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My point was that authoritarians come for your guns. Trump did not. He embraced the 2nd amendment. The only ones who talk about taking the guns are Democrat authoritarians. Strange, right?
Can we skip all that and go straight to the merits of Many World Interpretations of Quantum Mechanics?

Dodge noted.
LOL,
If you insist. Trump is a loser piece of shit criminal who was afraid that his brain dead gun lowing inbred deplorable trailer trash base would love him less if he disappoints them.
 

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What you say does make sense. This is why I think people should get the vaccine. But if they don't want to, we can't abduct them and jab them in the arm against their will. This isn't China or North Korea. I think people are just fed up that they were being lied to by the media about it non-stop since it started. First Fauci said that covid is no big deal and we shouldn;'t worry. Then he said we need to worry. Then he said no masks, then he said 1 mask then he said 2 masks then no mask then mask then no mask. It really has gotten ridiculous and you can see why people would get fed up at the "experts."
Holy fuck, when you put it that way it almost sounds as though Dr Fauci changed his mind when new information presented itself. Can you imagine the nerve? What an absolute scumbag. At least Donald Trump was consistently honest when it came to Covid, amirite?

Right?




Tell me, does China allow its people to have guns like Trump did?
Probably not exactly like Trump...

 

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My point was that authoritarians come for your guns. Trump did not. He embraced the 2nd amendment. The only ones who talk about taking the guns are Democrat authoritarians. Strange, right?
Can we skip all that and go straight to the merits of Many World Interpretations of Quantum Mechanics?

Dodge noted.
LOL,
If you insist. Trump is a loser piece of shit criminal who was afraid that his brain dead gun lowing inbred deplorable trailer trash base would love him less if he disappoints them.
Please keep showing everyone that you hate white people. You would never dare refer to poor blacks from the inner city with such vile language. Why is that?
 

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What you say does make sense. This is why I think people should get the vaccine. But if they don't want to, we can't abduct them and jab them in the arm against their will. This isn't China or North Korea. I think people are just fed up that they were being lied to by the media about it non-stop since it started. First Fauci said that covid is no big deal and we shouldn;'t worry. Then he said we need to worry. Then he said no masks, then he said 1 mask then he said 2 masks then no mask then mask then no mask. It really has gotten ridiculous and you can see why people would get fed up at the "experts."
Holy fuck, when you put it that way it almost sounds as though Dr Fauci changed his mind when new information presented itself. Can you imagine the nerve? What an absolute scumbag. At least Donald Trump was consistently honest when it came to Covid, amirite?

Right?




Tell me, does China allow its people to have guns like Trump did?
Probably not exactly like Trump...


I know what Trump said. He didn't want people to panic, which is the hallmark of a good leader. Remember when Bush got word about 9-11 in the classroom and kept reading the book to the kids calmly? Liberals wanted Bush to run out of the room with his arms faliling like a lunatic screaming, "WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!! BE AFRAID EVERYONE!!!! TERRORISTS!!!!" Truly the stuff of sane level headed leaders.

Anyway, Trump was working behind the scenes. He sent Cuomo a huge battleship and he sent people to die in nursing homes instead just to stick it to Trump. Imagine killing people's grandparents just to spite Trump. Sadistic stuff. Democrats have been terrible for COVID.
 

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My point was that authoritarians come for your guns. Trump did not. He embraced the 2nd amendment. The only ones who talk about taking the guns are Democrat authoritarians. Strange, right?
Can we skip all that and go straight to the merits of Many World Interpretations of Quantum Mechanics?

Dodge noted.
LOL,
If you insist. Trump is a loser piece of shit criminal who was afraid that his brain dead gun lowing inbred deplorable trailer trash base would love him less if he disappoints them.
Please keep showing everyone that you hate white people. You would never dare refer to poor blacks from the inner city with such vile language. Why is that?
What is your point? Yes, I hate idiots, black ones too. But I like myself.
 

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I know what Trump said. He didn't want people to panic, which is the hallmark of a good leader. Remember when Bush got word about 9-11 in the classroom and kept reading the book to the kids calmly? Liberals wanted Bush to run out of the room with his arms faliling like a lunatic screaming, "WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!! BE AFRAID EVERYONE!!!! TERRORISTS!!!!" Truly the stuff of sane level headed leaders.

Anyway, Trump was working behind the scenes. He sent Cuomo a huge battleship and he sent people to die in nursing homes instead just to stick it to Trump. Imagine killing people's grandparents just to spite Trump. Sadistic stuff. Democrats have been terrible for COVID.
Wow. This is some premium grade delusion. I'm kinda impressed.
 

