

He's not passed any racist laws. Or tried to. So there's that.

The above is grasping at straws. He wasn't convicted.

IIUC English is not your first language. Perhaps some simple yes/no questions can help us decipher your dialect.

Question 1: Multiple sources state that Al Capone ordered the deaths of "over 200" people. One source even shows this as an underestimate.

It is believed that Al Capone ordered the death of five hundred men in Chicago.

And yet Al Capone was never convicted of Murder.
Question for Dr. Z: Was Al Capone a murderer?

He's the president. If he was a racist then he would probably pass racist laws.

Has he done that?

Do you think his voter base wants him to pass racist laws?

What's stopping him?

You got nothing other than that he’s a gross person

Rapist
Many women have accused Trump of physical sexual harassment or rape. Trump has bragged of "grabbing pussy." Judge Lewis Kaplan ruled against Trump in Case 1:22-cv-10016-LAK. His legal opinion of Trump's misdeed couldn't be clearer than his comment that "As is obvious, the central issue in both Carroll I and Carroll II is exactly the same– whether Mr. Trump raped Ms. Carroll."

He's obviously an entitled and horrible person. That's not the same thing as being a rapist. Until he's convicted it's not cool to call him a rapist. It relativises rape.

I enlarged Judge Kaplan's legal opinion for your benefit. The Judge found for the Plaintiff, while clearly stating that he could find for the plaintiff ONLY if Trump committed rape. (Criminal Rape was not charged in the lawsuit for several simple-to-understand reasons.) Can you paraphrase the reddened sentence into your native tongue for our perusal? It may help us get to the bottom of your poor English comprehension.

I think you're the one struggling with your English.

He wasn't convicted. Rape is a serious crime. Its important to get it right.

Its also not cool smearing someone as a rapist if they're not convicted

Fascist
Most sentient observers regard the actions of the present Trump Administration as obviously "fascist." But that word is rather ambiguous. Rather than wasting effort in pointless rejoindering, YOU offer a definition of "fascism" and explain why YOU think Trump's fascism doesn't qualify.


Your turn, Dr. Z.

other people have done the work for me

Definitions of fascism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

There's many factors. But the big one, which is missing in USA is a violent overtly anti-democratic mass movement.

Wow! I was being a bit "cute" about your lousy comprehension, but now you PROVE utter inability to read English. Is there no Wikipedia for a language you are competent in? The English article you link to begins:

What constitutes a definition of fascism and fascist governments has been a complicated and highly disputed subject concerning the exact nature of fascism and its core tenets debated amongst historians, political scientists, and other scholars ever since Benito Mussolini first used the term in 1915.

The article "Definitions_of_fascism" contains no less than Thirty-four (34 -- almost three Dozen) definitions of "fascism." (I've espoused yet a 35th definition, to wit the one Madeleine Albright uses in her book titled Fascism.)

So do you pretend that a significant portion of the Thirty-five (35) definitions are compatible with your flawed claims? The word "violent" occurs only Two (2) times among the 35 definitions, and one of the two mentions refers only to "violent rhetoric."

British historian Ian Kershaw, while noting the difficulties in defining fascism, found [several] common factors in the extreme Right-wing movements of the late 1920s and early 1930s ...

• complete destruction of political enemies – through radical and violent means ...

...
...
Zeev Sternhell, a historian and professor of political science, described fascism as a reaction against modernity and a backlash against the changes it had caused to society...  At the same time, Sternhell argued that part of what made Fascism unique was that it wanted to retain the benefits of progress and modernism while rejecting the values and social changes that had come with it; Fascism embraced liberal market-based economics and the violent revolutionary rhetoric of Marxism ...

ONE of the 35 definitions, though confined to "the late 1920's and early 1930's", sort of supports Dr. Z's claim. The other 34 definitions do not. Is that how scholarly understanding works? Pick and choose the phrases you like from the writings of 35 often contradictory articles?

Calling him a fascist is absurd. He's not.

Wrong again! And, although your summary of the DefinitionS of Fascism is absurdly narrow-minded and wrong, Trump certainly does preach violence. He's solicited help from neo-Nazi groups like The Proud Boys. He encourages masked plain-clothes cops to arrest innocent "suspects." He literally declares "War" against America cities like Chicago and Portland.

Wow! An ignorant Trumplicker on another continent who doesn't even know he's a Trumplicker! Seriously: @DrZoidberg : Where do you get your "news"?

Is Trumpism running rampant in Europe? May the Omnidog save us!

