Black Lives Matter held the Toronto Pride Parade hostage for 30 minutes

[Tom Sawyer]

I'd say that a couple of weeks after a guy gunned down a bunch of people in a gay club and another guy was arrested for trying to go to a LGBT march with a bunch of assault rifles and the leader of the country was marching in the parade, a large police presence would be warranted.

These people are morons.

 

[Metaphor]

I'd say that a couple of weeks after a guy gunned down a bunch of people in a gay club and another guy was arrested for trying to go to a LGBT march with a bunch of assault rifles and the leader of the country was marching in the parade, a large police presence would be warranted.

These people are morons.

It's worse than that; they want the removal of police floats in Pride marches/parades (demand #8 of their manifesto).

To borrow the language of SJWs, they want to erase the identity of queer cops. Queer nurses who are proud of their job, they can march in uniform; queer firefighters who are proud of their job, they can march in uniform. Queer cops? Scumbags who don't deserve pride! If queer cops want to march, they'll have to specifically make sure they don't identify that they're cops.

If I had wanted to write a fictive scenario designed to make people less sympathetic to #BLM, I could scarcely have done better than this stunt.

 

[repoman]

I had some hand me down issues of Mad Magazine from the 60s that ribbed campus radicals (though it lampooned the government and businesses more), that was pretty close to this.

Also some of the things from the Müller-Fokker Effect by John Sladek were similar.

 

[Toni]

For the most part. On the other hand, 60th of New York just elected Charles Barron (who was long time NYC councilmember) who is a black racist, former Black Panther, has invited Robert Mugabe to NYC city council as guest of honor and supports Louis Farrakhan.

Remind me again: exactly how long did Strom Thurmond serve as senator from South Carolina?

 

[Derec]

Remind me again: exactly how long did Strom Thurmond serve as senator from South Carolina?

Well the last decades of his tenure were by incumbent inertia mostly. His heyday was many decades ago. Barron was just elected to state assembly.
Also Thurmond was never in the KKK while, Robert Byrd, a Democrat, who served in the Senate until 2010 (Thurmond retired in 2003, shorty before his death), was not only a member but a Grand Dragon. So I wonder why you chose Thurmond and not Byrd. Well, not really, I know you chose him because of R after his name.
In any case, both of them started their Senate careers in the 50s. Racial radicals acceptable in politics today are mostly of anti-white variety (like the aforementioned Barron).

 

[Toni]

Remind me again: exactly how long did Strom Thurmond serve as senator from South Carolina?

Well the last decades of his tenure were by incumbent inertia mostly. His heyday was many decades ago. Barron was just elected to state assembly.
Also Thurmond was never in the KKK while, Robert Byrd, a Democrat, who served in the Senate until 2010 (Thurmond retired in 2003, shorty before his death), was not only a member but a Grand Dragon. So I wonder why you chose Thurmond and not Byrd. Well, not really, I know you chose him because of R after his name.
In any case, both of them started their Senate careers in the 50s. Racial radicals acceptable in politics today are mostly of anti-white variety (like the aforementioned Barron).

So, that was..how many years, exactly?

No, I chose Thurmond because he was elected over and over and over again. And why was that? His reputation, actually. His reputation as a virulent racist. Not
incumbent inertia.' His constituency elected him on purpose. Yet you never seem to have even a smidge of outrage over his tenure as Senator, or Byrd, or any of the other Klansmen or members of the John Birch Society, etc.

Your outrage is a one way street, it seems.

 

[laughing dog]

Remind me again: exactly how long did Strom Thurmond serve as senator from South Carolina?

Well the last decades of his tenure were by incumbent inertia mostly. His heyday was many decades ago. Barron was just elected to state assembly.
Also Thurmond was never in the KKK while, Robert Byrd, a Democrat, who served in the Senate until 2010 (Thurmond retired in 2003, shorty before his death), was not only a member but a Grand Dragon. So I wonder why you chose Thurmond and not Byrd. Well, not really, I know you chose him because of R after his name.
In any case, both of them started their Senate careers in the 50s. Racial radicals acceptable in politics today are mostly of anti-white variety (like the aforementioned Barron).

