Are we now in full blown fascist totalitarianism?

[Axulus]

lol, Van Hollen is a virtue signaling dope.

Trump and his allies do a lot of virtue signaling themselves, so this is just a pot versus kettle assertion

Except what Van Hollen did was not just virtue signaling.

He got proof of life

He showed that El Salvador isn't immune to pressure (by allowing the meeting)

He learned that Abrego Garcia was transferred out of CECOT to a better prison 9 days ago, providing proof that an agent of the Trump admin purjured himself in a court filing where he claimed he had personal knowledge that Garcia was in CECOT as of a week ago.

He got some details of the terms of the arrangement on why he is in prison (El Salvador is being paid $15 million to take in prisoners for the US, no funds from congress were approved for that)

He got confirmation from the VP of El Salvador that they are being held at the request and agreement with the Trump administration, not because he violated some law in El Salvador.

The attention he is bringing to Abrego Garcia also means El Salvador will take extra steps to ensure his safety. A badly maimed or killed Abrego Garcia will be a very bad look for Bukele in the eyes of the public and the world.

Puts additional pressure on El Salvador to rethink this whole arrangement with the US. Do they really want to be the country that builds concentration camps for the Trump regime? Do they really think that will end up well for them?

He is keeping the spotlight and media attention on the lawlessness and court defiance of Trump admin as they openly and brazenly torch our constitution and rule of law.

These are the kind of crimes that got people Nuremberged after WWII

Overall, A+ effort by Van Hollen

 

[Loren Pechtel]

And the law also allows them to be removed which is what is happening. Why do you want gangbangers and criminals to be allowed to remain in the USA?

You are clearly a gangbanger. You get no chance to prove you're not. Goodbye.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

"These Jews, they come here illegally, they destroy our culture, drain our wealth, take our jobs, constantly commit crimes. We need to get rid of them."

Sound familar? The connection is so obvious even an eight year old child could see it.

A couple of hundred gangbangers have been removed from the USA is exactly the same thing as murdering 8 millions jews? Asinine.

Why do you want gangbangers and criminals to remain in the USA?

The thing is there's no evidence whatsoever that he's guilty of anything. The comparison to the Jews is very relevant.

 

[Spacetime Inhabitant]

And the law also allows them to be removed which is what is happening. Why do you want gangbangers and criminals to be allowed to remain in the USA?

You are clearly a gangbanger. You get no chance to prove you're not. Goodbye.

Trump is a convicted criminal, so obviously he should be removed from the USA.

 

[lostone]

"These Jews, they come here illegally, they destroy our culture, drain our wealth, take our jobs, constantly commit crimes. We need to get rid of them."

Sound familar? The connection is so obvious even an eight year old child could see it.

A couple of hundred gangbangers have been removed from the USA is exactly the same thing as murdering 8 millions jews? Asinine.

Why do you want gangbangers and criminals to remain in the USA?

and that a few or more innocent people have been shipped off and sent to these hellholes to die, painfully, under horrendous circumstances, without legal justification, which apparently does not does not bother you, in the slightest, tells us a lot about your lack of ability to draw moral distinctions.

 

[Axulus]

Meanwhile MAGA is calling for ignoring and/or abolishing SCOTUS. Here is the CEO of The Federalist:



And here is a popular MAGA influencer with over 800k followers:

 

[TSwizzle]

and that a few or more innocent people have been shipped off and sent to these hellholes to die, painfully, under horrendous circumstances, without legal justification, which apparently does not does not bother you, in the slightest, tells us a lot about your lack of ability to draw moral distinctions.

I think you’re exaggerating a bit here. The fella that has been deported to El Salvador prison was here illegally and appears to have strong ties to a gang and his wife had a restraining order taken out against him. So I don’t think he’s a good case to use. But let’s not forget why we are where we are. Brandon and the democrats done fucked up letting in 9m+ people.

 

[ZiprHead]

 

[lostone]

and that a few or more innocent people have been shipped off and sent to these hellholes to die, painfully, under horrendous circumstances, without legal justification, which apparently does not does not bother you, in the slightest, tells us a lot about your lack of ability to draw moral distinctions.