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I know what Trump said. He didn't want people to panic, which is the hallmark of a good leader. Remember when Bush got word about 9-11 in the classroom and kept reading the book to the kids calmly? Liberals wanted Bush to run out of the room with his arms faliling like a lunatic screaming, "WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!! BE AFRAID EVERYONE!!!! TERRORISTS!!!!" Truly the stuff of sane level headed leaders.

Anyway, Trump was working behind the scenes. He sent Cuomo a huge battleship and he sent people to die in nursing homes instead just to stick it to Trump. Imagine killing people's grandparents just to spite Trump. Sadistic stuff. Democrats have been terrible for COVID.
Wow. This is some premium grade delusion. I'm kinda impressed.
Yet, you failed to point out what part of my post was a delusion. Does this mean one is too deluded to even recognize delusion taking place? Truly wild stuff.

I really want to put, "Attack the argument, not the man" on a 1,000 foot billboard.
 

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Centralized banking isn't a new idea. In fact the idea was considered briefly by those communist firebrands more popularly known as the "US Founding Fathers." The idea was quite unpopular because they already had some experience with the influence that could be wielded by a singular powerful national bank. The bank they had misgivings about was the infamous communist institution known as the "Bank of England."

With much effort including the compromise that moved the US Capital from Pennsylvania to a more southern location to collect support from the Southern States, Marxist radical Alexander Hamilton helped to establish the "First Bank of the United States" a national bank which lasted from 1791 to 1811. This horrible Maoist instituition utterly destroyed the United States leaving nothing in it's wake except for... A completely intact nation which now couldn't effectively pay for the war of 1812 because congress decided not to renew the charter on it's mostly functional bank.
 

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Centralized banking isn't a new idea. In fact the idea was considered briefly by those communist firebrands more popularly known as the "US Founding Fathers." The idea was quite unpopular because they already had some experience with the influence that could be wielded by a singular powerful national bank. The bank they had misgivings about was the infamous communist institution known as the "Bank of England."

With much effort including the compromise that moved the US Capital from Pennsylvania to a more southern location to collect support from the Southern States, Marxist radical Alexander Hamilton helped to establish the "First Bank of the United States" a national bank which lasted from 1791 to 1811. This horrible Maoist instituition utterly destroyed the United States leaving nothing in it's wake except for... A completely intact nation which now couldn't effectively pay for the war of 1812 because congress decided not to renew the charter on it's mostly functional bank.

Not the same thing. Back then, they still had private banks. She wants to give the FED TOTAL CONTROL AND AUTHORITY OVER EVERYTHING. No more banks but the FED. One day Saule might look into your bank account and decide, "Hey Zorq looks like he has too much money. That's not fair." and then your money is gone. You now are angry and there's nothing you can do about it. Marxism.
 

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Maybe you can pop on over here and be the first to condemn the actions of this black supremacist who loved Hitler:
Done, not sure why though.
By the way, your guys loved Hitler too.

Which guys? I can only speak for myself.
Unite the white, or right, something like that.

I don't support that, no. I don't stand for racism, unlike some (white) people (not you) on this forum who play defense for black supremacists. :(
 

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You missed the point. It's been almost 2 years of "just 2 weeks to slow the spread." We went into lockdown. Didn't work.
It did not work because small percentage of people actively sabotaged it, the rest sabotaged it passively.

And it worked in China.
It worked over there because they are very authoritarian. Trump was not authoritarian no matter how much people like to say he was. If he was, we would've been locked down without questions. Thank God Trump is the farthest thing from an authoritarian. Tell me, does China allow its people to have guns like Trump did?
Trump isn't an authoritarian? Then what was his attempt to steal the 2020 election?
 

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- Senator Menendez : My understanding is that your grandmother was orphaned because Stalin sent her entire family to Siberia and they died there. Is that true?

- Saule Omarova : That is absolutely true.

- Senator Menendez : And what did that teach you about the communist system?

- Saule Omarova : What that taught me is that the communist system is oppressive, it doesn't care about human beings and it kills its own citizens for no other reason than refusal to follow what an oppressive state ideology tells them to do. What that taught me also is that, in that system, you do what you have to do to survive so you can fight against it. I chose to come to this country, to become a US citizen, and in everything I do, no matter how people may interpret my academic work, my one goal is to make this country better and stronger so we can never have a repetition of that communist system anywhere in the world.
 
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I like to call myself an anarcho-communist, but that does not mean what most people think it means.
 

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Centralized banking isn't a new idea. In fact the idea was considered briefly by those communist firebrands more popularly known as the "US Founding Fathers." The idea was quite unpopular because they already had some experience with the influence that could be wielded by a singular powerful national bank. The bank they had misgivings about was the infamous communist institution known as the "Bank of England."