Let me get this straight - you handwave away Thurmonds racism because it happened a long time ago, but you bring Barron's membership in the Black Panthers even though it happened a long time ago. You really are not fooling anyone.

 

[Derec]

Well, when the cops shoot a black person, Derec's there to support their decision to do so.

Not in every case. I didn't think Walter Scott's shooting was justified for example.
But it is the fact that most police shootings are justified, regardless of race of the shootee. But when a black person is shot the #BLMers will support that person even if the shooting is justified (archetype being Michael Brown)

When the victim has a shady past that the cops could in no way have known at the time, he's there to support their decision.

It is not the point that the cops did or did not know about the "shady past". It is that history of violent crimes makes it more likely that the perp will act violently toward police, justifying the shooting. The shooting is not justified because of the perp's shady past, but the shady past makes it more likely that
Michael Brown provides a prime example. In the beginning we were given police version, that MB attacked the cop, and his friend's version that the cop shot him as he was surrendering. We were told MB was a good kid, a "gentle giant" who would not attack a cop. And indeed, it seemed an unlikely thing for him to do. Until the truth of what he was doing that day came out, that he had just robbed a store, which made police version much more credible. And it turned out to fit most witness accounts and well as forensic evidence (was not shot from behind, walked/ran 20 feet from where he was first shot (excluding hand wound sustained at cop car) toward the cop until he was fatally shot etc.)

When the system exonerates the cop or refuses to even investigate the shooting, he supports that.

I never support not investigating the shooting. But when investigation exonerates the cop, why should I not support that?

Of course, if a black person is NOT shot by the cops, then it's not that the cops or their superiors made a good decision, he blames it on BLM influence, for getting someone off 'scot free' after spitting on those cops who usually make such wonderful decisions on punishment in the streets.

Do you think spitting on cops is ok? Do you think a person who is charged with a felony should be able to take advantage of a program limited to misdemeanor offenders just because she is black and/or her supporters protest with bullhorns?

So it's weird that he feels BLM is getting things done in one thread AND derides their efforts in this one.

They are a racist, anti-police group so whatever things they get done is ultimately detrimental to this country.

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Let me get this straight - you handwave away Thurmonds racism because it happened a long time ago, but you bring Barron's membership in the Black Panthers even though it happened a long time ago. You really are not fooling anyone.

I am not handwaving anything. The man's been dead for 13 years so he is already in the past and I wasn't a fan of him anyway. Mugabe, Ghaddafi and Farakkahan-loving Barron is still here. And his Black Panther membership is especially relevant because he is still holding to his racist attitudes from his BP days.

 

[Derec]

So, that was..how many years, exactly?

You have access to Wikipedia just as I do.

No, I chose Thurmond because he was elected over and over and over again.

So was Grand Dragon Byrd.

Your outrage is a one way street, it seems.

Thurmond has been dead for 13 years. Barron has just been elected to NY state legislature.

 

[laughing dog]

I am not handwaving anything. The man's been dead for 13 years so he is already in the past and I wasn't a fan of him anyway. Mugabe, Ghaddafi and Farakkahan-loving Barron is still here. And his Black Panther membership is especially relevant because he is still holding to his racist attitudes from his BP days.

Thurmond was a racist who was continually re-elected. David Duke is still around in the news now and then (in fact, he endorsed Barron). You are only fooling yourself with your responses.

 

[Derec]

First of all, BLM is not an organization or movement with a leadership structure. So it is a bit of stretch to assume everyone is on the same page.

You would expect people to distance themselves if they do not believe what some other faction of the movement does. Or even better, a good old fashioned schism.

