Arican-Americans will VOTE TRUMP!

[Loren Pechtel]

And a jury that wasn't made up of idiots. (Big trials mean people that can take months out of their life and also are people who don't pay attention to the news. That removes most everyone competent.) And wasn't made up of mostly blacks.

There is no limit to your ignorant prejudices.

Intelligence has no connection to success in a capitalist system. Many of the most successful, like Trump, are fucking morons. One good thing about Trump running is people can see how stupid one can be and still become rich if you have the right parents.

The class you are born into has more to do with your prospects than any individual feature in the rigid class structure of US capitalism.

There's no limit to your ability to twist anything to your prejudices.

Most people in any system simply aren't in a position to step away from their lives for months. Furthermore, the requirement that they not know too much about the case already means only people who don't pay attention to the world will qualify. This has nothing to do with whether someone is rich or not.

 

[Derec]

What about people that spend their lives walking on eggshells because the system treats them like criminals when they aren't?

I don't see Michael Brown walking on any eggshells.

Those people aren't told by anybody to distrust the system.

Other than
- "fuck the police" kind of gangsta rap
- black radicals (and their white allies) who glorify "revolutionaries" of the 60s and 70s who murdered police and robbed banks.

Etc.

The small town where I grew up was a place where the "good blacks" knew their place and were sure to be back in their neighborhoods from their jobs cleaning houses, flipping burgers, mowing lawns, and such over on the white side of town. A black person on the wrong side of town outside of daytime working hours was going to get harassed by the cops. White teenager gets busted with beer or pot while hanging out in the car wash or Hardee's parking lot in the middle of the night would probably be driven home for a lecture or a dad beating. Black kid was going to jail and would probably get roughed up by the police. I'm not telling stories of the 1950s and 1960s. I'm not that old.

What town was that? When was it? Do you have any documentation?

 

[Derec]

Perhaps after generations of injustice, a black jury is inclined to be suspicious of charges brought against black suspects.

Or rather they are taught to be supportive of a fellow black even if he is guilty. There was talk upthread about "imprisoning more blacks" or something to that effect. That is the exact wrong way to view it. If somebody did commit a violent crime, what difference does it make if they were black. Is Nykea Aldridge any less dead just because her killers have the same skin color as her.
The thugs who murdered Nykea, Sorrell brothers, are gangbangers who were out on parole after serving a fraction of the time they were supposed to for previous crimes.

When you see innocent black suspects go to jail,

Sometimes innocent whites go to jail too.

white criminals (who's victims were black) treated much more leniently,

Are they? Please provide evidence.

even getting off when guilty, that leads to distrust of the legal system.

Again, please show evidence rather than claims.

When we see a man who shot up a black church arrested without incident,

That's because he surrendered to police.

and multiple unarmed black suspects who committed no crime killed on the belief they had a gun, don't you think that at least gives the impression of bias?

There are unarmed white people who get killed by police as well. Only they do not get nearly as much media coverage. Conversely, there are black murderers who get arrested without being shot.
This whole #BLM nonsense is way overblown and is really detrimental to the future of race relations.

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37 million black people times 40 acres equals 61% of US land mass. There are also not nearly enough mules. About time we retire this tired old cliche.

And why do you keep capitalizing "black"? Would you capitalize "white" as well?

Wow. Just wow.

You are very easily amazed.

 

[Derec]

Baked into this theme is the idea that for the last several decades Democrats have either done nothing to help these communities or are actually working against them. This is of course patently absurd. Why does the Democratic Party have such consistent support among the black community? Because of the two parties, the Democrats are the one that shows up. Democratic politicians come from the community, campaign in the community, and return to the community as elected leaders. Some come from outside the community, but campaign in the community and go into the community as elected leaders.

The problem is that Democratic policies with regard to race have not really worked. Cities like Chicago, Milwaukee or Baltimore are governed by Democrats. What have they achieved in the last 30 years?
Sure, Democrats have many more black elected leaders, and they campaign more "in the community". But they also pander to "the community" more. For example, unqualified support for so-called "affirmative action".

Republicans don't show their faces in the black community. Instead they stand outside of it and complain about all the crime and violence in places where they'll never drive through let alone campaign in. They'll hold fundraisers at the country club or the chamber of commerce or a nice house in a gated community and tell all the old white folks at the town hall that they'll do something about all the crime and the "thugs" but really it is all just pandering to the fears of people who (like the politicians themselves) wouldn't be caught dead in the neighborhood.

That is quite a caricature but what is true is that Republicans at least understand that violent crime is a problem. Democrats used to, but now have to disavow it.

By the way, that house Hillary was campaigning/fundraising in was a "nice house in a gated community". Can't raise too much money in the projects.

