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Biden Warns That American Values Are Under Assault by Trump-Led Extremism - The New York Times
President Biden traveled to Independence Hall on Thursday to warn that America's democratic values are under assault by forces of extremism loyal to former President Donald J. Trump, using a prime-time address to define the midterm elections as a “battle for the soul of this nation.”

In a 24-minute speech, Mr. Biden blamed his predecessor for stoking a movement filled with election deniers and people calling for political violence. He went out of his way to declare that not all Republicans embrace extremism, however, and he said that defending democracy would require rejecting Mr. Trump and his ideology in elections this fall.

“Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our Republic,” Mr. Biden said, flanked by Marine guards.

“But there’s no question that the Republican Party today is dominated, driven and intimidated by Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans,” he added. “And that is a threat to this country.”
That's also unusual in a political movement. Donald Trump represents the opposite of many things that Republicans claim to stand for, yet many Republicans in public office are afraid to cross him. One WaPo editorial writer speculated that they want someone else to get Trump out of the way, so they wouldn't be blamed for it. But they are lacking in the kind of political courage that Liz Cheney showed -- and that Mikhail Gorbachev and Frederik Willem de Klerk showed.
He cited the “extraordinary experiment of self-government” represented by the American Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, saying that “history tells us a blind loyalty to a single leader and a willingness to engage in political violence is fatal to democracy.”
A solution is to weaken or de-emphasize the top leader. That may be why parliamentary systems do so well in democracy rankings.
The president was interrupted by protesters who chanted “Let’s go Brandon,” a reference to a crude epithet aimed at Mr. Biden that is popular among Mr. Trump’s supporters. At one point, the president joked that “good manners is nothing they ever suffered from,” but he also defended their right to protest, saying “they’re entitled to be outrageous.”


Biden’s Message Shifts From Compromise to Combat Ahead of Midterms - The New York Times - "President Biden is spending less time hailing the virtues of unity and more time calling out Republicans and dangers to democracy."
He has accused Republicans of embracing “semi-fascism” by paying fealty to former President Donald J. Trump. He has blasted the party for being “full of anger, violence, hate and division.” And he has warned that the danger from Republicans loyal to Mr. Trump went far beyond differences in policy.

“They’re a threat to our very democracy,” he said of a party that he has spent a half-century working with to find common ground. “They refuse to accept the will of the people. They embrace political violence.”
Nice to see him combative instead of Clinton-Obama wimpiness.
 

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As Biden warned about democracy’s collapse, TV networks aired reruns - The Washington Post - "While broadcasters typically air a prime-time address by the president, they determined that this speech was more ‘political’ than newsworthy for live coverage"
While President Biden warned the nation about threats to democracy in a prime-time address on Thursday, ABC was airing a game show, “Press Your Luck.”

As Biden spelled out his objections to former president Donald Trump and “MAGA Republicans,” NBC was broadcasting a rerun of “Law and Order.” CBS skipped the speech to show a rerun of “Young Sheldon.”

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People involved in negotiations over Thursday’s address said the networks deemed Biden’s remarks as “political” in nature and therefore decided not to televise it. These people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe sensitive discussions, cited the speech’s criticism of Trump — who may run in the Republican presidential primaries in 2024 — and its timing two months before the midterm elections.

Broadcast Networks So Far Are Holding Off On Carrying Joe Biden Speech – Deadline
ABC ran Press Your Luck, CBS went with a Young Sheldon rerun and NBC with a Law & Order replay. CNN and MSNBC carried the address, as did news division streaming channels, but Fox News stuck with Tucker Carlson and his critique of the speech as it was happening.
 

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The idea that all Trump voters are MAGA is untrue. I know some Trump voters and the only reason they voted for Trump is that they did not want Democrat to win. So, the conclusion that Biden called all Trump voters threats is false.
The right is making MAGA the new deplorable. The right is telling people that voted for Trump that Biden called them an enemy of the state just for voting. It is a good tactic.
 

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The idea that all Trump voters are MAGA is untrue. I know some Trump voters and the only reason they voted for Trump is that they did not want Democrat to win. So, the conclusion that Biden called all Trump voters threats is false.
The right is making MAGA the new deplorable. The right is telling people that voted for Trump that Biden called them an enemy of the state just for voting.