Yeah, the proud boys are fascist. But they don't have extra legal status, nor are protected by Trump. When they fuck up they get arrested. Sure, a lot of them were pardoned. But Trump isn't systematically protecting them

Fascism is a very sinister ideology. Let's pay attention to the actual fascists. They're a much more serious threat

I refuted Every.Single.One of your claims, and you simply repeated them. You were unable to read or comprehend my explanations.

At this point I really think it best that you restrict your babbling to boards using a language in which you are conversant. If you insist on joining the debate here, I suggest you translate posts you don't understand and then write in a language you do understand. Google Translate understands English better than you do.

 

[Swammerdami]

IIUC English is not your first language. Perhaps some simple yes/no questions can help us decipher your dialect.

Question 1: Multiple sources state that Al Capone ordered the deaths of "over 200" people. One source even shows this as an underestimate.

It is believed that Al Capone ordered the death of five hundred men in Chicago.

And yet Al Capone was never convicted of Murder.
Question for Dr. Z: Was Al Capone a murderer?

He's the president. If he was a racist then he would probably pass racist laws.

Is your English REALLY this bad? I asked a simple question to help us judge whether you even know what words like "rapist" or "murderer" mean in English.

You respond by claiming that Al Capone "is the president." Do you see why your English comprehension, or rather lack thereof, is concerning?

 

[Elixir]

He's obviously an entitled and horrible person. That's not the same thing as being a rapist. Until he's convicted it's not cool to call him a rapist. It relativises rape.

He’s a rapist. All the apologetics in your isolated little world don’t change that fact.
Nor will it change the FACT that the FACT that Trump is a rapist has been adjudicated and has been found to be so.

If the “relative” nature of rape bothers you, Zoid, don’t rape your relatives. Even Trump shows a little restraint while vocally lusting after his own daughter. And he’s a disgusting excuse for a human being.

 

[Swammerdami]

Both communism and fascism want to go back to an imagined earlier time where we didn't have choices to make.

I'm afraid I have NOT studied The Words of Doctor Zee.
But this sentence jumped out and caught my eye.
It is so very wrong -- so relentlessly ill-informed -- that we now know that Dr. Z, who posted links to "Definitions of Fascism" did not read or understand a single word of those definitions.

 

[Elixir]

 

[Elixir]

Trump has caused the self fulfillment of his dystopic vision.

Lawless gangs of armed thugs are now roaming the streets of our cities,
terrorizing citizens, kidnapping and disappearing people.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Trump has caused the self fulfillment of his dystopic vision.

Lawless gangs of armed thugs are now roaming the streets of our cities,
terrorizing citizens, kidnapping and disappearing people.

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And we know that Kristi doesn't know what Habeas Corpus is either.

“right that the president has to be able to remove people from this country.”

 

[Playball40]

The problem with calling Trump a fascist is that it relatvises actual fascism. It's the "cry wolf" problem. It's the same thing with calling his policies racist. It relativises actual racism. Has he put in place any laws that limits people based on race? If not, then his policies aren't racist. He can be a racist while his policies aren't racist. To the rape accusation. He hasn't been convicted of rape. So calling him a rapist relativises rape.

The problem with all of this is that it will make us blind to being taken over by actual racist rapist fascist.

You don't need to like Trump to insist that we call him what he actually is, a lying orange clown

The ignorance you display is baffling. What do you use as news sources?


Racist

In 1973, the U.S. Department of Justice sued Donald Trump, his father Fred Trump, and their company, Trump Management, Inc., for allegedly discriminating against Black renters in New York
. Evidence gathered during the investigation showed that prospective Black renters were denied housing, while prospective white renters were offered apartments at the same buildings.
Key details from the lawsuit and settlement include:

Discrimination tactics: Employees at Trump buildings reportedly marked the rental applications of Black prospective tenants with a "C" for "colored" and instructed building staff to lie about apartment availability to Black applicants. A former rental agent for the Trump organization also stated that Donald Trump, in his father's presence, instructed him not to rent to Black individuals.
Government investigation: The Justice Department's case was based on evidence from housing rights "testers" who posed as renters to document discriminatory practices.
Settlement and denial of guilt: The Trumps fought the lawsuit for two years before reaching a settlement in 1975, which did not require them to admit guilt. The consent decree, however, included mandates for the Trumps to advertise apartment vacancies in minority publications, provide the New York Urban League with weekly vacancy lists, and familiarize themselves with the Fair Housing Act.
Further litigation: In 1978, the Justice Department again accused the Trump Organization of failing to comply with the terms of the settlement, and they were later included in another class-action discrimination lawsuit in 198s.

He also spread lies that Haitians in Ohio were "eating the cats and dogs."

He's not passed any racist laws. Or tried to. So there's that.

The above is grasping at straws. He wasn't convicted.