I think you’re exaggerating a bit here. The fella that has been deported to El Salvador prison was here illegally and appears to have strong ties to a gang and his wife had a restraining order taken out against him. So I don’t think he’s a good case to use. But let’s not forget why we are where we are. Brandon and the democrats done fucked up letting in 9m+ people.

I'm afraid you are the one who is exaggerating and spreading misinformation.

 

[Elixir]

and that a few or more innocent people have been shipped off and sent to these hellholes to die, painfully, under horrendous circumstances, without legal justification, which apparently does not does not bother you, in the slightest, tells us a lot about your lack of ability to draw moral distinctions.

I think you’re exaggerating a bit here. The fella that has been deported to El Salvador prison was here illegally

So simple, eh Swiz? Such a simpleton.
The truth;

Kilmar Abrego Garcia entered the United States illegally in 2011 (some records say 2012), crossing the border without legal authorization as a teenager fleeing gang threats in El Salvador.
• He later applied for asylum and was granted “withholding of removal status” by an immigration judge in 2019, which allowed him to live and work legally in the U.S. but did not grant citizenship or permanent residency.
• Despite this temporary protection, his initial entry and presence in the U.S. were illegal under immigration law.
• He regularly checked in with ICE and held a work permit, but these did not change his underlying immigration status.

So his illegality is a feature of the system rather than any reflection on his character.

and appears to have strong ties to a gang and his wife had a restraining order taken out against him.

If there is such appearance it should have been made to ”appear” to an immigration judge. I’ve read nothing about any credible gang ties - but that’s not the point.
HE WAS DENIED DUE PROCESS
and that is the issue.

I don’t know if you ever tried to take a citizenship test, Swiz, but if you plan to, you really REALLY need to brush up on the laws underpinning this (formerly) democratic republic. Because due process is fundamental. This shit doesn't happen in America, but it happens in The Royal ShitHole of Trumpistan.

Remember, Swiz, you are taking your story from a criminal fraud and psychopathic liar, and his minions.

 

[TSwizzle]

and that a few or more innocent people have been shipped off and sent to these hellholes to die, painfully, under horrendous circumstances, without legal justification, which apparently does not does not bother you, in the slightest, tells us a lot about your lack of ability to draw moral distinctions.

I think you’re exaggerating a bit here. The fella that has been deported to El Salvador prison was here illegally and appears to have strong ties to a gang and his wife had a restraining order taken out against him. So I don’t think he’s a good case to use. But let’s not forget why we are where we are. Brandon and the democrats done fucked up letting in 9m+ people.

I'm afraid you are the one who is exaggerating and spreading misinformation.

Possibly, but how so? The fella entered the USA illegally, right? And I could be wrong here but I thought I read somewhere that he was told to leave self remove/deport at some point. His wife did take out a restraining order on him when he was violent towards her. His gang ties could be dubious but maybe not.

So what misinformation am I spreading?

 

[Elixir]

democrats done fucked up letting in 9m+ people.

And now we're collectively down 6 TRILLION and going down further in equity, because of your choice's "remedies".
We could have given every one of the 9m+ people A HALF MILLION DOLLARS EACH, and we'd be better off. They'd be better off. And we wouldn't be in an economic death spiral that began as soon as Trump's plans became clear. Once the effects of their actualization are felt, things will get scary. I advise hanging around Santa Monica and try not to make eye contact with anyone who might be ICE. They can fuck with you just to make quota, and you end up ruining your whole afternoon if you're white, and maybe your life if you're not. Keep those papers with you, anyhow.

 

[Elixir]

The fella entered the USA illegally, right?

He later applied for asylum and was granted “withholding of removal status” by an immigration judge.
I don't know that he was notified of Trump's capricious and probably illegal revocation of his status, but it was CERTAINLY illegal to do what they did in deporting him and surrendering him to a foreign government that they are paying to dispose of undesirables. He was entitled to due process as were all the others. In this case though THEY ADMITTED IT WAS A MISTAKE and still refuse to fix it. It's bullshit stagecraft of King Trump playing with people's lives. The staged meeting in San Salvador ... pitiful. Little tinpot cocksucker going to Washington to suck up to the ill douché ... this is really terrible cruel third world shit.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Just to be 100% clear, the 5th amendment right to due process either applies to everyone or it applies to no one. It is impossible for there to be something in between because if it is allowed for some and not for others, the determination itself on who it applies to would either require due process (meaning due process applies to everyone), or it would be determined arbitrarily by the government (which means it applies to no one).

