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Biden Pardons Hunter

Biden has handed the precedence to Trump to pardon anyone in his administration.
you say that as if the precedent wasn’t already set by Trump in his previous administration.
On this thread, amongst other threads, we are constantly told that Biden (and the Democrats) operate on a different level to Trump (and the Republicans).
Now you are cliaming that because Trump behaved a certain way it is ok for Biden to do behave in that same way.

I am eagerly looking forward to this different level of behaivour.
No. Thats not what I am saying at all. I am saying that logically Biden can’t set a precedent that has already been set.

If you want to misinterpret what I’m saying I guess I can’t stop you but it might be best to read through what I’m saying before responding.

See Ziprhead make the same observation I just did.
 
Biden apologists, Trump apologists...six of one half a dozen the other so to speak.

Ok, so given Biden did what he did based on a Trump precedent, what does that make Biden? The pundits have all said pardoning his son was a dangerous precedent.

The fact remains Biden said he would not do it and he did. It is clear if he was re-elected he would have still patterned his son.

I have no respect for either, Trump is more overt.

Biden aging is trying to cancel student loan debts, this time 4 billio0n dollars not approved by Congress. Abuse of power.

Adding to all of it the left's pushing for more gun controls and background checks to keep people from buying guns who should not have them, like people with drug problems and a shady background...like Hunter Biden.

It is am serious issue around here considering the rise of drug related gun violence.
 
Some insist on spinning Biden as positive, I have always seen him as a double talking two faced politician.

When it looked like he was in the running for re-election it was Trump is not above the law., nobody is above the law. The usual political self serving duplicity.

Hunter Biden by all accounts was a creep with a rich influential father.
I promised myself I would never waste my time reading or posting again in this stupid thread, but just like Joe Biden, I changed my mind, or I just couldn't help myself.

Such a lack of compassion for Hunter is something I find a bit deplorable. Hunter is certainly a damaged person, but consider what he's been through in his life. He lost his mother and infant sister at a very young age, then his brother died in recent years. He struggled with addiction, which is a disease, not something to judge a person over, he also fucked up and committed some non violent crimes, which he admitted to and said he was willing to face the consequences, but he was threatened to be given a prison sentence that nobody else received for the same crime. He's been treated like shit, so why don't some of you have some compassion for him? We are all the victims or benefactors of our genetic and environmental influences. That even goes for the maniac Trump. He can't help who he is, but he shouldn't be president, as we don't need a psychopathic, narcissist in power who has been able to manipulate people so well.

Joe Biden didn't lie. He changed his mind when he realized what would happen his son if he didn't use the power of the pardon. Comparing him to Trump is stupid.

And yes Poli. I am well aware of how horrible most of our prisons are. They are cruel and inhumane, understaffed and disgusting. It breaks my heart to think of how prisoners are treated, and since I love dogs better than humans, it breaks my heart even more the way so many assholes treat dogs. ( Okay. I'm off topic )

Why don't you start a thread on the need for prison reform instead of continuing to post the same old nonsense in this thread? Actually that goes for all of us. Why do we go on endlessly spewing the same old shit, knowing nobody is going to change their minds!

Now I will do my best to refrain from coming back to this thread, but since I don't believe in free will, not sure that will happen. :glare: Oh wait, I guess that explains why these stupid threads go on for months. We don't have free will, so we can't help ourselves. :unsure:
 
Ok, so given Biden did what he did based on a Trump precedent, what does that make Biden? The pundits have all said pardoning his son was a dangerous precedent.
An obvious hypocrite, who is not just doing the same thing as his supposed arch-nemesis, but using the exact same rhetoric - "all of the charges are political and this is a witch-hunt, so I'm justified in doing anything necessary in return" - that has become commonplace, even rote, on the political Right over the past ten years.
 
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And yes Poli. I am well aware of how horrible most of our prisons are. They are cruel and inhumane, understaffed and disgusting. It breaks my heart to think of how prisoners are treated, and since I love dogs better than humans, it breaks my heart even more the way so many assholes treat dogs. ( Okay. I'm off topic )

don't you start a thread on the need for prison reform instead of continuing to post the same old nonsense in this thread?

That "same old nonsense" is more relevant to this thread - which us supposed to be about a legal question - than much of the other nonsense that has been brought up in this thread. Celebrity gossip is uninteresting to me. So if we're not discussing criminality, class, and the law, I've no interest in continuing anyway.

Very few people have any interest in discussing the prison system.
 