This is correct. We are at a moment, basically it is a repeat of the "half a basket of deplorables" moment. The right wing is screaming, using all their conservative media, social influencers, and straight-out lying propagandists to claim Biden said something he didn't quite say.

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It is a good tactic.

I think it's a bit early to say. Of course, Biden could have used terminology less open to shenanigan interpretations like say "extremist wing of the Republican Party." On the other hand, Biden isn't Hillary and so many independents are more open to the message and get that MAGA Republicans doesn't mean all Republicans. Secondly, there are more tangible on-going struggles against the MAGA at the moment, including the Jan 6th hearings, for example. This will continue to get exposure with non-MAGA Republicans like Cheney participating in the findings.
 

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He condemned half of America as enemies of the state because they chose not to vote for him or his party. I can't recall, ever, a president using a primetime address to be so brazingly hateful and partisan.

Such irony. Totally unintended, I’m sure.
 

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Included text from ZiprHead's tweet link:
Mehdi Hasan on Twitter: "Fox and the Republicans are losing their minds over Joe Biden calling MAGA "semi-fascist."
But they'd never call their political opponents "fascists," right? Right??
You'll be shocked, shocked I tell you! Roll the tape: (vid link)" / Twitter
With several right-wingers doing that: Newt Gingrich, Steve (?), Atty. Gnrl. Bill Barr, Jeanine Pirro, Tucker Carlson, Mark Levin, (?), Dan Crenshaw, (?), (?), Steve Miller
Was it really necessary to create a link to something that people can actually already see without leaving the site?
 

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I prefer linking to inlining - it's more reliable and causes less clutter.

Kevin McCarthy on Twitter: "Instead of trying to bring our country together to solve the MANY problems he has created, President Biden has chosen to divide, demean, and disparage his fellow Americans—simply because they disagree with his policies.
Mr. President: you owe millions of Americans an apology. (pic link)" / Twitter

then
Ilhan Omar on Twitter: "You defended Trump who called Democrats “savages” & ”unAmerican”, wanted to send American citizens who are lawmakers back to God knows where, mocked Americans with disabilities, embraced white supremacists and said women should be grabbed by the pussy.
Maybe sit this one out." / Twitter



Rep. Jim Jordan on Twitter: "Biden calling half the country “extremists,”while inflation soars, grocery prices rise, and crime skyrockets is not the “unity” that was promised." / Twitter
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Steve Schmidt on Twitter: "I’ll explain it. First, you are in fact a fascist. Second he did not call half the country anything. He precisely called a malignancy a malignancy. The malignancy is MAGA and he was speaking of the extremist hustlers like you. The American crisis is being caused by an internal" / Twitter
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Steve Schmidt on Twitter: "2/ threat. It numbers in the thousands. @Jim_Jordan is part of that threat. President Biden talked about the pancreatic cancer not the human body infected by it. He talked about MAGA not Republicans. He talked about America, democracy and a very real threat. U are the threat Jim" / Twitter
 

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Right-wing commentator Jonah Goldberg once wrote a book called "Liberal Fascism".
From that last one:
Why did Jonah Goldberg write Liberal Fascism? To find out, you must wade through 391 pages of tendentious scholarship. A mighty jackbooted procession—Herbert Croly, John Dewey, Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini, Herbert Marcuse, John F. Kennedy, Saul Alinsky, Ralph Nader, Hillary Clinton—goose-steps across the page to illustrate Goldberg’s apparent belief that, with the exception of Adam Smith’s The Wealth of Nations and everything published in National Review (where Goldberg is contributing editor), every word previously written or spoken in favor of mobilizing the citizenry was either proto-fascist, fascist, or heavily influenced by fascism. On Page 392, though, Goldberg emerges from his dusty carrel and gives it to us straight:

Ever since I joined the public conversation as a conservative writer, I’ve been called a fascist and a Nazi by smug, liberal know-nothings, sublimely confident of the truth of their ill-informed prejudices. Responding to this slander is, as a point of personal privilege alone, a worthwhile endeavor.