IIUC English is not your first language. Perhaps some simple yes/no questions can help us decipher your dialect.

Question 1: Multiple sources state that Al Capone ordered the deaths of "over 200" people. One source even shows this as an underestimate.

It is believed that Al Capone ordered the death of five hundred men in Chicago.

And yet Al Capone was never convicted of Murder.
Question for Dr. Z: Was Al Capone a murderer?

He's the president. If he was a racist then he would probably pass racist laws.

Has he done that?

Do you think his voter base wants him to pass racist laws?

What's stopping him?

You got nothing other than that he’s a gross person

Rapist
Many women have accused Trump of physical sexual harassment or rape. Trump has bragged of "grabbing pussy." Judge Lewis Kaplan ruled against Trump in Case 1:22-cv-10016-LAK. His legal opinion of Trump's misdeed couldn't be clearer than his comment that "As is obvious, the central issue in both Carroll I and Carroll II is exactly the same– whether Mr. Trump raped Ms. Carroll."

He's obviously an entitled and horrible person. That's not the same thing as being a rapist. Until he's convicted it's not cool to call him a rapist. It relativises rape.

I enlarged Judge Kaplan's legal opinion for your benefit. The Judge found for the Plaintiff, while clearly stating that he could find for the plaintiff ONLY if Trump committed rape. (Criminal Rape was not charged in the lawsuit for several simple-to-understand reasons.) Can you paraphrase the reddened sentence into your native tongue for our perusal? It may help us get to the bottom of your poor English comprehension.

I think you're the one struggling with your English.

He wasn't convicted. Rape is a serious crime. Its important to get it right.

Its also not cool smearing someone as a rapist if they're not convicted

Fascist
Most sentient observers regard the actions of the present Trump Administration as obviously "fascist." But that word is rather ambiguous. Rather than wasting effort in pointless rejoindering, YOU offer a definition of "fascism" and explain why YOU think Trump's fascism doesn't qualify.


Your turn, Dr. Z.

other people have done the work for me

Definitions of fascism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

There's many factors. But the big one, which is missing in USA is a violent overtly anti-democratic mass movement.

Wow! I was being a bit "cute" about your lousy comprehension, but now you PROVE utter inability to read English. Is there no Wikipedia for a language you are competent in? The English article you link to begins:

What constitutes a definition of fascism and fascist governments has been a complicated and highly disputed subject concerning the exact nature of fascism and its core tenets debated amongst historians, political scientists, and other scholars ever since Benito Mussolini first used the term in 1915.

The article "Definitions_of_fascism" contains no less than Thirty-four (34 -- almost three Dozen) definitions of "fascism." (I've espoused yet a 35th definition, to wit the one Madeleine Albright uses in her book titled Fascism.)

So do you pretend that a significant portion of the Thirty-five (35) definitions are compatible with your flawed claims? The word "violent" occurs only Two (2) times among the 35 definitions, and one of the two mentions refers only to "violent rhetoric."

British historian Ian Kershaw, while noting the difficulties in defining fascism, found [several] common factors in the extreme Right-wing movements of the late 1920s and early 1930s ...

• complete destruction of political enemies – through radical and violent means ...

...
...
Zeev Sternhell, a historian and professor of political science, described fascism as a reaction against modernity and a backlash against the changes it had caused to society...  At the same time, Sternhell argued that part of what made Fascism unique was that it wanted to retain the benefits of progress and modernism while rejecting the values and social changes that had come with it; Fascism embraced liberal market-based economics and the violent revolutionary rhetoric of Marxism ...

ONE of the 35 definitions, though confined to "the late 1920's and early 1930's", sort of supports Dr. Z's claim. The other 34 definitions do not. Is that how scholarly understanding works? Pick and choose the phrases you like from the writings of 35 often contradictory articles?

Calling him a fascist is absurd. He's not.

Wrong again! And, although your summary of the DefinitionS of Fascism is absurdly narrow-minded and wrong, Trump certainly does preach violence. He's solicited help from neo-Nazi groups like The Proud Boys. He encourages masked plain-clothes cops to arrest innocent "suspects." He literally declares "War" against America cities like Chicago and Portland.

Wow! An ignorant Trumplicker on another continent who doesn't even know he's a Trumplicker! Seriously: @DrZoidberg : Where do you get your "news"?

Is Trumpism running rampant in Europe? May the Omnidog save us!

Yeah, the proud boys are fascist. But they don't have extra legal status, nor are protected by Trump. When they fuck up they get arrested. Sure, a lot of them were pardoned. But Trump isn't systematically protecting them

Fascism is a very sinister ideology. Let's pay attention to the actual fascists. They're a much more serious threat

I refuted Every.Single.One of your claims, and you simply repeated them. You were unable to read or comprehend my explanations.

