Are we now in full blown fascist totalitarianism?

[TSwizzle]

That did not happen here.

So it is claimed.

How many fucking times do I have to repeat myself?

Pay attention to what is being said.

 

[Elixir]

BTW, minutes of immigration hearings are generally available through a FOIA request.
Not now though - there are no hearings. People are deported within a day.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The more I think about it, the more disturbing it becomes.

+1
It makes my mind automatically try to project some limit to lawlessness that might restrain the current junta. But there is none, unless someone with decent eyesight wants to sacrifice themself to a second amendment solution.

We are fucked.

Our last line of defense is the courts, but it is looking more fragile by the day. There is a way for them to enforce civil contempt outside the jurisdiction of the executive. Good article here:

If the Marshals Go Rogue, Courts Have Other Ways to Enforce their Orders

Opinion | Even a rogue marshal’s service is not an insurmountable obstacle to courts enforcing the rule of law.

www.democracydocket.com

The question then becomes, do individual judges stick their necks out to punish the administration, or does fear of the consequences of the inevitable attacks by the administration and their congressional lackeys deter them from taking any serious action? The people need to start rising up before all is truly lost, which may give some courage back to congress and the judiciary.

Judges? More of an issue is what happens to whoever they deputize.

 

[Elixir]

If that were true then there would never need to be hearings for anyone held by ICE

As it is it can take months. So, @TSwizzle how did all those people (no info on how many, and I'd be surprised if any of the SHithole officers know) get deported virtually overnight?

We we have here is a rogue administration with no restraints.

Courts’ power of contempt — the inherent power to compel compliance with orders and punish actions that obstruct the administration of justice — is ultimately backstopped by their ability to jail people who defy their orders. There’d be no issue if judges themselves made arrests, but the courts’ enforcement arm, the U.S. Marshal’s Service, reports to both the courts and the attorney general. The marshals’ position within the executive branch has led commenters to predict that, if a court orders the arrest of a defiant executive branch official, the White House or Attorney General Pam Bondi will revoke the order and the courts will “run out of options.”

Voilá, a Royal Shithole.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

And I have already said Trump's boys are getting a bit creative with the laws and he may be reigned in.

The Reich wing isn't creative. They are just doing the same things that have always been done in history.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Oh, come on, if having a tattoo isn't suffficient proof that someone is a terrorist, what would be??

Last time I checked*, only violent criminals and sailors got tattoos.






* 1952

Depends on the tattoo. If they're gang tattoos that's a pretty good indication. Not that I trust ICE to actually recognize a gang tattoo.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

*sniff*, *sniff* what's that smell? Ah yes, the unmistakable whiff of male bovine excrement.

Is this denying that the actions happened, or is it saying the actions are proper?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

UK backpacker in US chained 'like Hannibal Lecter' for doing chores at the house she was staying at:

She was deported because she was in violation of her visa. Which was probably the I-94 tourist visa waver.

TSwizzle you may be cruel and a sicko but even from a rational psychopath standpoint this is likely to end up bring a political loser for your orange God.

Orange God? What are you talking about? Trump? Why would Trump be my god?

Rationally do you prefer cruelty and sadism more than political support for the orange God?

Why do you think it is wrong to deport violent criminals?

There is no reason to think she was a violent criminal. She went a little over the line on what's permitted on a tourist visa, while I do not have a problem with her being deported I have a big problem with how it was done.

 

[Axulus]

Here's a little sliver of hope:



Who are the 8% of Dems who don't believe Trump should follow court rulings when they go against him? WTF? This could easily change though if the Trump admin unambiguously defies a court order and his administration and MAGA media go into full propaganda mode justifying it and attacking the judges and courts.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

If that were true then there would never need to be hearings for anyone held by ICE

As it is it can take months. So, @TSwizzle how did all those people (no info on how many, and I'd be surprised if any of the SHithole officers know) get deported virtually overnight?

We we have here is a rogue administration with no restraints.

Courts’ power of contempt — the inherent power to compel compliance with orders and punish actions that obstruct the administration of justice — is ultimately backstopped by their ability to jail people who defy their orders. There’d be no issue if judges themselves made arrests, but the courts’ enforcement arm, the U.S. Marshal’s Service, reports to both the courts and the attorney general. The marshals’ position within the executive branch has led commenters to predict that, if a court orders the arrest of a defiant executive branch official, the White House or Attorney General Pam Bondi will revoke the order and the courts will “run out of options.”

Voilá, a Royal Shithole.

It really goes to show how some people have no moral compass.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

That did not happen here.

So it is claimed.

How many fucking times do I have to repeat myself?

Pay attention to what is being said.