With much effort including the compromise that moved the US Capital from Pennsylvania to a more southern location to collect support from the Southern States, Marxist radical Alexander Hamilton helped to establish the "First Bank of the United States" a national bank which lasted from 1791 to 1811. This horrible Maoist instituition utterly destroyed the United States leaving nothing in it's wake except for... A completely intact nation which now couldn't effectively pay for the war of 1812 because congress decided not to renew the charter on it's mostly functional bank.

Not the same thing. Back then, they still had private banks. She wants to give the FED TOTAL CONTROL AND AUTHORITY OVER EVERYTHING. No more banks but the FED. One day Saule might look into your bank account and decide, "Hey Zorq looks like he has too much money. That's not fair." and then your money is gone. You now are angry and there's nothing you can do about it. Marxism.
Not the same thing as ... What? Please Point to the thing that this isn't the same as.

Is it the paranoid delusion you have in your head? I think it is the paranoid delusion you have in your head.
 

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Centralized banking isn't a new idea. In fact the idea was considered briefly by those communist firebrands more popularly known as the "US Founding Fathers." The idea was quite unpopular because they already had some experience with the influence that could be wielded by a singular powerful national bank. The bank they had misgivings about was the infamous communist institution known as the "Bank of England."

With much effort including the compromise that moved the US Capital from Pennsylvania to a more southern location to collect support from the Southern States, Marxist radical Alexander Hamilton helped to establish the "First Bank of the United States" a national bank which lasted from 1791 to 1811. This horrible Maoist instituition utterly destroyed the United States leaving nothing in it's wake except for... A completely intact nation which now couldn't effectively pay for the war of 1812 because congress decided not to renew the charter on it's mostly functional bank.

Not the same thing. Back then, they still had private banks. She wants to give the FED TOTAL CONTROL AND AUTHORITY OVER EVERYTHING. No more banks but the FED. One day Saule might look into your bank account and decide, "Hey Zorq looks like he has too much money. That's not fair." and then your money is gone. You now are angry and there's nothing you can do about it. Marxism.
Not the same thing as ... What? Please Point to the thing that this isn't the same as.

Is it the paranoid delusion you have in your head? I think it is the paranoid delusion you have in your head.
This strikes me as an insanity regardless.

There are a lot of people who think postal banking is the way forward. The issue is, of course, that the banks are doing a cockup of the financial sector.

Is it any surprise that when people make a business of operating other people's money, they take almost all the extra money? I mean fuck, that was the whole point.

When someone else leverages my money, I should be entitled to more than half of the profits of them holding it. That doesn't make the bank rich? I don't give a shit.

Postal banking is capable of this. Conventional banking is not. Just the fact that postal banking offers all investment back to the held accounts means that conventional banking could not compete.

I suppose that's a reason to fight it if you take all your financial advice from bankers.

Personally, I take my financial advice from the original source: game theory.

Of course, there will be plenty of banker's who suddenly are very interested in working with the post office for setting up postal banking, and all of them should be shot when they try, for the same reason as the oil company folks sure seem interested in jobs at the EPA and similarly need a one ounce serving.
 

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*wing-shrugs in regard to financial stuff*

I'm part of a credit union, myself. I don't think that I would ever join a regular bank. I find them to be hostile and unfriendly.

I go into my credit union, and they be like, "What can I do for you, my tovarish?"

I be like, "We are all together in this! We are stronger together!"

So they be, "This transaction will be a great victory for us all!"

I happen to care a lot about intrinsic rewards. It means a lot to me that I am being treated like a person and not so much like a piece of meat when I walk up to the teller window. Even if someone could prove to me that I could make more from a savings account than from my share, I would still not want to do business with a bank. I just feel very uncomfortable when people are looking at me like I am food.

If she wanted to make a positive impression on me, then she would say something nice about credit unions.

I am basically a very confused-looking dog when it comes to discussions about the federal reserve, but what made my decision for me about Saule was when John Kennedy said, “I don't know whether to call you ‘professor’ or ‘comrade.’”

Fuck him. Confirm her now.
 

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My point was that authoritarians come for your guns. Trump did not. He embraced the 2nd amendment. The only ones who talk about taking the guns are Democrat authoritarians. Strange, right?
Fox will mever tell you this, but you might want to actually look up Trump and legislation on guns....
 