At this point I really think it best that you restrict your babbling to boards using a language in which you are conversant. If you insist on joining the debate here, I suggest you translate posts you don't understand and then write in a language you do understand. Google Translate understands English better than you do.

Let's put it this way. If someone repeatedly rams a baseball bat up your bunghole, have you been raped??

 

[DrZoidberg]

Both communism and fascism want to go back to an imagined earlier time where we didn't have choices to make.

I'm afraid I have NOT studied The Words of Doctor Zee.
But this sentence jumped out and caught my eye.
It is so very wrong -- so relentlessly ill-informed -- that we now know that Dr. Z, who posted links to "Definitions of Fascism" did not read or understand a single word of those definitions.

Lol. If you say so

 

[DrZoidberg]

IIUC English is not your first language. Perhaps some simple yes/no questions can help us decipher your dialect.

Question 1: Multiple sources state that Al Capone ordered the deaths of "over 200" people. One source even shows this as an underestimate.

It is believed that Al Capone ordered the death of five hundred men in Chicago.

And yet Al Capone was never convicted of Murder.
Question for Dr. Z: Was Al Capone a murderer?

He's the president. If he was a racist then he would probably pass racist laws.

Is your English REALLY this bad? I asked a simple question to help us judge whether you even know what words like "rapist" or "murderer" mean in English.

You respond by claiming that Al Capone "is the president." Do you see why your English comprehension, or rather lack thereof, is concerning?

No I didn’t

 

[DrZoidberg]

The problem with calling Trump a fascist is that it relatvises actual fascism. It's the "cry wolf" problem. It's the same thing with calling his policies racist. It relativises actual racism. Has he put in place any laws that limits people based on race? If not, then his policies aren't racist. He can be a racist while his policies aren't racist. To the rape accusation. He hasn't been convicted of rape. So calling him a rapist relativises rape.

The problem with all of this is that it will make us blind to being taken over by actual racist rapist fascist.

You don't need to like Trump to insist that we call him what he actually is, a lying orange clown

Huh?

How is he not a fascist? He's rapidly turning our government into fascism.

This is like calling someone who was rude to you once for a narcisist.

Fascism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It's just hyperbole. Yes, there's fascist traits. But he's right at the top of a slippery slope, that's not particularly slippery.

Not a racist? You realize some of his crowd have admitted they intend to purge the country of non-whites?

Where are the racist laws that he's passed?

Not a rapist? He's admitted to rape.

No, he hasn't. Don't relativise rape. It's a serious crime. Not cool.

Whereas sexual assault is not? What the fuck is your problem?

Answer the question: Do you think it is acceptable to sexually violate someone with your fingers or an object? And before this specific opportunity to defend the president came up, would you or would you not have considered it rape to do so?

Now you're changing the subject. He's a sexual predator. You'll have no argument from me on that. But calling him a rapist is hyperbole.

My problem is with the hyperbole. Everyone you don't like isn't Hitler. I don't like Trump either. But he's done plenty of actually questionable stuff. There's no need to exagerate or make stuff up.

I'm not changing the fucking subject. That is what the court concluded he had done. Say it in plain English. Do you or you not consider it a "serious crime" to jam your fingers or an object into a woman's vagina without her consent or not? Why is it hard for you come to a moral conclusion about this? It should be a very simple answer.

Rape apologists are scum.

So when did he go to jail for rape? If he was convicted then that's what would have happened, right?

Please stay on the topic. You seem to struggle with staying on the topic of rape

 

[DrZoidberg]

Fascism is a very sinister ideology. Let's pay attention to the actual fascists. They're a much more serious threat

Perhaps you might take this more seriously if he were invading Köpenhamn, Göteborg, and Stockholm, but then again perhaps you wouldn't.

Denmark was occupied by the Nazis. I can just walk down the road and look at Nazi era graffiti scrawled on a wall next to the guard post where German guards used to stand guard. The Nazi era prisons and execution grounds can be visited. The gestapo head quarters. I've been there. Right here in the city where I live.

Its hard to avoid reminders of life under Nazism.

Trump isn't even close to being a fascist. He's a spoiled self-entitled child acting out. There's no ideology behind him. There's no plan.

He's not even an authoritarian leader. He doesn't have the clout. He's a joke.

The only thing he's going to murder is the US economy with his dumb tariffs

 

[Elixir]

The only thing he's going to murder is the US economy

No clout, but can murder the US economy with illegal tariffs?! How many relics of naziism do y’all have from 1933? ‘Cuz that’s where we are.