You haven't. Trump Admin lawyers ceded that not all of those deported to a prison in El Salvador had a criminal record in the US.

 

[Axulus]

If that were true then there would never need to be hearings for anyone held by ICE

As it is it can take months. So, @TSwizzle how did all those people (no info on how many, and I'd be surprised if any of the SHithole officers know) get deported virtually overnight?

We we have here is a rogue administration with no restraints.

Courts’ power of contempt — the inherent power to compel compliance with orders and punish actions that obstruct the administration of justice — is ultimately backstopped by their ability to jail people who defy their orders. There’d be no issue if judges themselves made arrests, but the courts’ enforcement arm, the U.S. Marshal’s Service, reports to both the courts and the attorney general. The marshals’ position within the executive branch has led commenters to predict that, if a court orders the arrest of a defiant executive branch official, the White House or Attorney General Pam Bondi will revoke the order and the courts will “run out of options.”

Voilá, a Royal Shithole.

It really goes to show how some people have no moral compass.

For those deep in MAGA, Trump is their moral compass. It is moral if Trump commands it. It is immoral if Trump prohibits it. Truth and facts are also what Trump says they are.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I don't like posting YouTube Links, but this is worth the watch. Need to watch it all though for a thorough review of this.

 

[Axulus]

A good video by Tim Miller summarizing the case I brought up earlier today:

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Oh, come on, if having a tattoo isn't suffficient proof that someone is a terrorist, what would be??

Last time I checked*, only violent criminals and sailors got tattoos.

* 1952

Depends on the tattoo. If they're gang tattoos that's a pretty good indication. Not that I trust ICE to actually recognize a gang tattoo.

A lot of people in gangs get tattoos, but that doesn't make them gang tattoos unless it is a specific identifying-kind of thing for the gang. Hypothetical: Latin Kings could have a specific kind of crown with so many points and possibly a specific word or initials like LK. Crowns are also common culturally and could have nothing to do with Latin Kings or any gang at all. In the case of a gang like Tren de Aragua you would think a tattoo of a train would be more identifying to the gang, right? The soccer team logo has a crown, though:

The initials below stand for Madrid Club Futbol, nothing to do with trains. You can't mistake that for a different gang tattoo either like Latin King type symbol. It doesn't look like it.

Now speaking of Tren de Aragua they do not have an identifying gang tattoo. Like I wrote, someone who has a train tattoo with something else like initials of the gang or whatever you could conclude is a member, but they do NOT have any such tattoos in use.

Here is an article with EIGHT PEOPLE listed as arrested and disappeared for being Venezuelan males with tattoos:

‘Deported because of his tattoos’: has the US targeted Venezuelans for their body art?

US claims tattoos prove membership of Tren de Aragua gang but relatives describe tributes to God, family and Real Madrid

www.theguardian.com

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Are you fucking kidding me? People are in prison for sporting a Real Madrid tattoo?

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

It's really any tattoo.

"Look, that guy is Venezuelan and he has tattoos! He must be in a gang!"

OR worse it's an AI program deciding for them.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Shown step by step that several were here legally seeking asylum (one was escaping Maduro's prison torture, for example), had comitted no crimes, and had no gang affiliation, and their 5th amendment right was violated.

Eh? Where? It's possible I suppose but I can't see where you brought this specific person to my attention.

Are you being serious or are you just fucking with me?

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Mar 20, 2025

A professional soccer player tortured by the Maduro regime for participating in two protests, seeking asylum, was disappeared based on a tattoo of his favorite soccer team and this image from social media based in information received from ICE. NOTHING ELSE!

His attorney claims on a sworn affidavit (under the penalty of perjury) to have proof he had no criminal record in venezuela, no criminal record in the US, a sworn affidavit from the tattoo artist explaining the tattoo, examples of similar tattoos of many other professional soccer players, and many non-gang related explainations...

• Axulus

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That's all very vague, the person isn't even named in there. Seriously, it sounds made up.

His name will mean nothing to us so the reporters talk about who he is. That doesn't mean they didn't name him!

And this sounds like yet another example of their incompetence--grabbing anything that resembles their objective. It's clearly more about running up a score than about being correct. Or look at the backpacker. Yes, technically illegal, but it's a truly tiny offense utterly not worth their effort. Thus it's clear they were after easy targets without regard for appropriateness. It's the homicide cop hunting jaywalkers.

 

[Elixir]

Those that are here in the USA illegally and are committing crimes or those who got arrested in an ICE raid, or those that came here and filled out Brandon's bogus asylum app and are committing crimes.

FIFY

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Imagine being so stupid you're not the least bit skeptical of the claims of the Trump administration.