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Anyway, Trump was working behind the scenes. He sent Cuomo a huge battleship and he sent people to die in nursing homes instead just to stick it to Trump. Imagine killing people's grandparents just to spite Trump. Sadistic stuff. Democrats have been terrible for COVID.
Now you are starting to sound like Clownstick. So now I know you don't know much of anything about the military. That minor bit was informative, but certainly not for any of the reasons you might been trying to convey. Now can you figure out just what within what you said here is off the wall?
 

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I mean...I don't like having where I came from held against me.

I have had experiences where someone found out that I came from a Southern US state and had a Confederate soldier in my family tree, and I was just explaining to somebody that, after reading his war-diary, I was pretty sure that my great great great grandfather was really just this dumb boy that lived on a tobacco farm and didn't even know where to get a damn slave, much less own any. Some fucking bitch painted a caricature of me as a knuckle-dragging racist neanderthal over that. She also misgendered me repeatedly, not by accident (I don't care about that) but spitefully because she wanted to imply that I somehow represented all the most offensive possible male stereotypes.

I am a blue-haired transgender woman that plays tag with cops at Black Lives Matter rallies, and I quote Peter Kropotkin and Pierre-Joseph Proudhon like a good little anarchist. I have spent my life trying to establish an identity separate from that which was foisted off on me against my will because having somebody else's identity forced upon me feels like a Freudian nightmare of being consumed and dissolved by a giant amoeba. It is such a struggle to have a personal sense of identity that pigeonholing people based on their origin is hideously cruel.

Somebody that holds a person's background against them needs to be stabbed in the gut and left to die slow.
 

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You missed the point. It's been almost 2 years of "just 2 weeks to slow the spread." We went into lockdown. Didn't work.
It did not work because small percentage of people actively sabotaged it, the rest sabotaged it passively.

And it worked in China.
It worked over there because they are very authoritarian. Trump was not authoritarian no matter how much people like to say he was. If he was, we would've been locked down without questions. Thank God Trump is the farthest thing from an authoritarian. Tell me, does China allow its people to have guns like Trump did?
So, now it is about Trump&guns?

I did not know Trump passed 2nd amendment. He must be a vampire or Highlander of some kind.
That is why his head is sculptured upon Mt. Selfgushmoore.
 

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Also, have you heard of Hasan Piker? He's one of the msot popular figures on the left and he got rich talking on youtube about how much capitalism sucks. He recently bought a 3 million dollar mansion and he still talks about how much capitalism sucks and how communism is the best. So a guy who got rich only because of capitalism and now lives in a mansion is still trying to convince people that capitalism sucks. This is the best the left has. Don't you find that funny?
Never heard of the dude before. Anyway, individual people can be quirky. Rush Limbaugh asked Elton John to perform at his wedding; and Elton John did. I found that quite funky. People quite often don't fit within the tiny little boxes that other people try to imprison them within...
 

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My point was that authoritarians come for your guns. Trump did not. He embraced the 2nd amendment. The only ones who talk about taking the guns are Democrat authoritarians. Strange, right?
Fox will mever tell you this, but you might want to actually look up Trump and legislation on guns....
I'll note that this last year my position changed on guns. This is not because my concerns about what leads to a civil society have changed but rather my beliefs about whether civility is possible or even recommended at this stage in history.

I have gone from "there is nothing in this country needing defense against to the point where you would need more than a few rounds" to "there are active militias seeking to destabilize and capture the central government, and everyone with any military or tactical training left of Hitler needs to ammo up."
 

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I clicked on OP's link. This Omarova atended school in Uralsk at the same time as there was a giant statue of Vladimir Lenin in front of the Uralsk Communist Party Headquarters. Pretty incriminating.

As for her political leanings, I think we can learn a lot by checking out the "scholars" whose ideas she parrots in her recent article. Morgan Ricks was a senior advisor to Barack Obama during the 2009 crisis, diverting hard-earned money from the calloused hands of real workers to prop up quasi-state institutions like Goldman Sachs. Michael Kumhof is the senior research advisor at the Bank of England: That's right; the same England that tried to cram the communistic tea tax down our throats twelve score and eight years ago. I could go on, but you get the idea. Her Marxist ideas are self-incriminating. From that article:
More fundamentally, the proposed restructuring of the Fed’s balance sheet would democratize not only access to financial services but also the very process of generation and allocation of financial resources.... It would make financial markets less complex, more stable, and more manageable sites of truly private risk-taking. In effect, putting the People’s Ledger in action would restore the socially efficient balance between private intermediation and public generation of credit. It would reprogram the financial system to support productive economic activity and to serve the needs of the American people.
"Public generation of credit" is straight out of the play-book of Milton Friedman, darling of the communist dictator Augusto Pinochet. And look at the final clause in the excerpt — "serve the needs of the American people." This is an exact echo of Karl Marx's "to each according to his needs." Her Marxo-terrorist leanings couldn't be clearer if she carried an AR-15 into the committee hearing room.