Now, have the Democrats solved all the problems? No, but they're right there on the ground trying. The Republicans (Trump included) don't offer any solutions at all.

I am not a Republican so I can't really praise them, but they are right on some issues. Like racial preferences.

 

[Derec]

Blacks have lost trust in the system.

And how is that working out for them?
When a black young person flees the police because they are taught to hate police since childhood, they increase the chance of a bad outcome.

They want justice more than anybody.

Do they? Convicting police and/or white people no matter the facts is not justice.

Prison for the poor.

Prison is for those convicted of felonies. Poverty is not a felony. Things like armed robbery are.

 

[Elixir]

Poverty is not a felony. Things like armed robbery are.

You're better off in this country being a felon with money than a broke law-abiding citizen. You might not know that, but people living in the ghettos sure do. Of course it's easy to blame them for the system that makes it so...

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I am not a Republican so I can't really praise them, but they are right on some issues. Like racial preferences.

Well, at least you finally admitted it.

 

[Derec]

I am not a Republican so I can't really praise them, but they are right on some issues. Like racial preferences.

Well, at least you finally admitted it.

To clarify your (deliberate) misunderstanding, they are right in being against racial preferences as opposed to Democrats who support them.

 

[untermensche]

Blacks have lost trust in the system.

And how is that working out for them?

What?

They have lost faith in a corrupt racist system.

It has not been working out well for black humans in the US for hundreds of years, non-stop.

The government is presently throwing about half of black men into prison because the capitalist system is unable to provide decent education and opportunity.

Prison for the poor.

Prison is for those convicted of felonies. Poverty is not a felony. Things like armed robbery are.

Armed robbery is a crime associated with poverty and the many deprivations of poverty, especially a stable home life and other necessities for a human brain to properly develop.

And in the US poverty is a crime.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Well, at least you finally admitted it.

To clarify your (deliberate) misunderstanding, they are right in being against racial preferences as opposed to Democrats who support them.

You're not fooling anyone.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Relevant Washington Post article:

Donald Trump’s understanding of the historical nature of crime is upside down

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-the-historic-nature-of-crime-is-upside-down/

 

[blastula]

What exactly is Trump suggesting?

He is going to do what to make the lives of black people safer?

Just more insanity as far as I can see.

Simple, he will outlaw all crime.

 

[RavenSky]

The small town where I grew up was a place where the "good blacks" knew their place and were sure to be back in their neighborhoods from their jobs cleaning houses, flipping burgers, mowing lawns, and such over on the white side of town. A black person on the wrong side of town outside of daytime working hours was going to get harassed by the cops. White teenager gets busted with beer or pot while hanging out in the car wash or Hardee's parking lot in the middle of the night would probably be driven home for a lecture or a dad beating. Black kid was going to jail and would probably get roughed up by the police. I'm not telling stories of the 1950s and 1960s. I'm not that old.

What town was that? When was it? Do you have any documentation?

Doesn't matter. If you can post your old, unrelated shit like it contributes anything whatsoever to the discussion; then you should accept his anecdotal evidence without question

 

[RavenSky]

Relevant Washington Post article:

Donald Trump’s understanding of the historical nature of crime is upside down

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-the-historic-nature-of-crime-is-upside-down/

That's putting it politely

 

[Ford]

What town was that? When was it? Do you have any documentation?

Doesn't matter. If you can post your old, unrelated shit like it contributes anything whatsoever to the discussion; then you should accept his anecdotal evidence without question

I'd say I grew up in a similar town, but that's not the case. We didn't have blacks who "knew their place." We didn't have a place for them at all. It wasn't legally segregated, but whenever a black family moved in, they'd wind up leaving after a short time. Folks seem to forget that racism isn't always documented.

 

[ZiprHead]

The small town where I grew up was a place where the "good blacks" knew their place and were sure to be back in their neighborhoods from their jobs cleaning houses, flipping burgers, mowing lawns, and such over on the white side of town. A black person on the wrong side of town outside of daytime working hours was going to get harassed by the cops. White teenager gets busted with beer or pot while hanging out in the car wash or Hardee's parking lot in the middle of the night would probably be driven home for a lecture or a dad beating. Black kid was going to jail and would probably get roughed up by the police. I'm not telling stories of the 1950s and 1960s. I'm not that old.

What town was that? When was it? Do you have any documentation?

In the mid-eighties, a friend of mine and I went down to Nashville to visit an old high school buddy. While showing us around town, he turned a corner and had to wait while a black man crossed the street in the cross-walk. As we passed him, the buddy yelled out to the black man "Get outta the way, nigger!". He then said to us "Down here, we treat our niggers right.". I haven't spoken to that person since.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]