Liberal Fascism, then, is a howl of rage disguised as intellectual history. Some mean liberals called Goldberg hurtful names, so he’s responding with 400 pages that boil down to: I know you are, but what am I?
 

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He condemned half of America as enemies of the state
Way to lead with a lie. Going downhill from there is quite a feat.
Claiming that right wing extremist MAGAts comprise half of America is laughable.
Perhaps you didn’t know;
They are about 40% (and dropping) of the 28% (and dropping) who are Republicans. No more than 9-12% of Americans.
That they are an outsized threat is the point.

That ALL Republicans shit their pants when some of them (including their latest orange embarrassment) are called out, is an amazing extreme of hypocrisy, given the garbage coming out of that orange orifice. The fucker has attacked every law enforcement agency, intel agency, oversight mechanism and court, along with all Democrats, plus those Republicans who tell the truth about him.
 

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Biden through down the gauntlet, explicitly.

Considering Trump's long history of blatant slander and personal attack I don't see where the republicans have any reason for posturing and faux hurt.

All speeches by presidents are political. Biden is a hardened experienced politician. Despite his from the hip gaffes I doubt he says nothing formally he has not thought out and passed around.

The pundits' analysis ran through a range of views. The mid terms and presidentil elections are shaping up as Trump a threat to democracy vs inflation, immigration, and crime.

The republicans aka Trump lap dogs criticizing the speech as political is laughable.

Personally I think Biden was right on the mark. Trump represents an existential threat to our system. I don't think it will get him reelected.

I want the southern border closed. The democrats are doing nothing. I want to her Biden get tough on the border.
 

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He condemned half of America as enemies of the state because they chose not to vote for him or his party. I can't recall, ever, a president using a primetime address to be so brazingly hateful and partisan.

Just to beat the proverbial dead horse on how wrong you are:


Donald Trump has branded Joe Biden an "enemy of the state" as he hit back at the US president's assertion that the former leader and his supporters are undermining American democracy.

"He's an enemy of the state. You want to know the truth. The enemy of the state is him," Mr Trump said.

Do you see me being outraged, clutching pearls and proclaim, "well I never"? Do you want to know why not? Because the cunt has being spewing this sort of crap on prime time for fucking years. But the one time someone accurately calls out MAGA twats for what they are and it's the end of the fucking world.

Fucking hell what a bunch of soft cocks Q-tards are. Willing to dish it out, too scared shitless to take it. The sad thing is if they took 1% of the time they are outraged and place it into some self reflection, they'd be better off.
 

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Are people still claiming that 74,216,154 people are "half of the US"? Because it looks like 23% to me.

Of the 74M Trump voters, how many do you actually think are MAGA extremists? 80%? 50%? 30%?

No matter what, it is less than 1/4 of the population.
 

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I actually enjoyed the speech, in an ironic sort of way.

They're no longer pretending.
This has to be the most incoherent piece of bullshit you have ever typed. Take a bow. "They're no longer pretending"? Well done Glenn Beck.

No clarification on who "they" are, what "they" were "pretending" previously and why this is "ironic". And yet you get upset when people misconstrue what you...spew? Spam? Shit out all over the keyboard? I'd ask you to clarify, but we all know where there that shitstorm ends up.
 

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I actually have no problem with the content of this speech and if you do not actually look at the speech it is fine with me. Lets all get together and put the last election behind us. But when you actually watch the video...... WTF was going on with the lighting and the red colors?!!! There is obvious symbolism with dark lighting and red colors and would seem at first glance just to be a very poor choice. But politicians are generally more careful not to notice such imagery, causing me to wonder what Biden was actually attempting to convey. Is he actually trying to calm the country down or instead stir things up more? Why is he trying to look like master darth sidious attempting a 1 party rule??

Honestly I don't get this at all. Perhaps some of you pro Biden supporters can help me out.
 

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So you don't really have a point to make then. Good to know. I really should have figured that out about you sooner.
 

