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Why couldn't his name have been Douglas or David instead of Fred...
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Why couldn't his name have been Douglas or David instead of Fred...
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Malintent
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The OP quote mined the quote mines.... here is what he lifted (below), along with all the references (from between 30 - 100 years old.. nothing more recent than like early 1980). Also, I was able to read much of "Red Giants and White Dwarfs", written by Robert Jastrow in the 80's. for the first quote, as an example, the full context is:
"For at least three-quarters of the book of ages engraved in the earth’s crust the pages are blank.”—The World We Live In-c
“The initial steps . . . are not known; . . . no trace of them remains.”—Red Giants and White Dwarfs-d
--On Many-Celled Life:
“How many-celled animals originated and whether this step occurred one or more times and in one or more ways remain difficult and ever-debated questions that are . . . ‘in the last analysis, quite unanswerable.’”—Science-e
“The fossil record contains no trace of these preliminary stages in the development of many-celled organisms.”—Red Giants and White Dwarfs-f
--On Plant Life:
“Most botanists look to the fossil record as the source of enlightenment. But . . . no such help has been discovered. . . . There is no evidence of the ancestry.”—The Natural History of Palms-g
--On Insects:
“The fossil record does not give any information on the origin of insects.”—Encyclopædia Britannicah
“There are no fossils known that show what the primitive ancestral insects looked like.”—The Insects-i
--On Animals With Backbones:
“Fossil remains, however, give no information on the origin of the vertebrates.”—Encyclopædia Britannica-j
--On Fish:
“To our knowledge, no ‘link’ connected this new beast to any previous form of life. The fish just appeared.”—Marvels & Mysteries of Our Animal World-k
--On Fish Becoming Amphibians:
“Just how or why they did this we will probably never know.”—The Fishes-l
--On Amphibians Becoming Reptiles:
“One of the frustrating features of the fossil record of vertebrate history is that it shows so little about the evolution of reptiles during their earliest days, when the shelled egg was developing.”—The Reptiles-m
--On Reptiles Becoming Mammals:
“There is no missing link [that connects] mammals and reptiles.”—The Reptiles-n
“Fossils, unfortunately, reveal very little about the creatures which we consider the first true mammals.”—The Mammals-o
--On Reptiles Becoming Birds:
“The transition from reptiles to birds is more poorly documented.”—Processes of Organic Evolution-p
“No fossil of any such birdlike reptile has yet been found.”—The World Book Encyclopedia-q
--On Apes:
“Unfortunately, the fossil record which would enable us to trace the emergence of the apes is still hopelessly incomplete.”—The Primatesr
“Modern apes, for instance, seem to have sprung out of nowhere. They have no yesterday, no fossil record.”—Science Digest-s
--From Ape to Man:
“No fossil or other physical evidence directly connects man to ape.”—Science Digest-t
“The human family does not consist of a solitary line of descent leading from an apelike form to our species.”—The New Evolutionary Timetable-u
REFERENCES:
-c. The World We Live In, by Lincoln Barnett, 1955, p. 93.
-d. Red Giants and White Dwarfs, p. 224.
-e. Science, February 23, 1973, p. 789.
-f. Red Giants and White Dwarfs, p. 249.
-g. The Natural History of Palms, by E. J. H. Corner, 1966, p. 254.
-h. Encyclopædia Britannica, 1976, Macropædia, Vol. 7, p. 565.
i. The Insects, by Peter Farb, 1962, p. 14.
-j. Encyclopædia Britannica, 1976, Macropædia, Vol. 7, p. 567.
-k. Marvels & Mysteries of Our Animal World, by The Reader’s Digest Association, 1964, p. 25.
-l. The Fishes, by F. D. Ommanney, 1964, p. 64.
-m. The Reptiles, by Archie Carr, 1963, p. 37.
-n. Ibid., p. 41.
-o. The Mammals, by Richard Carrington, 1963, p. 37.
-p. Processes of Organic Evolution, p. 146.
-q. The World Book Encyclopedia, 1982, Vol. 2, p. 291.
-r. The Primates, by Sarel Eimerl and Irven DeVore, 1965, p. 15.
-s. Science Digest, “The Water People,” by Lyall Watson, May 1982, p. 44.
-t. Science Digest, “Miracle Mutations,” by John Gliedman, February 1982, p. 90.
- u. The New Evolutionary Timetable, p. 5.