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this thread - which us supposed to be about a legal question
Supposed?
By whom? And why?
I don’t see a legal question in the thread title or in the op.
Looks to be “supposed” to be about the ethics and morality of “Biden pardons Hunter”. Which is more of a question, since s president is LEGALLY allowed to pardon whoever the hell he wants.
 
Ok, so given Biden did what he did based on a Trump precedent, what does that make Biden? The pundits have all said pardoning his son was a dangerous precedent.
The pundits are assholes. 44 years for bullshit prosecution? Really?

I guess I am forced to ask again for those against the Biden decision to provide the names and the cases of anyone else charged this way under these circumstances.
 
Show me the video of Hunter breaking windows, storming into the Capitol building, and spreading shit on the walls.

I'll wait.

No, no, no . . . that was the FBI
Welcome to the board, RIS. Stop by the lounge and introduce yourself. We're a very welcoming bunch.
 
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Biden apologists, Trump apologists...six of one half a dozen the other so to speak.
This is without a doubt the most retarded argument I have ever heard. One of the two people you named gassed a crowd of lawful protesters exercising their right to free speech so they could get a photo.

Seeing as you are ignorant as to which one did that, I'll give you all the time you need to figure out which one.

Also, whilst you are "doing your research", can you please educate me which members of Trump's family had the same scrutiny James Comer and Gym Jordan were insisting upon Hunter? That would be a big help, thanks.

Or to put it another way - fuck your both sides bullshit in all of its holes.
 

Also, whilst you are "doing your research", can you please educate me which members of Trump's family had the same scrutiny James Comer and Gym Jordan were insisting upon Hunter? That would be a big help, thanks.

Both Ivanka Trump and her husband Jared Kushner were given roles not just in the administration but within the White House itself. Jared famously struggled to get through a security clearance and was put in charge of "Middle East peace" (how's that working out?) while Ivanka was put in charge of...I can't remember because rather than doing her job, she used her position in the White House to leverage business deals with China. I can't recall which job in the White House Hunter held.

Meanwhile, Trump himself broke with the tradition of Presidents leaving their private businesses in the hands of others (think Jimmy Carter) and though he nominally left Don Jr and Eric "in charge," he was clearly fully in command of the Trump business, leveraging his position as President to make money for himself while in office. His properties basically became a method for him to soak money out of foreign interests and domestic business leaders, also raking in at least 9 figures in taxpayer dollars paid directly to his golf resorts. That's corruption at a level that makes "banana republics" seem like a bunch of pikers.


Yes, get the fuck out of here with your "both sides" shit.
 
Both Ivanka Trump and her husband Jared Kushner were given roles not just in the administration but within the White House itself. Jared famously struggled to get through a security clearance and was put in charge of "Middle East peace" (how's that working out?) while Ivanka was put in charge of...I can't remember because rather than doing her job, she used her position in the White House to leverage business deals with China. I can't recall which job in the White House Hunter held.

Meanwhile, Trump himself broke with the tradition of Presidents leaving their private businesses in the hands of others (think Jimmy Carter) and though he nominally left Don Jr and Eric "in charge," he was clearly fully in command of the Trump business, leveraging his position as President to make money for himself while in office. His properties basically became a method for him to soak money out of foreign interests and domestic business leaders, also raking in at least 9 figures in taxpayer dollars paid directly to his golf resorts. That's corruption at a level that makes "banana republics" seem like a bunch of pikers.


Yes, get the fuck out of here with your "both sides" shit.

Fuck you. Hillary and emails and Hunter's laptop and shit.

WDIT: Fuck! I forgot whatabout and shit. That's my fault.
 
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Both Ivanka Trump and her husband Jared Kushner were given roles not just in the administration but within the White House itself. Jared famously struggled to get through a security clearance and was put in charge of "Middle East peace" (how's that working out?) while Ivanka was put in charge of...I can't remember because rather than doing her job, she used her position in the White House to leverage business deals with China. I can't recall which job in the White House Hunter held.

Meanwhile, Trump himself broke with the tradition of Presidents leaving their private businesses in the hands of others (think Jimmy Carter) and though he nominally left Don Jr and Eric "in charge," he was clearly fully in command of the Trump business, leveraging his position as President to make money for himself while in office. His properties basically became a method for him to soak money out of foreign interests and domestic business leaders, also raking in at least 9 figures in taxpayer dollars paid directly to his golf resorts. That's corruption at a level that makes "banana republics" seem like a bunch of pikers.


Yes, get the fuck out of here with your "both sides" shit.