Although, "Black Front of Lives Mattering" sounds clunky so they biggest challenge might be coming up with names for all the splinter groups.

Second, silence does not necessarily indicate tacit approval.

It is if a part of your movement does something disagreeable to you.

Of course, you are free to draw whatever conclusions you wish, but you probably do not want your "logic" adopted as a standard. For example, if I were to adopt your standard, I would assume your failure to condemn the crimes of Deryl Dedmon, John Rice, Dylan Butler,

I never heard of those people. Do we belong to the same organization/movement?
Again, I am saying this applies to those who belong to #BLM, not black people in general.

 

[Derec]

I don't even need for Derec to defend a black person to believe he isn't racist.

Except I did. I have defended black republicans against unfair attacks in the past on here. I also said that the killing of Walter Scott was not justified.

I'd settle for just a single post by Derec where he wasn't vilifying the black person - especially innocent victims such as Tamir Rice.

I never vilified Tamir Rice. That is a libelous statement!
What I said about that case is that it is a tragedy where many people made mistakes: dispatcher, cops, Tamir's friend who removed the tip, and yes, Tamir himself. But saying somebody made a mistake that contributed to his death is not vilifying him. I guess to you anything other than "the cops are racist murderers" would be vilifying Tamir.

 

[Sea of red]

When there is a real case of a "rogue cop" I do not see it happening. Police union did not shield say Michael Slager in Charleston and he was charged with murder of Walter Scott.
But #BLM see every cop who shoots a black person as a "murderer" and want to see him convicted no matter the circumstances. #BLM really got going when Michael Brown, a thug who robbed a store and attacked a cop, was killed. #BLM did not care about the facts, they only thing they cared about is that Michael Brown was black. Even after the shooting was shown to be justified. Or remember when they insisted that police killed Sandra Bland even though she actually killed herself?

If cops were actually held to the higher standard they swore to uphold, instead of behaving like mafia soldiers, this shit wouldn't happen.

I don't know what this "higher standard" is supposed to mean. Police officers do not relinquish their right to self defense when they put on an uniform. They are also required to engage criminal suspects or otherwise put themselves in dangerous situations when a regular citizen would have the duty to retreat or at the very least have no duty to engage. Should Darren Wilson not have defended himself when Michael Brown attacked him? Should the cop who killed Tony "not Baldrick" Robinson not have defended himself when he was attacked in the stairwell? Should Jamar Clark not have been shot when he went for the cop's gun?

The reason I don't have much sympathy for cops is two fold: 1)the vast majority of them are rude dicks like so many other 'public servants', 2)they consistently conspire in order to protect themselves and other cops.

Sandra Bland, Freddie Gray, Tamir Rice, Eric Garner, and the many, many, other victims of police brutality (of all races) are good demonstrations of the level of 'professionalism' expected from modern police departments. No matter what, they are like gods that take even the most minor situation and escalate it in the name of their fragile ego's. They are willing to kill you over something that has harmed no citizen, or endangered anyone. Then if you do get arrested, expect to be treated with the utmost disrespect, and lack of empathy for any underlying medical issues.

Are some cops cool guys/girls? I'm sure there are. But most of the ones I've meet couldn't care less about the public, doing a good job, and actually making the community better. Most of them are willing to enforce the most fascist of laws and conveniently blame the lawmakers for the choices they make. Then to top it off, that smug fucking attitude that somebody that is on MY dime gives me, really does leave a bad taste in my mouth.

Sorry, that's not necessarily a hero. That's just somebody that stumbled across a gig to project their fucking authority complex on to the public.

And, no, I won't call one when I'm trouble. There's no situation they can't fuck-up worse.

 

[Ford]

Robert Byrd, a Democrat, who served in the Senate until 2010 (Thurmond retired in 2003, shorty before his death), was not only a member but a Grand Dragon.

The same Robert Byrd that quit the Klan in 1952? The man who said joining was the "greatest mistake of his life" and called his membership an "albatross" around his neck that he spent his later years apologizing for?