I'm surprised OP didn't attach the photograph of the Lenin statue from Omarova's own home town. It really tells us all we need to know. I think she tried to distract from that by attending Vanderbilt University with its statues of the Vanderbilt family, but — uh uh — we're not fooled so easily. Anyway, Anderson Cooper, CNN's communistic "reporter," is a Vanderbilt.

No critical thought whatsoever. Just bumper sticker politics from the that side of the spectrum.
'Fess up, folks! Doesn't Generation55 hit the nail on the head with this observation?

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Rather than posting the giant statue of the Commodore himself, I'm showing the statue of his great grandson Harold Stirling Vanderbilt. He was a leading light in the early development of the game of Contract Bridge. Anyone want to play?

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Crazy how a perfect communist uptopian country like cuba still has crap cars from the 50's on their streets. Funny, isn't it?

  1. The 1950s is the era when all the conservatives think we should all be as great as, isn’t it? “Take Our Country Back” is all about taking it back to the 50s.
  2. If you’ve got a bunch of cars still running after 70 years, they aren’t “crap cars,” are they.
The rest of your posts just say more unsubstantiated stuff that’s been debunked dozens of times.
I’m frankly surprised that you don’t get angry at the sources that feed you this kind of information, they know it’s all been debunked, but they propagandize hoping they can get their marks to believe it and get angry over it and vote for the GOP, who will do nothing about it at all, just keep moving money from the pockets of the working man to the vaults of the ultra rich.

I’ve heard that a lot of people are starting to get very angry at folks like Alex Jones and OAN and Brietbart an Tucker Carlson for suckering them, and they’re not going to fall in line fo the ultra rich any more.

Well since I go by nothing but the facts, I will say that when Obama was President, the media loved the guy. He could do no wrong. He was The Savior. Then anti-establishment Trump came into office and the media despised him and treated him like dirt every single day of his Presidency hammering him relentlessly. A wimp would've quit after 1 day of that treatment. Trump took it every single day no-stop for 4 years. Then Biden came in and now the media loves him. Biden can do no wrong, either.

The question is why? Why did the establishment media despise Donald Trump but loved Obama and Biden? It's almost like Trump was actually for the people and the establishment hated him for it. The idea of a conservative being the actual rebel is an idea that is alien to many people. The funny thing is, the conservatives are the underdogs now and everyone knows it. The left has big tech, corporations, the media, and Hollywood under their control. Conservatives are portrayed nowhere. They have become the new counter-culture. It's become cool now to consider yourself a socialist or a communist and it's become rebellious to call yourself a capitalist. What a long way we've come.

We literally live in a society where it is considered racist to tell a black man that his life would be better if he got a job, yet those same people make fun of rural unemployed whites for not having a job and call them inbred hicks. Very racist.
The media loved Obama and he could do no wrong??? Tan suit, anyone?

The media loves Biden. Patently ridiculous as this article clearly shows,
 

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Terrible. She never denied the existence of said paper. She just won't show it or give any reasons why she won't show it.
Never saw those tax returns that Trump promised to release. He promised that the day he entered the presidential race. Then, he just kept lying and lying about them.

Much more terrible than a decades old homework assignment. Do you really not see that?
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Poor '55. Starts a troll thread about his irrational imagined fears of a very competent Biden nominee ("all banking will be done through the fed"... whatever that is supposed to mean). Ends up quoting an anonymous poster on an unidentified forum, as if the fact that someone said something makes whatever they said true because '55 endorses it.
For the benefit of '55, one must loudly endorse all the excesses of capitalism or be labeled "commie", along with the monsters in his closet and under the bed.
Fear and ignorance are the two hands of evil.
 

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I did read her writings.

I believe you are ... uh ... UNtruthing. Fabricating. Indulging in mendacity, as right wingers are like to do.
Please link to the writings you "did read" because I don't think they exist.

She didn't provide a copy to the committee, but ... she provided it to YOU? ROFL!
 

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The thesis in question was written in 1989 for her undergraduate degree. It is conceivable she has no copy if it.
I don’t have a copy of any papers I wrote as an undergraduate.
Then why doesn't she say that? Or at least summarize her views on Marxism.
I don’t know, it us posdible she has snd Toomey is lying. It is possible she feels a paper she wrote as an undergraduate over 30 years ago is irrelevant.

Still waiting for some actual evidence that

1) shiws she us a communist, and

2) shows from her written or stated views how she would destroy the US banking system all by herself.