The 5th amendment is very clear: "No person...", not citizen, not people here legally, but everyone.

Then it is high time we take down a lot of anti terrorist laws. Why aren't I seeing you and other Democrats campaigning for that?

Because the Republicans will attack anything they can portray as soft on crime. Quit blaming Democrats for Republican actions!

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

and that a few or more innocent people have been shipped off and sent to these hellholes to die, painfully, under horrendous circumstances, without legal justification, which apparently does not does not bother you, in the slightest, tells us a lot about your lack of ability to draw moral distinctions.

I think you’re exaggerating a bit here. The fella that has been deported to El Salvador prison was here illegally and appears to have strong ties to a gang and his wife had a restraining order taken out against him. So I don’t think he’s a good case to use. But let’s not forget why we are where we are. Brandon and the democrats done fucked up letting in 9m+ people.

The United States is quite in their right deport people from the US. Deportation isn't a court free act.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I'm seeing some signs of life that our collective immune system is beginning to kick in. Angry people flooding town halls. Huge turn out to the recent AOC/Bernie rallies. Honorable and excellent judges holding the line the best they can. Will it be enough? I don't know. But it is not yet time to admit defeat.

They don't matter. There are enough MAGAs that popular protest won't stop this. It has to be stopped by force an that force must come from inside the establishment (federal LEO, or even a military coup), as if it came from outside (any armed resistance group) it would turn into a bloody civil war and that would be jumping from the frying pan to the fire.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

And in 2028 Vance will waltz in to the Whitehouse while you lot tie yourselves in knots about what a woman is.

While I doubt that there will be an election in 2028, I don't think Vance will be the person to follow Trump. I think the successor will have the last name of Trump.

I'm not that pessimistic. I think by 2028, even most MAGAs, especially the ones on SS or Medicaid/Medicare will be outraged by what their cult leader has done. The Red and purple states might try to suppress the vote, but if every single person votes, it will be hard to get another person like Trump elected. It will take time. It will take more outrage, but even Trump supporters are beginning to realize they made a big mistake. The only ones who remain will be the hard core cult members who care about nothing but eating the libs. Rolling over and giving up isn't going to help. I'm old and may not even be alive by 2028, but I hope those who are will fight, protest, refuse to allow the felon and the rat to continue to destroy the country.

Why do you think there will be a remotely honest election in 2028?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I'm seeing some signs of life that our collective immune system is beginning to kick in. Angry people flooding town halls. Huge turn out to the recent AOC/Bernie rallies. Honorable and excellent judges holding the line the best they can. Will it be enough? I don't know. But it is not yet time to admit defeat.

They don't matter. There are enough MAGAs that popular protest won't stop this. It has to be stopped by force an that force must come from inside the establishment (federal LEO, or even a military coup), as if it came from outside (any armed resistance group) it would turn into a bloody civil war and that would be jumping from the frying pan to the fire.

Congress is the only entity that has the power required to remove a President that tells SCOTUS to fuck off.

Of course, the question becomes if Trump is impeached (probably won't happen), does he have enough military support to wage a backup contingency plan.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Trump: “We are the federal law”
Trump: "He who saves his country does not violate any law."
Vance: "judges aren’t allowed to control the executive’s legitimate power"
Trump: "Long live the king."


TSwizzle: "trans people!!!111!one"

So it's legal to assassinate The Felon??

Or it's only legal if it actually deposes MAGA and restores democracy?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

For all of you dramacrats going on about this, what we at least no longer have is a border problem anymore. As Trump himself said at his inaugural address, congress did not need to pass any more laws. All our country needed was a new president. The illegals flooding through the gates during Biden's term are thinking twice about doing it now. Trump has resolved at least one of his campaign promises. He has fixed the border already.

Why do you assume we no longer have a border problem?

You can call all this cruel and bad and you may even be right. After all, no one likes to see criminals get punished. It is unsettling for someone so dignified as yourself to see. But this punishment is the exact deterrence preventing more crime over the border. Illegals just aren't coming across anymore and for good reason.

You are assuming it's criminals being punished. We keep seeing innocents being swept up in this just to run up the score. And we see legitimate free speech being punished.