I find it endlessly fascinating that years after he was buried, right wingers still routinely exhume Byrd - and his Klan membership - as proof that Democrats are somehow still the "real" racists even though the man himself left the organization when he was 25.


And while his total transformation on race relations took perhaps an overly long time, it is the one aspect of his life that should be noted if not celebrated. A person born in an environment where segregation and virulent racism were woven into the society, died a man who had won a 100% approval rating from the NAACP. He went from Klan member to a person who understood deeply that...well...black lives matter.

 

[Sea of red]

Except I did. I have defended black republicans against unfair attacks in the past on here. I also said that the killing of Walter Scott was not justified.

I'd settle for just a single post by Derec where he wasn't vilifying the black person - especially innocent victims such as Tamir Rice.

I never vilified Tamir Rice. That is a libelous statement!
What I said about that case is that it is a tragedy where many people made mistakes: dispatcher, cops, Tamir's friend who removed the tip, and yes, Tamir himself. But saying somebody made a mistake that contributed to his death is not vilifying him. I guess to you anything other than "the cops are racist murderers" would be vilifying Tamir.

That's just a case of shoot first, ask questions later.

Fuck those cocksuckers.

 

[RavenSky]

Except I did. I have defended black republicans against unfair attacks in the past on here. I also said that the killing of Walter Scott was not justified.

I'd settle for just a single post by Derec where he wasn't vilifying the black person - especially innocent victims such as Tamir Rice.

I never vilified Tamir Rice. That is a libelous statement!
What I said about that case is that it is a tragedy where many people made mistakes: dispatcher, cops, Tamir's friend who removed the tip, and yes, Tamir himself. But saying somebody made a mistake that contributed to his death is not vilifying him. I guess to you anything other than "the cops are racist murderers" would be vilifying Tamir.

You have gone on and on and on about Tamir Rice looking older than his age, as if he had any control over that and as if that is not a typical race-based bias. Moreover, you blamed Tamir for supposedly removing the tip even though the cops never took the time to even see the toy before killing Tamir. The fact that you yet again assign blame to Tamir Rice simply proves my point. End of derail.

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[Jolly_Penguin]

In other news, I read a story today about the same parade in which our prime minister marched alongside a syrian refugee who had faced all sorts of trouble in Syria and Egypt for being gay.

Now that is a better story. This guy actually faced bigotry, unlike the Toronto BLM people, and participated here in a way that wins public sympathy, unlike BLM. They could learn a lot from him.

Quandary: how do we turn the regressive left back into the progressive left? How do we convince social justice warriors to give up safe spaces and trigger warnings and fight instead for actual social justice?

 

[Metaphor]

In other news, I read a story today about the same parade in which our prime minister marched alongside a syrian refugee who had faced all sorts of trouble in Syria and Egypt for being gay.

Now that is a better story. This guy actually faced bigotry, unlike the Toronto BLM people, and participated here in a way that wins public sympathy, unlike BLM. They could learn a lot from him.

Quandary: how do we turn the regressive left back into the progressive left? How do we convince social justice warriors to give up safe spaces and trigger warnings and fight instead for actual social justice?

I don't think it's possible. When the National Union of Students cannot pass a motion to condemn ISIS (because it might be "Islamophobic"), but can pass a motion to exclude representation of gay men in LGBT organisations, the regressive left is so far down the rabbit hole you can't see the pinpoint of light at the jumping off place.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I don't see where he was racist - though I haven't been a regular here.

I fully accept that I may be being unfair. All that remains is for someone to find all the posts where Derec defends black people.


I'll wait.

Didn't he implicitly defend a black man who was abusing a black woman by complaining about her trying to shoot him?

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

No, it doesnt.

If it is silence about behavior of people from the same organization/movement, it does.

No silence does not mean assent/consent/agreement. You should go educate yourself on that before you get into trouble and go to jail.