Oh I see, you expect her to just stand up and say, "i am a full blown Marxist and I want to give all power to the FED and bring down the banking system. It's all government now, baby!" Well, this is the real world where people hide thier intentions.
In simpler terms, you have no evidence she is a communist.

I seem to recall Trump never stating, "I am a white supremacist hellbent on destroying all non-whites." Yet, that didn't stop you guys from inferring it.

Now, I don't believe Trump is a white supremacist but I can certainly see how people might get that impression. He did play fast and loose with his words a lot. I think he was just desperately trying to play both sides in a way to get more votes. But, the fact that he had the biggest plan in American history for the black community where he wanted to invest $500 billion in capital so they could open businesses and start generating wealth, I can definitely say he's not a white supremacist. Under capitalism, you need to get capital somehow to start out. The rpboelm we have with capitalism is that we don't have enough of it or make it easy for people to generate capital. Trump knw this. He's a smart man.
In simpler terms, you have no evidence she can and will destroy the US banking system.
 

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I like to call myself an anarcho-communist, but that does not mean what most people think it means.
Well, assuming you're using the component words for their meanings rather than for their penumbras, either it means you're in favor of getting rid of the State and then you expect the people to adopt communism without anyone making them, or else it means you're in favor of the State turning society communist and then you expect the State to wither away.
 

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There are a lot of people who think postal banking is the way forward. The issue is, of course, that the banks are doing a cockup of the financial sector. ...
Just the fact that postal banking offers all investment back to the held accounts means that conventional banking could not compete. ...
Of course, there will be plenty of banker's who suddenly are very interested in working with the post office for setting up postal banking, and all of them should be shot when they try...
So a person who drools over eliminating private competition from an economic sector is the same person who drools over shooting people who aren't on board with his social engineering plans. Never could have seen that coming.

Postal banking is a great idea. Lots of countries have it. The U.S. had it until the 1960s. We should should start doing it again. A lot of people would benefit. It wouldn't render conventional banks unable to compete. Back when we had it it didn't render conventional banks unable to compete. Postal banking and conventional banking and credit unions serve different markets because they're optimal for different niches in a diverse financial ecosystem. Never could have seen that coming.
 

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I mean...I don't like having where I came from held against me.

I have had experiences where someone found out that I came from a Southern US state and had a Confederate soldier in my family tree, and...
I mean, I used to think I was an anticommunist. Then I got to know a scientist from the former Soviet Union. Now I know what a real anticommunist looks like.
 

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I like to call myself an anarcho-communist, but that does not mean what most people think it means.
Well, assuming you're using the component words for their meanings rather than for their penumbras, either it means you're in favor of getting rid of the State and then you expect the people to adopt communism without anyone making them, or else it means you're in favor of the State turning society communist and then you expect the State to wither away.
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I am definitely fascinated with the writings of Pyotr Kropotkin and his literary influence Pierre-Joseph Proudhon.

An anarcho-communist does not necessarily call for overthrowing the government as long as the government is able to do something as simple and elementary as staying out of some people's way. Anarcho-communism is not a form of government, but it is a method of organizing people in spite of the government, in absence of the government, or with the tacit support of the government. Theoretically, you could call yourself a weird monastic order, and nobody would bother you.

The truth is, though, I don't want to treat either Pyotr Kropotkin or Pierre-Joseph Proudhon as prophets. They are these guys that wrote some books, and their ideas were interesting. I'll take the parts I like, and I'll use them and consider the rest to be fiction.

*wing-shrugs*

I mean if you want an example of anarcho-communism working in actual practice, look to the open source community. They are the closest thing that I can think of to a practical application of the basic idea of at least some of the concepts. I always really liked the idea of open source. Open source might not be precisely what Pyotr Kropotkin had in mind, but I am absolutely certain that he would not have objected to the idea.

But when I talk about any philosophy whatsoever, never forget that I am a dragon. We are not even orthodox about being unorthodox. We are the ultimate heretics. We are elemental blasphemers. I can read Pierre-Joseph Proudhon's or Pyotr Kropotkin's work and say, "It's interesting, and I cherry-picked some interesting concepts from their books." I show my appreciation for an idea by immediately perverting it.
 
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My point was that authoritarians come for your guns. Trump did not. He embraced the 2nd amendment. The only ones who talk about taking the guns are Democrat authoritarians. Strange, right?
Can we skip all that and go straight to the merits of Many World Interpretations of Quantum Mechanics?

Dodge noted.
You noted a dodge? You've dodged so much in this thread you must be the CEO of Chrysler. Constant whataboutism and gish galloping throughout.
 