"For at least three-quarters of the book of ages engraved in the earth’s crust the pages are blank.”—The World We Live In-c
“The initial steps . . . are not known; . . . no trace of them remains.”—Red Giants and White Dwarfs-d
--On Many-Celled Life:
“How many-celled animals originated and whether this step occurred one or more times and in one or more ways remain difficult and ever-debated questions that are . . . ‘in the last analysis, quite unanswerable.’”—Science-e
“The fossil record contains no trace of these preliminary stages in the development of many-celled organisms.”—Red Giants and White Dwarfs-f
--On Plant Life:
“Most botanists look to the fossil record as the source of enlightenment. But . . . no such help has been discovered. . . . There is no evidence of the ancestry.”—The Natural History of Palms-g
--On Insects:
“The fossil record does not give any information on the origin of insects.”—Encyclopædia Britannicah
“There are no fossils known that show what the primitive ancestral insects looked like.”—The Insects-i
--On Animals With Backbones:
“Fossil remains, however, give no information on the origin of the vertebrates.”—Encyclopædia Britannica-j
--On Fish:
“To our knowledge, no ‘link’ connected this new beast to any previous form of life. The fish just appeared.”—Marvels & Mysteries of Our Animal World-k
--On Fish Becoming Amphibians:
“Just how or why they did this we will probably never know.”—The Fishes-l
--On Amphibians Becoming Reptiles:
“One of the frustrating features of the fossil record of vertebrate history is that it shows so little about the evolution of reptiles during their earliest days, when the shelled egg was developing.”—The Reptiles-m
--On Reptiles Becoming Mammals:
“There is no missing link [that connects] mammals and reptiles.”—The Reptiles-n
“Fossils, unfortunately, reveal very little about the creatures which we consider the first true mammals.”—The Mammals-o
--On Reptiles Becoming Birds:
“The transition from reptiles to birds is more poorly documented.”—Processes of Organic Evolution-p
“No fossil of any such birdlike reptile has yet been found.”—The World Book Encyclopedia-q
--On Apes:
“Unfortunately, the fossil record which would enable us to trace the emergence of the apes is still hopelessly incomplete.”—The Primatesr
“Modern apes, for instance, seem to have sprung out of nowhere. They have no yesterday, no fossil record.”—Science Digest-s
--From Ape to Man:
“No fossil or other physical evidence directly connects man to ape.”—Science Digest-t
“The human family does not consist of a solitary line of descent leading from an apelike form to our species.”—The New Evolutionary Timetable-u
REFERENCES:
-c. The World We Live In, by Lincoln Barnett, 1955, p. 93.
-d. Red Giants and White Dwarfs, p. 224.
-e. Science, February 23, 1973, p. 789.
-f. Red Giants and White Dwarfs, p. 249.
-g. The Natural History of Palms, by E. J. H. Corner, 1966, p. 254.
-h. Encyclopædia Britannica, 1976, Macropædia, Vol. 7, p. 565.
i. The Insects, by Peter Farb, 1962, p. 14.
-j. Encyclopædia Britannica, 1976, Macropædia, Vol. 7, p. 567.
-k. Marvels & Mysteries of Our Animal World, by The Reader’s Digest Association, 1964, p. 25.
-l. The Fishes, by F. D. Ommanney, 1964, p. 64.
-m. The Reptiles, by Archie Carr, 1963, p. 37.
-n. Ibid., p. 41.
-o. The Mammals, by Richard Carrington, 1963, p. 37.
-p. Processes of Organic Evolution, p. 146.
-q. The World Book Encyclopedia, 1982, Vol. 2, p. 291.
-r. The Primates, by Sarel Eimerl and Irven DeVore, 1965, p. 15.
-s. Science Digest, “The Water People,” by Lyall Watson, May 1982, p. 44.
-t. Science Digest, “Miracle Mutations,” by John Gliedman, February 1982, p. 90.
- u. The New Evolutionary Timetable, p. 5.
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It is a huge problem.
For instance, people who believe that the governments of the world have been taken over by lizard people are absolutely certain that the conspiracy is real, therefore the conspiracy is real.
Scientists change their views when new evidence comes in, which means they are not reliable, whereas anyone who is certain is reliable because their views remain constant even if new evidence proves that they are wrong.
Malintent
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While what you say is true, however it does not apply to these quote mines. The proper use of the three dots embedded in a quote that omits words (called an ellipsis) is meant to remove unnecessary words that do not contribute to the meaning of the quote. for example,
"I went to the park with my very good friend sally who was wearing her favorite blue jeans, and there was a homeless person there peeing"
can correctly be shortened to
"I went to the park ... and there was a homeless person there peeing"
IF the point of the quote was to illustrate the presence of peeing homeless people in the park.
The quotes that the OP copy and pasted into this thread that were traceable to their source were modified with ellipsis such that they would appear to state something different than they do. this is called Quote mining, and it is intentionally dishonest and ethically wrong.
Even in 1966, where some of these quote mined, altered, statements came from, Science was stating the opposite of what the Quote miner was attempting to fool people into believing was said. Science didn't need to change their stance... the OP needed to change what they said to imply they were either wrong or that his view is right.
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That's disgraceful.
You said "... my very good friend sally ... was a homeless person"
How could you be so heartless? If she is such a good friend, you should have let her sleep on your couch.
Malintent
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That's disgraceful.
You said "... my very good friend sally ... was a homeless person"
How could you be so heartless? If she is such a good friend, you should have let her sleep on your couch.
Exactly. By the way.. my full name is Malintent the Heartless... but my frienemies just call me Mal. So, you're spot on despite the lovely quote mine.