Black Lives Matter held the Toronto Pride Parade hostage for 30 minutes

[Derec]

A little much, don't you think?

That's Ford for you. He is well known for such baseless insults. He really has nothing else in his intellectual quiver.

 

[Derec]

You where criticizing the entire BLM organization from a single event including only a tiny part of their fans.

Wrong. I am criticizing the entire #BLM organization based on instance after instance going back to Michael Brown riots in 2014 and their lies about that case.
Also I see nobody in the #BLM movement criticizing other #BLMers when they do shit like this, or any other disruptive or destructive things #BLM has done. Silence indicates assent.

 

[Derec]

I'd agree to a certain extent that some BLM protestors are over the top assholes, and I'd even agree they take their protests too far. But this is what happens when police unions protect rogue cops decade, after decade, after decade.

When there is a real case of a "rogue cop" I do not see it happening. Police union did not shield say Michael Slager in Charleston and he was charged with murder of Walter Scott.
But #BLM see every cop who shoots a black person as a "murderer" and want to see him convicted no matter the circumstances. #BLM really got going when Michael Brown, a thug who robbed a store and attacked a cop, was killed. #BLM did not care about the facts, they only thing they cared about is that Michael Brown was black. Even after the shooting was shown to be justified. Or remember when they insisted that police killed Sandra Bland even though she actually killed herself?

If cops were actually held to the higher standard they swore to uphold, instead of behaving like mafia soldiers, this shit wouldn't happen.

I don't know what this "higher standard" is supposed to mean. Police officers do not relinquish their right to self defense when they put on an uniform. They are also required to engage criminal suspects or otherwise put themselves in dangerous situations when a regular citizen would have the duty to retreat or at the very least have no duty to engage. Should Darren Wilson not have defended himself when Michael Brown attacked him? Should the cop who killed Tony "not Baldrick" Robinson not have defended himself when he was attacked in the stairwell? Should Jamar Clark not have been shot when he went for the cop's gun?

 

[Juma]

Silence indicates assent.

No, it doesnt.

 

[Derec]

Silence indicates assent.

No, it doesnt.

If it is silence about behavior of people from the same organization/movement, it does. In any case, I have never seen any #BLM leaders condemn tactics like disrupting the gay pride parade. That indicates at least a tacit approval.

 

[RavenSky]

I don't see where he was racist - though I haven't been a regular here.

I fully accept that I may be being unfair. All that remains is for someone to find all the posts where Derec defends black people.


I'll wait.

I don't even need for Derec to defend a black person to believe he isn't racist. I'd settle for just a single post by Derec where he wasn't vilifying the black person - especially innocent victims such as Tamir Rice.

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[RavenSky]

I'd agree to a certain extent that some BLM protestors are over the top assholes, and I'd even agree they take their protests too far. But this is what happens when police unions protect rogue cops decade, after decade, after decade. If cops were actually held to the higher standard they swore to uphold, instead of behaving like mafia soldiers, this shit wouldn't happen.

^^^ This.

Though I do agree with Jolly a little bit that #BLM (& all protest groups) should choose their time and place with more care as to "optics". When a group is protesting an ally or shutting down another oppressed group's event, it doesn't generate sympathy for one's own cause.

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[laughing dog]

For the most part....

And for the most part, racists of all sorts are shunned. Yet you persist in your one-sided race-based attacks. You are not fooling anyone.

They all chose to organize under the #BLM banner. Kind of like I can criticize all people who join the KKK because of what I know about KKK in general.

"Cand" and "do" are different actions. You are not fooling anyone.

No, but all #BLMers do. Even the white ones.

As others have pointed out, your generalizations are based on faulty reasoning. You are not fooling anyone.

 

[laughing dog]

No, it doesnt.

If it is silence about behavior of people from the same organization/movement, it does. In any case, I have never seen any #BLM leaders condemn tactics like disrupting the gay pride parade. That indicates at least a tacit approval.

First of all, BLM is not an organization or movement with a leadership structure. So it is a bit of stretch to assume everyone is on the same page.

Second, silence does not necessarily indicate tacit approval.

Of course, you are free to draw whatever conclusions you wish, but you probably do not want your "logic" adopted as a standard. For example, if I were to adopt your standard, I would assume your failure to condemn the crimes of Deryl Dedmon, John Rice, Dylan Butler,
and William Montgomery (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/03/01/four-white-men-ordered-to-pay-840000-for-jim-crow-style-lynching-of-mississippi-black-man/) means you tacitly approve of their actions.

 

[Keith&Co.]

I don't see where he was racist - though I haven't been a regular here.