Fuck you. Hillary and emails and Hunter's laptop and shit.

WDIT: Fuck! I forgot whatabout and shit. That's my fault.
The thing (well, one of the many, many things) that gets me is...well...let me ask a rhetorical question I often ask Trump supporters: "So, how's that whole Lock Her Up thing coming along?"

For all of 2016 it was "Crooked Hillary" and "Hillary for Prison 2016" t-shirts, but when he got into office, Trump didn't pin so much as a parking ticket on the person he claimed (during the campaign) was the most crooked person in America if not the entire world. He was a little less focused in 2020 with the "Sleepy Joe" thing, but in 2024 he brought back "Crooked" as a prefix for his opponent. Joe Biden - to hear him tell it - was the most crooked person in America if not the entire world. Then it was Kamala. Any bets on prosecutions for either of them? My guess is that - if past is prologue - he won't lift a finger against either of them. Buttery mails/Hunter Biden's laptop were all just bullshit to sell to the rubes, and I'd bet that he won't pursue all of his "revenge" prosecutions with all that much fervor. It was all for show, and now that he's won and all the cases against him have fallen apart (thanks, SCOTUS assholes) he's going to be distracted by a new shiny object.
 
Did you object when Biden announced that he wasn't going to pardon his son? You sure seemed quiet about it, if so.

I'm not "venting away about Hunter", he's not the real problem here, just the latest example. I have always objected to the practice of presidents offering sweeping pardons to their close friends and family who have committed while doing nothing to fix the legal system itself even as it reduces thousands of Americans to barely or uncompensated servitude within our industrialized penitentiary system. I always have, and will continue to do so, because I don't change my mind every time the morning news says to. And it's important to be consistent in principles, because no legislator votes to dismantle a system that they are using, and that can do them no personal harm. A president or senator or judge who is not subject to any law has no natural motivation to correct injustices in any law.
As far as I'm concerned the situation changed.

Was not pardoning him the right thing to do: Yes.

Was pardoning him the right thing to do after The Felon declared his witch hunt: Yes.
 
No, I did not object to letting it play out, as long as there wasn’t a fat orange felonious asswipe with his foot on the scales of justice.
So, you didn't object until the election. But there was a time between the election and Biden's reversal. Did you (strenuously and viciously) object to Biden's position during that time frame, after Trump was elected but before Biden changed his mind?
When The Felon won the election and declared his intent to witch hunt the whole situation changed. I'd like to see Biden pardon all the big figures in the witch hunt.
 
I did explain why I feel that is the case.
Hannibal Lechter ‘splained why he enjoyed killing and eating people. Didn’t make him a good guy, any more than you ‘splaining why you think Trump killing Hunter would be better than Joe pardoning him, makes your preference okay.

Might be time to re-visit what advocacy really is, along with re-defining “all of humanity” to conform to your actual perverse proclivity.
 
I have no problem whatsoever with pardoning Hunter. I DO have a problem with people who have a problem with it. Worry about this pardon is like complaining about a butterfly while volcanoes are erupting all around you.

I DO have a problem -- (thread hijack?) -- with the pardon of Michael Conahan. That guy, who sent 8 year-olds to jail for payola, should have been tortured for life, or at least sent to the electric chair.

Can anyone explain that pardon?? :confused2:
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It doesn't exist. He was not pardoned.

Rather, he was one of a group who had their sentences commuted related to at-home detention during Covid. I haven't looked into the details to see exactly what happened.
 
I'm not behind, you are. That's entirely the precedent I meant. The DNC had a chance to repudiate Trump's "reforms" rather than colluding with and reproducing them, and it has chosen not to. Not just in this matter, but on general principle. The elder Biden and Kamala Harris campaigned on the promise that they would be "not Trump", but fell silent whenever someone asked what they meant in specific terms. So they failed. Because they and Trump, though very different in personality and aesthetics, are products of the same social paradigm at the end of the day, and they could not bring themselves to bring down the structures of money, prestige and increasingly autocratic power that for the last fifty-six years have been coalescing around the White House.

No one who is handed a sceptre finds it easy to set down once they have it. It's better to just not have scepters. But that ocean liner left port three days ago, and the forecast calls for ice. We're not very empowered to do anything about this, from where we now stand. But if the Democratic Party is the only thing left standing in Washington between me and catastrophe, like hell am I going to refuse to criticize it if I don't think it's on the right heading. Democracy does not flourish by obsequiousness.
What specifically are you complaining about?
 
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