Atlanta-area police shoot dead unarmed, naked African-American man

[Jason Harvestdancer]

I'm sorry, I've got to say this.

The thread title should have been:
Atlanta-area police shoot and kill unarmed, naked African-American man

Every time I see this thread I think they shot a dead man.

 

[RavenSky]

I'm sorry, I've got to say this.

The thread title should have been:
Atlanta-area police shoot and kill unarmed, naked African-American man

Every time I see this thread I think they shot a dead man.

same here

 

[Derec]

I'm sorry, I've got to say this.

The thread title should have been:
Atlanta-area police shoot and kill unarmed, naked African-American man

Every time I see this thread I think they shot a dead man.

Like this?

 

[Derec]

Another Atlanta area (Cobb County this time) shooting, to be filed under "my Maserati does 185/cops shot me dead/now I don't drive".
Family wants action after 25-year-old in Maserati shot, killed by police

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Another Atlanta area (Cobb County this time) shooting, to be filed under "my Maserati does 185/cops shot me dead/now I don't drive".
Family wants action after 25-year-old in Maserati shot, killed by police

The usual scenario. The suspect uses his car as a weapon, intending to get the cops to jump out of the way. It would work against a civilian, against a cop it usually provokes gunfire.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Another Atlanta area (Cobb County this time) shooting, to be filed under "my Maserati does 185/cops shot me dead/now I don't drive".

You so funny for not funny guy.

Family wants action after 25-year-old in Maserati shot, killed by police

I keep forgetting how the Physics works where as shooting the driver somehow gets the car to stop driving at an officer.

Car with a vector towards an officer only changes if brakes are applied or if the steering wheel is turned. So a car darting to 30 mph doesn't just stop moving forward because the driver is dead. It will no longer accelerate, but based on close confines a static speed is still dangerous quickly. Additionally, shooting the driver makes the direction of the car more random. The wheel can turn on its own either by the dead grasp of the driver or from a bump in the parking lot / road, it would be hard to guess which way the car would divert to, making dodging the car more difficult.

This would seem to imply that dodging the vehicle would be a good idea. That sees to your own safety, assuming a healthy knowledge of physics. Then fire at the tires to retard the ability of the car to continue driving at much of a decent speed.

 

[Underseer]

Welcome to "post racial America" where racism doesn't exist anymore.

 

[Derec]

You so funny for not funny guy.

Could not resist the setup.

Car with a vector towards an officer only changes if brakes are applied or if the steering wheel is turned.

Of if the driver lets go of the throttle. Without throttle and in gear, the engine "wants" to go to idle but is being driven by the wheels at higher rpm which leads to engine breaking, especially in low gears. He was in reverse, which is a low gear.

So a car darting to 30 mph doesn't just stop moving forward because the driver is dead. It will no longer accelerate, but based on close confines a static speed is still dangerous quickly. Additionally, shooting the driver makes the direction of the car more random. The wheel can turn on its own either by the dead grasp of the driver or from a bump in the parking lot / road, it would be hard to guess which way the car would divert to, making dodging the car more difficult.

That may be, but unless you think the cops shoot at vehicles moving toward them for fun, you got to give them the benefit of the doubt.

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Welcome to "post racial America" where racism doesn't exist anymore.

What evidence do you have that the shooting was in any way motivated by his race? Rather than say his history of attacking cops (hence so many of them from two agencies to execute a warrant) and the fact that he stole a Quattroporte and tried to run police officers with it.

In any case, I am a bit unclear as to what his game plan was here. He was sought on a warrant for probation violation. Not good, sure. But grand theft auto is not going to help matters, especially since he wasn't an unknown suspect that can hope to evade the police. They knew who he was.
An update: Smyrna police say man drove Maserati recklessly before shooting
But of course the family was quick to paint the deceased as a great guy who was only sought for a "traffic violation".

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Could not resist the setup.

Car with a vector towards an officer only changes if brakes are applied or if the steering wheel is turned.

Of if the driver lets go of the throttle. Without throttle and in gear, the engine "wants" to go to idle but is being driven by the wheels at higher rpm which leads to engine breaking, especially in low gears. He was in reverse, which is a low gear.

The vehicle is already accelerating, so it has to decelerate to a constant speed and then start decreasing in speed. In other words, get out of the way.

So a car darting to 30 mph doesn't just stop moving forward because the driver is dead. It will no longer accelerate, but based on close confines a static speed is still dangerous quickly. Additionally, shooting the driver makes the direction of the car more random. The wheel can turn on its own either by the dead grasp of the driver or from a bump in the parking lot / road, it would be hard to guess which way the car would divert to, making dodging the car more difficult.

That may be, but unless you think the cops shoot at vehicles moving toward them for fun, you got to give them the benefit of the doubt.

Maybe you need glasses or something, because otherwise you wouldn't have had to resort to a poor man's strawman (known as pretending you didn't read the post)

This would seem to imply that dodging the vehicle would be a good idea. That sees to your own safety, assuming a healthy knowledge of physics. Then fire at the tires to retard the ability of the car to continue driving at much of a decent speed.