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Much as I smile on posts like the latest one, I think we should give Mr. 55 more respect. (I admit to being an offender myself.) Some of his positions are correct, even only if partially so. We should make an honest effort to debate and help Mr. 55 broaden his viewpoint.. If we can't find some middle ground, education or compromise here on a message-board, what hope is there for the U.S.A.
 

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For the record, when I say "I am an anarcho-communist," I am half-serious, but I am serious enough for it to be worthy in conversation. All it really means is that I like the basic way of thinking that has driven the development of open source software, but it's not just about open source software. I think that any creative commons type of project is inherently attractive to me at a visceral level, and the philosophical underpinnings of the idea are actually rooted in the writings of left-leaning anarchist philosophers like Proudhon and Kropotkin. The ideals of the open source community might not be a perfect reflection of their writings, but current theories about evolution have come a long way since Origin of Species. While it is a slight exaggeration if I call myself an anarcho-communist, the only reason why it would be an exaggeration is that I don't think that the philosophy is really incompatible with more mainstream views about good policies for a government.

It's like someone saying they admire Daoism. That doesn't mean they want to create a utopian state based on Daoism and force everybody to live their lives according to the writings of Laozi. They just mean that we can learn some important things about living a good life from those writings. Believing that one set of ideas is worthwhile does not mean that one must stop believing that other sets of ideas are worthwhile.

What I mean is that it would be technically accurate to say that I am an anarcho-communist, but I am not ONLY an anarcho-communist. I use many different kinds of ideas to make decisions or form my perceptions.

However, another reason I say that I am an anarcho-communist is that I want to challenge the anti-communist taboo. I think it's a stupid taboo. I don't necessarily want to create a utopian state based on any form of communism, including anarcho-communism, but in spite of that, it's a valid set of ideas that is worthy of being admitted for discussion.
 

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If someone has to go back to a person's college days to find something bad to say about a political opponent, it's a sure indicator they couldn't find anything in their following professional career.

It helps that in this particular instance, Omarova is opposed by people who don't know the definitions of the words they use. They expect the rest of us to cringe at the mention of Karl Marx and communism. After all, if Capitalism is so great, why are they so scared of someone who turned in a college assignment 40 years ago.
 

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If someone has to go back to a person's college days to find something bad to say about a political opponent, it's a sure indicator they couldn't find anything in their following professional career.

It helps that in this particular instance, Omarova is opposed by people who don't know the definitions of the words they use. They expect the rest of us to cringe at the mention of Karl Marx and communism. After all, if Capitalism is so great, why are they so scared of someone who turned in a college assignment 40 years ago.

This is so silly. Look at world growth up to 1800. It's almost a straight line of nothing. Then the Enlightenment thinkers gave us the ideas behind capitalism: property rights, intellectual property rights, patents, free market trade, profit motive and then the line on the graph starts skyrocketing upwards from 1800 to the present. Just look at communist nations compared to capitalist ones. It's no contest. The poorest people in capitalist countries live better than the kings of old did. Poor people drive cars, have a smartphone, have a big screen TV in their house, heat, AC, etc. Everything has trickled down. Remember when only the rich could afford cell phones? Now everyone can thanks to capitalism making things more affordable for the average Joe. I agree that things could still be better for the poor but that's a long cry away from tearing down this whole system that is 99% effective with everything else. Poor people need more capitalism and capital, not less capitalism.

You can't win this one. You look foolish arguing against the evidence. Everyone who says they love communism is not banging on the door to Cuba or North Korea. Let me know when you guys put your money where your mouths are and go to your utopian communist paradises.
 

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You can't win this one. You look foolish arguing against the evidence.
FYI, a couple years before this alleged "communist" you're so upset about wrote her college paper, I turned in a mid-term report on a biography of Marx. I was not kind. The bio was brief, sloppy, and my history prof praised me for knocking it down.

According to your standards, the fact that I even mentioned Marx means that I was then and still am an unrelenting communist. This is what counts as "evidence" for you.
 

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If someone has to go back to a person's college days to find something bad to say about a political opponent, it's a sure indicator they couldn't find anything in their following professional career.

It helps that in this particular instance, Omarova is opposed by people who don't know the definitions of the words they use. They expect the rest of us to cringe at the mention of Karl Marx and communism. After all, if Capitalism is so great, why are they so scared of someone who turned in a college assignment 40 years ago.