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Is he actually trying to calm the country down or instead stir things up more?
I think the answer is evident if you listen to the speech. He is, as you say, blasting the MAGAts. On one hand, that might stir “things” (MAGAts) up. On the other, he is trying to unite reasonable people regardless of Party, to oppose and prevent MAGAt fascism from abolishing democracy and converting America to the kleptocracy of Trump’s dreams.
Trump is desperate, and any attempt to restrain him will be met with violence. Having once elected him, that is now a price we will pay to get rid of him. Otherwise we lose everything.
 

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He condemned half of America as enemies of the state because they chose not to vote for him or his party. I can't recall, ever, a president using a primetime address to be so brazingly hateful and partisan. But to say that Biden is not the facist is kind of joke. After all:

“The Fascist conception of life…accepts the individual only in so far as his interests coincide with those of the State.” —Benito Mussolini
"Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country."

BTW, what is "brazingly"?

And here's another one for you: "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought."
 

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Biden through down the gauntlet, explicitly.

Considering Trump's long history of blatant slander and personal attack I don't see where the republicans have any reason for posturing and faux hurt.

All speeches by presidents are political. Biden is a hardened experienced politician. Despite his from the hip gaffes I doubt he says nothing formally he has not thought out and passed around.

The pundits' analysis ran through a range of views. The mid terms and presidentil elections are shaping up as Trump a threat to democracy vs inflation, immigration, and crime.

The republicans aka Trump lap dogs criticizing the speech as political is laughable.

Personally I think Biden was right on the mark. Trump represents an existential threat to our system. I don't think it will get him reelected.

I want the southern border closed. The democrats are doing nothing. I want to her Biden get tough on the border.
I don't have a problem at all with the content of Bidens speech. But why did he make himself appear like Darth Sidious with all the darkness and red coloring? How was that visual supposed to bring the nation together?
 

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Is he actually trying to calm the country down or instead stir things up more?
I think the answer is evident if you listen to the speech. He is, as you say, blasting the MAGAts. On one hand, that might stir “things” (MAGAts) up. On the other, he is trying to unite reasonable people regardless of Party, to oppose and prevent MAGAt fascism from abolishing democracy and converting America to the kleptocracy of Trump’s dreams.
Trump is desperate, and any attempt to restrain him will be met with violence. Having once elected him, that is now a price we will pay to get rid of him. Otherwise we lose everything.
It might be an appropriate time to remind you....that if discord continues further into civil war there is one side that is heavily armed and trigger happy. That same side being trained and experienced in firearms.

It is in no ones best interest to stir things up more.
 

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Is he actually trying to calm the country down or instead stir things up more?
I think the answer is evident if you listen to the speech. He is, as you say, blasting the MAGAts. On one hand, that might stir “things” (MAGAts) up. On the other, he is trying to unite reasonable people regardless of Party, to oppose and prevent MAGAt fascism from abolishing democracy and converting America to the kleptocracy of Trump’s dreams.
Trump is desperate, and any attempt to restrain him will be met with violence. Having once elected him, that is now a price we will pay to get rid of him. Otherwise we lose everything.
It might be an appropriate time to remind you....that if discord continues further into civil war there is one side that is heavily armed and trigger happy. That same side being trained and experienced in firearms.

It is in no ones best interest to stir things up more.
This seems like a threat.
 

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Is he actually trying to calm the country down or instead stir things up more?
I think the answer is evident if you listen to the speech. He is, as you say, blasting the MAGAts. On one hand, that might stir “things” (MAGAts) up. On the other, he is trying to unite reasonable people regardless of Party, to oppose and prevent MAGAt fascism from abolishing democracy and converting America to the kleptocracy of Trump’s dreams.
Trump is desperate, and any attempt to restrain him will be met with violence. Having once elected him, that is now a price we will pay to get rid of him. Otherwise we lose everything.
It might be an appropriate time to remind you....that if discord continues further into civil war there is one side that is heavily armed and trigger happy. That same side being trained and experienced in firearms.

It is in no ones best interest to stir things up more.
This seems like a threat.
It is just logic. When A happens you can expect B. And I don't want to see B happen.
 

