Biden Pardons Hunter

[Politesse]

Okay. I'm not going to change my mind though. Politically, it's better to be persecuted for doing what's right than to allow yourself to be halfway roped into doing what's wrong.

 

[Elixir]

Okay. I'm not going to change my mind though. Politically, it's better to be persecuted for doing what's right than to allow yourself to be halfway roped into doing what's wrong.

Okay, if you think that’s high ground. But I’m not sure what it really looks like. Who (besides Hunter) is being persecuted? Nobody says it’s Joe, afaik.

Joe’s not facing the dualism you describe. He’s facing a chance to set an example (that he knows will not be followed by his successor) at the cost of his son’s well being, and possibly his son’s life, vs deeming punishment already meted out to be closer to justice than that option.
Not a difficult decision, only a difficult choice due to being President - which is both the only thing that enables him to help his son and the only reason his son is in trouble that no other similar violator has ever faced.
To me it’s not even a close call. Nor would it be to you if you were a lame duck president/parent, I am certain.
I do not think such ill of you Poli.

 

[Swammerdami]

I have no problem whatsoever with pardoning Hunter. I DO have a problem with people who have a problem with it. Worry about this pardon is like complaining about a butterfly while volcanoes are erupting all around you.

I DO have a problem -- (thread hijack?) -- with the pardon of Michael Conahan. That guy, who sent 8 year-olds to jail for payola, should have been tortured for life, or at least sent to the electric chair.

Can anyone explain that pardon??

 

[Politesse]

Worry about this pardon is like complaining about a butterfly while volcanoes are erupting all around you.

Who is worried about the pardon? It's last week's news already.

 

[Politesse]

Okay. I'm not going to change my mind though. Politically, it's better to be persecuted for doing what's right than to allow yourself to be halfway roped into doing what's wrong.

Okay, if you think that’s high ground. But I’m not sure what it really looks like. Who (besides Hunter) is being persecuted? Nobody says it’s Joe, afaik.

Joe’s not facing the dualism you describe. He’s facing a chance to set an example (that he knows will not be followed by his successor) at the cost of his son’s well being, and possibly his son’s life, vs deeming punishment already meted out to be closer to justice than that option.
Not a difficult decision, only a difficult choice due to being President - which is both the only thing that enables him to help his son and the only reason his son is in trouble that no other similar violator has ever faced.
To me it’s not even a close call. Nor would it be to you if you were a lame duck president/parent, I am certain.
I do not think such ill of you Poli.

I would not run for president in the first place.

 

[Elixir]

I have no problem whatsoever with pardoning Hunter. I DO have a problem with people who have a problem with it. Worry about this pardon is like complaining about a butterfly while volcanoes are erupting all around you.

I DO have a problem -- (thread hijack?) -- with the pardon of Michael Conahan. That guy, who sent 8 year-olds to jail for payola, should have been tortured for life, or at least sent to the electric chair.

Can anyone explain that pardon??

RIGHT???
Ya wanna talk bad pardons … this one is fucked up.
Not such a drift either IMO. I don’t think a lot of pardons are offered to people who didn’t break any laws; they don’t tend to need them. At least not until now.
But now, pardons are just another tool Trump can use to make people miserable, and keep his fav criminals out of trouble.

Poli keeps harping on Hunter because “he broke the law!” Well duh, only in the case of a criminal President bent on revenge, would someone who didn’t break any laws need a pardon.
The terrible decision to pardon a guy who made his living destroying the lives of kids, is so many levels worse than anything Hunter ever DREAMED of doing, it beggars belief that Hunter’s pardon would bother someone so badly that they’d loudly argue against it in particular, yet never a word about pardoning someone who destroys kids lives for profit. The pardoning of Conahan is a REAL outrage. Hunter is not a threat to society - IMO he’s a model citizen compared to this asshole.

 

[thebeave]

I have no problem whatsoever with pardoning Hunter. I DO have a problem with people who have a problem with it. Worry about this pardon is like complaining about a butterfly while volcanoes are erupting all around you.