This is so silly. Look at world growth up to 1800. It's almost a straight line of nothing. Then the Enlightenment thinkers gave us the ideas behind capitalism: property rights, intellectual property rights, patents, free market trade, profit motive and then the line on the graph starts skyrocketing upwards from 1800 to the present. Just look at communist nations compared to capitalist ones. It's no contest. The poorest people in capitalist countries live better than the kings of old did. Poor people drive cars, have a smartphone, have a big screen TV in their house, heat, AC, etc. Everything has trickled down. Remember when only the rich could afford cell phones? Now everyone can thanks to capitalism making things more affordable for the average Joe. I agree that things could still be better for the poor but that's a long cry away from tearing down this whole system that is 99% effective with everything else. Poor people need more capitalism and capital, not less capitalism.

You can't win this one. You look foolish arguing against the evidence. Everyone who says they love communism is not banging on the door to Cuba or North Korea. Let me know when you guys put your money where your mouths are and go to your utopian communist paradises.
Okay. If all you have is someone else's word that she once wrote an essay on Marx, you showed up with nothing. What is silly is you thinking you can win an argument by defining all the terms and then presenting both sides, before declaring yourself the winner. Someone told you that communists want to take away your big screen TV and you bowed down at the altar of God's blessed accumulation of wealth, with the hope that someday the rich man will trickle some of his money on you.

I'm not the type who is easily frightened, or easily impressed, so you'll need more than "Ooooh, the scary communists want your microwave."

I think it's really impressive that I can walk to my kitchen and get a tall glass of ice water, which is something Ramses the Great never did, so that proves I live better than a Pharaoh. Of course it does.
 

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If someone has to go back to a person's college days to find something bad to say about a political opponent, it's a sure indicator they couldn't find anything in their following professional career.

It helps that in this particular instance, Omarova is opposed by people who don't know the definitions of the words they use. They expect the rest of us to cringe at the mention of Karl Marx and communism. After all, if Capitalism is so great, why are they so scared of someone who turned in a college assignment 40 years ago.

This is so silly. Look at world growth up to 1800. It's almost a straight line of nothing. Then the Enlightenment thinkers gave us the ideas behind capitalism: property rights, intellectual property rights, patents, free market trade, profit motive and then the line on the graph starts skyrocketing upwards from 1800 to the present. Just look at communist nations compared to capitalist ones. It's no contest. The poorest people in capitalist countries live better than the kings of old did. Poor people drive cars, have a smartphone, have a big screen TV in their house, heat, AC, etc. Everything has trickled down. Remember when only the rich could afford cell phones? Now everyone can thanks to capitalism making things more affordable for the average Joe. I agree that things could still be better for the poor but that's a long cry away from tearing down this whole system that is 99% effective with everything else. Poor people need more capitalism and capital, not less capitalism.

You can't win this one. You look foolish arguing against the evidence. Everyone who says they love communism is not banging on the door to Cuba or North Korea. Let me know when you guys put your money where your mouths are and go to your utopian communist paradises.
Comprehension issues or simple avoidance of points? Hard to say...

Just how many on this thread do you think are 'commies'? Besides your army of straw commies...
 

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If someone has to go back to a person's college days to find something bad to say about a political opponent, it's a sure indicator they couldn't find anything in their following professional career.

It helps that in this particular instance, Omarova is opposed by people who don't know the definitions of the words they use. They expect the rest of us to cringe at the mention of Karl Marx and communism. After all, if Capitalism is so great, why are they so scared of someone who turned in a college assignment 40 years ago.
That's the thing. I would tell anyone trying to look into my college or early internet years to stuff it.

Honestly, the things they would find would probably get me republican votes. I don't want those votes.
 

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I did read her writings. They sympathize with communism. Look at her tweet I posted about how the USSR didn't have a gender pay gap. YEAH, BECAUSE EVERYONE IS EQUALLY POOR OVER THERE!! She grew up under communism and she's using propaganda to appeal to the feminists. She knows everyone was equally poor over there. She's not dumb. She refused to hand over her Marxist theisis paper. What's she hiding in there? I can bet a million dollars that paper was not criticizing Marxism.

No. They aren't equally poor over there. However, pay is far more a matter of who you know than what you know. With pay and performance mostly disconnected most of the factors driving the pay gap aren't there.

Extremely savvy? He botched the Afghanistan withdrawal and left Americans stranded over there and didn't care. Inflation crisis that he doesn't care about. He's letting everyone come across the border and flying illegals into red states like Florida at 3AM, which DeSantis was complaining about. His approval rating is in the dirt. Democrats are also pushing for illegal immigrants to vote in elections. More people have died from COVID under Biden than Trump, despite Trump leaving him 3 vaccines.

How can anyone with a straight face say that Joe Biden is a savvy politician? He doesn't even know where he is half the time.

The worst botching of Afghanistan was His Flatulence (deliberately fucking up the visas for the people that we would be bringing out), not Biden.
 
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