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Is he actually trying to calm the country down or instead stir things up more?
I think the answer is evident if you listen to the speech. He is, as you say, blasting the MAGAts. On one hand, that might stir “things” (MAGAts) up. On the other, he is trying to unite reasonable people regardless of Party, to oppose and prevent MAGAt fascism from abolishing democracy and converting America to the kleptocracy of Trump’s dreams.
Trump is desperate, and any attempt to restrain him will be met with violence. Having once elected him, that is now a price we will pay to get rid of him. Otherwise we lose everything.
It might be an appropriate time to remind you....that if discord continues further into civil war there is one side that is heavily armed and trigger happy. That same side being trained and experienced in firearms.
Like the Uvalde police? As a reminder, it is one thing to be armed... it is another thing to fight a war. Look at Russia in Ukraine.
It is in no ones best interest to stir things up more.
Yes... because it is the Democrats fomenting hate.

Trump held a rally to storm the US Capitol Building to stop Biden's election becoming law. Biden told people to vote. OMFG!
 

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Is he actually trying to calm the country down or instead stir things up more?
I think the answer is evident if you listen to the speech. He is, as you say, blasting the MAGAts. On one hand, that might stir “things” (MAGAts) up. On the other, he is trying to unite reasonable people regardless of Party, to oppose and prevent MAGAt fascism from abolishing democracy and converting America to the kleptocracy of Trump’s dreams.
Trump is desperate, and any attempt to restrain him will be met with violence. Having once elected him, that is now a price we will pay to get rid of him. Otherwise we lose everything.
It might be an appropriate time to remind you....that if discord continues further into civil war there is one side that is heavily armed and trigger happy. That same side being trained and experienced in firearms.

It is in no ones best interest to stir things up more.
This seems like a threat.
It is just logic. When A happens you can expect B. And I don't want to see B happen.
So we should all just lay down and accept right wing rule because they're "heavily armed and trigger happy"?

Might makes right?

I mean, you say you don't want to see "B" happen, but you're basically also saying you think B is the "logical" choice.
 

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I actually enjoyed the speech, in an ironic sort of way.

They're no longer pretending.
Yes. The Dems are no longer pretending that the GOP primary's results propping up a bunch of 2020 Election deniers isn't a threat to our nation's democracy. That the mere saying the 2020 election was "stolen" lifted people up in the polls once anointed by Donald Trump.

The Democrats have indeed decided to say what we know, Donald Trump and the right-wing fascist wave he is riding is a threat to our democracy. Half of the alt-right GOP House voted against the election in 2020.
 

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Trump held a rally to storm the US Capitol Building to stop Biden's election becoming law. Biden told people to vote. OMFG!
Once again. I don't have a problem at all with the content of his speech. I have a problem with the visuals. In today's world it is the visuals that people are going to react to. And it would be one thing if you could say those visuals were a mistake but we both know they weren't.
 

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I mean, you say you don't want to see "B" happen, but you're basically also saying you think B is the "logical" choice.
I'm saying a more skillful politician might be able to actually bring the country together insead of dividing it even more.
 

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Trump held a rally to storm the US Capitol Building to stop Biden's election becoming law. Biden told people to vote. OMFG!
Once again. I don't have a problem at all with the content of his speech. I have a problem with the visuals. In today's world it is the visuals that people are going to react to. And it would be one thing if you could say those visuals were a mistake but we both know they weren't.
Today on hyper-technical criticism.

Oh what he said was perfectly fine, but... the hue was sending the wrong message.
I mean, you say you don't want to see "B" happen, but you're basically also saying you think B is the "logical" choice.
I'm saying a more skillful politician might be able to actually bring the country together insead of dividing it even more.
You mean Biden should have worked harder to unite the people that voted for the 2020 Election Fraud candidates?
 

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I mean, you say you don't want to see "B" happen, but you're basically also saying you think B is the "logical" choice.
I'm saying a more skillful politician might be able to actually bring the country together insead of dividing it even more.
Okay...so you agree with the right wing that Biden's speech was the most divisive thing anyone had ever done, because....red lights?

Do I need to remind you of the color of the hats at the latest Trump rally? Can you point to something Trump said that was super unifying? How is it that demanding he be reinstated is unifying?

The threat is, "either unify behind Trump, because his supporters are armed and willing to commit violence."
 
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