I fully accept that I may be being unfair. All that remains is for someone to find all the posts where Derec defends black people.


I'll wait.

Well, when the cops shoot a black person, Derec's there to support their decision to do so.
When the victim has a shady past that the cops could in no way have known at the time, he's there to support their decision.
When the system exonerates the cop or refuses to even investigate the shooting, he supports that.

Because he holds everyone to the same standards.

Of course, if a black person is NOT shot by the cops, then it's not that the cops or their superiors made a good decision, he blames it on BLM influence, for getting someone off 'scot free' after spitting on those cops who usually make such wonderful decisions on punishment in the streets.

So it's weird that he feels BLM is getting things done in one thread AND derides their efforts in this one.

 

[laughing dog]

This was in Toronto. When was the last black person unjustly killed by racist cops in Toronto? Your country's issues are bleeding into my country's gay pride parades. Tsk tsk tsk.

Shit, I don't know.

Neither did Jolly Penguin. The group published its reasons for the disruption (source: https://m.reddit.com/r/toronto/comments/4r4tl2/full_statement_from_black_lives_matter_toronto_on/) which include
1) their perception that the Pride Toronto has "..shown little honour to Black/trans communities, and other marginalized communities",
2) their perception of "Pride's anti-Blackness in structural and financial decisions", and
3) their alleged harassment at a recent community fair by police.

So, this protest had nothing to do with anything in the USA.

 

[repoman]

I really think that BLM may be baiting responses to their actions. If they get kicked out of next years Pride Parade in Toronto or disinvited to some other event they will just get more money out of it. This is turning into a racket. There is no incentive to act respectful or mature.

Ok, what IS a good organization that deals with this topic? I would not mind giving them the spotlight or even money.

Is the problem that in order to get attention in this shitty media age organizations have to be loony? Cream doesn't rise to the top anymore, only greasy turds do, as in Trump and Clinton for example. PETA gets a lot of attention also. Idiocracy is now.

Here is some more over emotional nonsense:

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

They also hijacked a recent public apology from the Toronto police to the gay community in Toronto for events that happened decades ago (raids on bathhouses that Toronto is rightly ashamed of today). The public apology was set well in advance and was to be a gay pride event. BLM interjected themselves there too. Talk about bad press for BLM...

 

[repoman]

In the same way that Trump should be shunned for press attention so should BLM. Come at us with cogent arguments and respect and they we will listen.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Come at us with
cogent arguments and respect and they we will listen.

I've never, ever seen a republican listen to any opposing argument with sympathetic ears. They always despise any form of sympathy. That's why you get the phrase "bleeding heart liberal".

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Come at us with
cogent arguments and respect and they we will listen.

I've never, ever seen a republican listen to any opposing argument with sympathetic ears. They always despise any form of sympathy. That's why you get the phrase "bleeding heart liberal".

There are no Republicans in Toronto And our conservatives tend to be to the left of your Democrats.

 

[laughing dog]

In the same way that Trump should be shunned for press attention so should BLM. Come at us with cogent arguments and respect and they we will listen.

I am not condoning their strategy or behavior, but I strongly suspect they really don't care what people like you or JP feel or think. It is pretty clear they are not interested in garnering the support of conservatives or the general public. This protest was specifically and primarily aimed at the group Pride Toronto for specific reasons - the Toronto police were a tertiary target.

 

[J842P]

No, but all #BLMers do. Even the white ones.

You must have been beside yourself with joy when this happened:


http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/the-kkk-kills-three-civil-rights-activists

Wow, what a despicable and uncalled for accusation. You should be ashamed.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

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[Mumbles]

Shit, I don't know.

Neither did Jolly Penguin. The group published its reasons for the disruption (source: https://m.reddit.com/r/toronto/comments/4r4tl2/full_statement_from_black_lives_matter_toronto_on/) which include
1) their perception that the Pride Toronto has "..shown little honour to Black/trans communities, and other marginalized communities",
2) their perception of "Pride's anti-Blackness in structural and financial decisions", and
3) their alleged harassment at a recent community fair by police.

So, this protest had nothing to do with anything in the USA.

It's worth pointing out that this has been a long-standing issue within the LGBT rights movement, much as it has been within feminism. And it's not at all surprising that Black Lives matter, and for that matter many black people, do not find the presence of police in major cities to very very reassuring of their safety, in large part because many of these departments have seemingly gone to great lengths to show their hostility towards black people in general, and black LGBT people in particular.

(And yes, there's also a discussion to be had about how pro-black movements often ignore black women, but that's for another time and thread)