 

[Derec]

The vehicle is already accelerating, so it has to decelerate to a constant speed and then start decreasing in speed. In other words, get out of the way.

Do an experiment. Put your car into second gear and gun it. Then take your foot off the accelerator. The car will decelerate immediately. This effect is only stronger with bigger, stronger engine like the ~400 bhp Quattroporte engine.

Maybe you need glasses or something, because otherwise you wouldn't have had to resort to a poor man's strawman (known as pretending you didn't read the post)

I did read the post. My point is that since police do routinely shoot at cars that attempt to run them over that it's a reasonable assumption that it has been determined that this is an effective way to eliminate the danger.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Welcome to "post racial America" where racism doesn't exist anymore.

All isolated unrelated events.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

. My point is that since police do routinely shoot at cars that attempt to run them over that it's a reasonable assumption that it has been determined that this is an effective way to eliminate the danger.

They do? That would be the dumbest thing I ever heard. On teevee maybe, but in reality the physics of a moving chunk of metal ain't suddenly going to come to a stop just because the driver took a bullet to the brain. The smartest thing to do is to get out of the way and arrest later.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Do an experiment. Put your car into second gear and gun it.

You want me to gun my Honda Insight to properly model the acceleration of a Maserati? I'm having a hard time understanding why I'm getting push back from the idea that the officers should get out of the way of a car moving at them instead of shooting a car that is moving at them.

Maybe you need glasses or something, because otherwise you wouldn't have had to resort to a poor man's strawman (known as pretending you didn't read the post)

I did read the post.

So you deliberately took me out of context?

My point is that since police do routinely shoot at cars that attempt to run them over that it's a reasonable assumption that it has been determined that this is an effective way to eliminate the danger.

If a car is moving towards you, shooting it isn't an effective method of not being hit by the car.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Back to the actual Maserati event from the link:

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/police-scene-shooting-cobb-county/nkddF/

“They were standing behind the car, opening fire. He wasn't driving towards them,” Goodyear customer Brittany Eustache said.

“The car was not moving when they began to shoot at him. The car had been stopped. He hit a curb. He couldn't go any further,” she said.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I think this case may get resolved due to wealth being involved.

 

[Derec]

I think this case may get resolved due to wealth being involved.

Whose wealth?

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Back to the actual Maserati event from the link:

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/police-scene-shooting-cobb-county/nkddF/

“The car was not moving when they began to shoot at him. The car had been stopped. He hit a curb. He couldn't go any further,” she said.

Well a lot of nonsense was said by supposed witnesses in the aftermath of the Michael Brown shooting as well. And actually him hitting the curb and then putting the car into reverse is consistent with what police are saying. Eustace could be mistaken (or lying of course) about the car being stationary at the time of shooting.

In any case, it is understandable that the cops had itchy trigger fingers given that the subject had a history of violence against police, including at least one instance of using his vehicle.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Whose wealth?

The kid jumped into a Maserati.

Back to the actual Maserati event from the link:

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/police-scene-shooting-cobb-county/nkddF/

“The car was not moving when they began to shoot at him. The car had been stopped. He hit a curb. He couldn't go any further,” she said.

Well a lot of nonsense was said by supposed witnesses in the aftermath of the Michael Brown shooting as well.

It should be easy to tell if they shot from behind. If you really cared, you'd have looked.

Link

Well, based on the images, he was either trying to back up on the police, or the witness was telling the truth. The shots are through the rear window. So he was an imminent threat on their safety, but they killed him anyway.

In any case, it is understandable that the cops had itchy trigger fingers given that the subject had a history of violence against police, including at least one instance of using his vehicle.

Violence against the police?

 

[Derec]

You want me to gun my Honda Insight to properly model the acceleration of a Maserati?

I did say the effect is bigger on a larger engine but it exists on any regular engine. Might be a problem with you driving a hybrid though.

I'm having a hard time understanding why I'm getting push back from the idea that the officers should get out of the way of a car moving at them instead of shooting a car that is moving at them.

My point is that they shouldn't automatically be condemned for shooting at a vehicle moving toward them.

 

[ksen]

In any case, it is understandable that the cops had itchy trigger fingers given that the subject had a history of violence against police, including at least one instance of using his vehicle.

The officer(s) knew that at the time?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I did say the effect is bigger on a larger engine but it exists on any regular engine. Might be a problem with you driving a hybrid though.

My car hasn't been a hybrid for near a year now.

I'm having a hard time understanding why I'm getting push back from the idea that the officers should get out of the way of a car moving at them instead of shooting a car that is moving at them.

My point is that they shouldn't automatically be condemned for shooting at a vehicle moving toward them.

You are assuming that. Based on the photos, they did shot him from behind. Cops must be idiots to think someone can't notice when bullet holes entering the rear window.