I DO have a problem -- (thread hijack?) -- with the pardon of Michael Conahan. That guy, who sent 8 year-olds to jail for payola, should have been tortured for life, or at least sent to the electric chair.

Can anyone explain that pardon??

RIGHT???
Ya wanna talk bad pardons … this one is fucked up.

I don't know about that. IMHO, the more kids locked up, the better. I still have wet TP hanging in my tree from Halloween.

 

[Elixir]

I have no problem whatsoever with pardoning Hunter. I DO have a problem with people who have a problem with it. Worry about this pardon is like complaining about a butterfly while volcanoes are erupting all around you.

I DO have a problem -- (thread hijack?) -- with the pardon of Michael Conahan. That guy, who sent 8 year-olds to jail for payola, should have been tortured for life, or at least sent to the electric chair.

Can anyone explain that pardon??

RIGHT???
Ya wanna talk bad pardons … this one is fucked up.

I don't know about that. IMHO, the more kids locked up, the better. I still have wet TP hanging in my tree from Halloween.

Little kids didn’t do it!! They don’t have the arm strength to throw rolls way up in a tree.
It was probably trumpsuckers who discovered you were hanging out on a lib’rul atheist forum.

 

[Politesse]

Poli keeps harping on Hunter because “he broke the law!” Well duh, only in the case of a criminal President bent on revenge, would someone who didn’t break any laws need a pardon.
The terrible decision to pardon a guy who made his living destroying the lives of kids, is so many levels worse than anything Hunter ever DREAMED of doing, it beggars belief that Hunter’s pardon would bother someone so badly that they’d loudly argue against it in particular, yet never a word about pardoning someone who destroys kids lives for profit. The pardoning of Conahan is a REAL outrage. Hunter is not a threat to society - IMO he’s a model citizen compared to this asshole.

You fucking serious? Twenty pages of jumping down my ass for correctly calling out Biden for class-based corruption and you just now caught up with the bus? None of these new pardons or commutations surprise me. Most are justified, some are egregious travesties of justice, and the real problem is that Biden doesn't know the difference. He just read the news, freaked out about everyone seeing him as nepotistic, and arranged for a mass pardoning and commutation event to make it seem like he cared about "the common man" as well.

But he let his staff draw up the list, and didn't edit out the croneyism. A judge selling kids into slavery and calling it justice is exactly the kind of crime that people with more money than morals see as "not a real crime", or at least a less serious crime than knocking over a corner store for drinking money.

Of course, I don't doubt that Conahan had "good behavior" in prison, he was on track for an early release with or without the commutation. Why wouldn't he? He just sold some kids, he's "not a real criminal" in his own mind; he probably had coffee with the guards every morning. I wish more Americans understood what things are actually like in our prison system, and who profits and why, from the way the penitentiaries are set up.

 

[thebeave]

I have no problem whatsoever with pardoning Hunter. I DO have a problem with people who have a problem with it. Worry about this pardon is like complaining about a butterfly while volcanoes are erupting all around you.

I DO have a problem -- (thread hijack?) -- with the pardon of Michael Conahan. That guy, who sent 8 year-olds to jail for payola, should have been tortured for life, or at least sent to the electric chair.

Can anyone explain that pardon??

RIGHT???
Ya wanna talk bad pardons … this one is fucked up.

I don't know about that. IMHO, the more kids locked up, the better. I still have wet TP hanging in my tree from Halloween.

Little kids didn’t do it!! They don’t have the arm strength to throw rolls way up in a tree.
It was probably trumpsuckers who discovered you were hanging out on a lib’rul atheist forum.

Ok, if not kids, then maybe it was midgets in costumes. I have always found them to be rather ornery, so it wouldn't surprise me.

 

[laughing dog]

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Poli keeps harping on Hunter because “he broke the law!” Well duh, only in the case of a criminal President bent on revenge, would someone who didn’t break any laws need a pardon.
The terrible decision to pardon a guy who made his living destroying the lives of kids, is so many levels worse than anything Hunter ever DREAMED of doing, it beggars belief that Hunter’s pardon would bother someone so badly that they’d loudly argue against it in particular, yet never a word about pardoning someone who destroys kids lives for profit. The pardoning of Conahan is a REAL outrage. Hunter is not a threat to society - IMO he’s a model citizen compared to this asshole.