 

[Politesse]

The problem with calling Trump a fascist is that it relatvises actual fascism. It's the "cry wolf" problem. It's the same thing with calling his policies racist. It relativises actual racism. Has he put in place any laws that limits people based on race? If not, then his policies aren't racist. He can be a racist while his policies aren't racist. To the rape accusation. He hasn't been convicted of rape. So calling him a rapist relativises rape.

The problem with all of this is that it will make us blind to being taken over by actual racist rapist fascist.

You don't need to like Trump to insist that we call him what he actually is, a lying orange clown

Huh?

How is he not a fascist? He's rapidly turning our government into fascism.

This is like calling someone who was rude to you once for a narcisist.

Fascism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It's just hyperbole. Yes, there's fascist traits. But he's right at the top of a slippery slope, that's not particularly slippery.

Not a racist? You realize some of his crowd have admitted they intend to purge the country of non-whites?

Where are the racist laws that he's passed?

Not a rapist? He's admitted to rape.

No, he hasn't. Don't relativise rape. It's a serious crime. Not cool.

Whereas sexual assault is not? What the fuck is your problem?

Answer the question: Do you think it is acceptable to sexually violate someone with your fingers or an object? And before this specific opportunity to defend the president came up, would you or would you not have considered it rape to do so?

Now you're changing the subject. He's a sexual predator. You'll have no argument from me on that. But calling him a rapist is hyperbole.

My problem is with the hyperbole. Everyone you don't like isn't Hitler. I don't like Trump either. But he's done plenty of actually questionable stuff. There's no need to exagerate or make stuff up.

I'm not changing the fucking subject. That is what the court concluded he had done. Say it in plain English. Do you or you not consider it a "serious crime" to jam your fingers or an object into a woman's vagina without her consent or not? Why is it hard for you come to a moral conclusion about this? It should be a very simple answer.

Rape apologists are scum.

So when did he go to jail for rape? If he was convicted then that's what would have happened, right?

Please stay on the topic. You seem to struggle with staying on the topic of rape

The topic is what he did. Why are you having so much trouble saying that sexual assault is a serious crime?

 

[laughing dog]

The problem with calling Trump a fascist is that it relatvises actual fascism. It's the "cry wolf" problem. It's the same thing with calling his policies racist. It relativises actual racism. Has he put in place any laws that limits people based on race? If not, then his policies aren't racist. He can be a racist while his policies aren't racist. To the rape accusation. He hasn't been convicted of rape. So calling him a rapist relativises rape.

The problem with all of this is that it will make us blind to being taken over by actual racist rapist fascist.

You don't need to like Trump to insist that we call him what he actually is, a lying orange clown

Huh?

How is he not a fascist? He's rapidly turning our government into fascism.

This is like calling someone who was rude to you once for a narcisist.

Fascism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It's just hyperbole. Yes, there's fascist traits. But he's right at the top of a slippery slope, that's not particularly slippery.

Not a racist? You realize some of his crowd have admitted they intend to purge the country of non-whites?

Where are the racist laws that he's passed?

Not a rapist? He's admitted to rape.

No, he hasn't. Don't relativise rape. It's a serious crime. Not cool.

Whereas sexual assault is not? What the fuck is your problem?

Answer the question: Do you think it is acceptable to sexually violate someone with your fingers or an object? And before this specific opportunity to defend the president came up, would you or would you not have considered it rape to do so?

Now you're changing the subject. He's a sexual predator. You'll have no argument from me on that. But calling him a rapist is hyperbole.

My problem is with the hyperbole. Everyone you don't like isn't Hitler. I don't like Trump either. But he's done plenty of actually questionable stuff. There's no need to exagerate or make stuff up.

I'm not changing the fucking subject. That is what the court concluded he had done. Say it in plain English. Do you or you not consider it a "serious crime" to jam your fingers or an object into a woman's vagina without her consent or not? Why is it hard for you come to a moral conclusion about this? It should be a very simple answer.

Rape apologists are scum.

So when did he go to jail for rape? If he was convicted then that's what would have happened, right?

Please stay on the topic. You seem to struggle with staying on the topic of rape

The topic is what he did. Why are you having so much trouble saying that sexual assault is a serious crime?

Don't ask questions that you don't want to hear the answer to.

 

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Rutgers Expert on Antifa Tries to Flee to Spain After Death Threats

Mark Bray was teaching courses on antifascism. Turning Point USA accused him of belonging to antifa, which he denies. His flight to Spain was canceled abruptly on Wednesday night.

www.nytimes.com

So much for "free speech". Once again, will be zero pushback against this from right wingers.