You fucking serious? Twenty pages of jumping down my ass for correctly calling out Biden for class-based corruption and you just now caught up with the bus? None of these new pardons or commutations surprise me. Most are justified, some are egregious travesties of justice, and the real problem is that Biden doesn't know the difference. He just read the news, freaked out about everyone seeing him as nepotistic, and arranged for a mass pardoning and commutation event to make it seem like he cared about "the common man" as well.

But he let his staff draw up the list, and didn't edit out the croneyism. A judge selling kids into slavery and calling it justice is exactly the kind of crime that people with more money than morals see as "not a real crime", or at least a less serious crime than knocking over a corner store for drinking money.

Of course, I don't doubt that Conahan had "good behavior" in prison, he was on track for an early release with or without the commutation. Why wouldn't he? He just sold some kids, he's "not a real criminal" in his own mind; he probably had coffee with the guards every morning. I wish more Americans understood what things are actually like in our prison system, and who profits and why, from the way the penitentiaries are set up.

In my view, there is a huge distinction between the crimes of Conahan and Hunter Biden. Not only did that judge act immorally and criiminally, he corrupted the justice system. His crimes were much more serious and they were not simple mistakes of judgment. His pardon is unforgivable in my view. Hunter Biden's crimes pale in comparison. I don't think he deserved a pardon at all - his felonies should remain on his record. If he had served some hard time, I think a commutation would be in order.

 

[Politesse]

In my view, there is a huge distinction between the crimes of Conahan and Hunter Biden.

Of course there fuckiung is. One guy cheated on his taxes and the other unjustly enslaved hundreds of children. What planet are you from? Yes, yes there is a huge difference.

 

[southernhybrid]

I have no problem whatsoever with pardoning Hunter. I DO have a problem with people who have a problem with it. Worry about this pardon is like complaining about a butterfly while volcanoes are erupting all around you.

I DO have a problem -- (thread hijack?) -- with the pardon of Michael Conahan. That guy, who sent 8 year-olds to jail for payola, should have been tortured for life, or at least sent to the electric chair.

Can anyone explain that pardon??

He didn't pardon him. He commuted his sentence by less than 2 years. I'm not suggesting this was a good idea, but I wish we would stop calling it a pardon. The guy was supposed to be released in 08/26 and he's 72 years old. I guess Biden felt he had served enough time. His sentencing would have been much longer if he had not confessed and took a plea agreement. Maybe Biden felt that Conahan was remorseful. I have no idea why he shortened this one's sentence, but presidents aren't any more perfect than the rest of us.

Btw, I don't think anyone should be tortured or sentenced to death, regardless of how awful the crime they have committed. That's so Old Testament imo.

I support Hunter's pardon for reasons I've fully explained earlier in what seems to becoming a mindlessly endless thread. Much ado about nothing one could say. I and my friends were all hoping Biden would pardon his son for a crime that very few people are ever punished for, so we were all very pleased when he did the right thing and pardoned Hunter. And, that is all I have to say. Carry on if you must.

 

[laughing dog]

In my view, there is a huge distinction between the crimes of Conahan and Hunter Biden.

Of course there fuckiung is. One guy cheated on his taxes and the other unjustly enslaved hundreds of children. What planet are you from? Yes, yes there is a huge difference.

Clipping out the rest of the post alters the context. It is either sloppy or pretty fucking disingenuous.

On the other hand, at least you can tell the difference in the severity of the crimes.

 

[Elixir]

The guy was supposed to be released in 08/26 and he's 72 years old.

Most importantly IMO he’s in no position to commit any similar crimes again. And I wonder if he thinks he can hide forever from the abused, or sleeps with one eye open. .

 

[Politesse]

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Poli keeps harping on Hunter because “he broke the law!” Well duh, only in the case of a criminal President bent on revenge, would someone who didn’t break any laws need a pardon.
The terrible decision to pardon a guy who made his living destroying the lives of kids, is so many levels worse than anything Hunter ever DREAMED of doing, it beggars belief that Hunter’s pardon would bother someone so badly that they’d loudly argue against it in particular, yet never a word about pardoning someone who destroys kids lives for profit. The pardoning of Conahan is a REAL outrage. Hunter is not a threat to society - IMO he’s a model citizen compared to this asshole.

You fucking serious? Twenty pages of jumping down my ass for correctly calling out Biden for class-based corruption and you just now caught up with the bus? None of these new pardons or commutations surprise me. Most are justified, some are egregious travesties of justice, and the real problem is that Biden doesn't know the difference. He just read the news, freaked out about everyone seeing him as nepotistic, and arranged for a mass pardoning and commutation event to make it seem like he cared about "the common man" as well.

But he let his staff draw up the list, and didn't edit out the croneyism. A judge selling kids into slavery and calling it justice is exactly the kind of crime that people with more money than morals see as "not a real crime", or at least a less serious crime than knocking over a corner store for drinking money.

Of course, I don't doubt that Conahan had "good behavior" in prison, he was on track for an early release with or without the commutation. Why wouldn't he? He just sold some kids, he's "not a real criminal" in his own mind; he probably had coffee with the guards every morning. I wish more Americans understood what things are actually like in our prison system, and who profits and why, from the way the penitentiaries are set up.

In my view, there is a huge distinction between the crimes of Conahan and Hunter Biden. Not only did that judge act immorally and criiminally, he corrupted the justice system. His crimes were much more serious and they were not simple mistakes of judgment. His pardon is unforgivable in my view. Hunter Biden's crimes pale in comparison. I don't think he deserved a pardon at all - his felonies should remain on his record. If he had served some hard time, I think a commutation would be in order.

Of course there fucking is. One guy cheated on his taxes and the other unjustly enslaved hundreds of children. What planet are you from? Yes, yes there is a huge difference.

 

[Politesse]

Seriously. OIne guy steals a phone, the other steals a car. I think they should both be held accountable for their actions in some way, That doesn't mean I think phones are worth as much as cars.

One guy hits another guy in a bar. Another stabs someone to death. I think they should both be held accountable for their actions in some way, That doesn't mean I think hitting a guy is as serious a crime as murder.

You two are arguing against a position of false equivalency that you yourselves invented. Or are you trying to say that every time three crimes are committed, the two less serious ones should be personally pardoned by the president?

 

[Elixir]

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You two are arguing against a position of false equivalency that you yourselves invented. Or are you trying to say that every time three crimes are committed, the two less serious ones should be personally pardoned by the president?

Some day you’re gonna run out of straw.
Yes, Poli. Every time three crimes are committed and one of them is far less serious than the others, and the offender is the son of a president who has been turned into a political football by a totally evil sociopath who is about to inherit limitless power to torture him as punishment to his father for beating the criminal sociopath like a bad dog in the previous election … yeah, probably a good idea to pardon him.
Every time.

 

[Politesse]

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You two are arguing against a position of false equivalency that you yourselves invented. Or are you trying to say that every time three crimes are committed, the two less serious ones should be personally pardoned by the president?

Some day you’re gonna run out of straw.
Yes, Poli. Every time three crimes are committed and one of them is far less serious than the others, and the offender is the son of a president who has been turned into a political football by a totally evil sociopath who is about to inherit limitless power to torture him as punishment to his father for beating beating him like a bad dog in 2020… yeah, probably a good idea to pardon him. Every time.

Well, it makes no goddamned sense, what you're saying. Of course I don't think tax fraud and juridical misconduct are the same crime, or equally serious crimes? I never said anything of the sort, nor does it make any sense whatsoever.

 

[Elixir]

Of course I don't think tax fraud and juridical misconduct are the same crime, or equally serious crimes?

How does that enter into anything like the question of a particular pardon’s propriety?

A. It doesn’t