Black Opinions Don't Matter

[Loren Pechtel]

While "all lives matter" is a position of the white supremacists it is also the position of those who find "black lives matter" to be racist.

It'd only be racist if they meant "Only black lives matter", but what it really means is that "black lives matter too".

Then they should say that! (Although I think "black lives also matter" would be a better wording.)

Once you consider crime rates blacks are not being shot disproportionately--the whole basis for it is false.

Not when taking into account whether people getting shot are armed or not.

1) The % of cases where the suspect isn't armed is far smaller than the differences involved.

2) Note that the "not armed" category includes things like realistic replicas and people trying to take the cop's gun.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

No, it wouldn't. Bigots will still be bigots.

I have to agree here. I mean, I can understand people understanding the term last year. I had a hard time with it also then. But BLM has been explained over and over and over. If you don't get it by now, you're either mentally challenged or bigoted.

The problem is they keep defending cases they shouldn't be defending. They show all they care about is whether the guy who was shot is black, not whether the police acted properly.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I have repeatedly said it's a cultural problem, not a genetic one. Urban poor environments are a hotbed of criminality and they have far more blacks than average.

That isn't cultural, that is economic.

Cultural--you see a different dynamic in the rural poor.

You meth instead of crack? Country instead of rap? Crime and poverty and crime and poverty?

 

[Worldtraveller]

White people declaring all lives matter generally mean that lives of people like them matter more. Black lives didn’t matter when black people were placed in chains in the hulls of ships, sailor thousands of miles from their homes, forbidden to speak their own languages, have their own names, marry, read and write, were beaten, raped, murdered with impunity, were bought and sold like cattle, were forbidden to drink from the same fountains, go to the same schools or hospitals, VOTE, marry whom they chose. Black lives didn’t matter when crosses were burned in front of their homes, when their churches were burned, when their children murdered. Their lives didn’t matter when they were directed into substandard housing and substandard loans and substandard schools and substandard jobs. They didn’t matter when Tamir Rice was murdered by police officers or when George Floyd begged for mercy with a cop’s knee on his neck. Or thousands of other times.

Don’t go claiming that all lives matter until the lives of black people actually matter enough that they are treated as though they matter as much as white people.

Based on your logic, I think I should hate men.

Proving once again, that you don't do logic.

But, thanks for playing.

 

[Worldtraveller]

Cultural--you see a different dynamic in the rural poor.

You meth instead of crack? Country instead of rap? Crime and poverty and crime and poverty?

Totally different duh.

Also, banjos instead of harmonicas.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Then they should say that! (Although I think "black lives also matter" would be a better wording.)

Your inability to understand obvious context is not on them. In no way was BLM presenting a black supremacy argument.

 

[Gospel]

No, it wouldn't. Bigots will still be bigots.

I have to agree here. I mean, I can understand people understanding the term last year. I had a hard time with it also then. But BLM has been explained over and over and over. If you don't get it by now, you're either mentally challenged or bigoted.

The problem is they keep defending cases they shouldn't be defending. They show all they care about is whether the guy who was shot is black, not whether the police acted properly.

If it where not for protesting every black death you wouldn't even know about it to complain in the first place. What I mean is, it's gotten to the point where blanket protesting is the right thing to do since well calculated complaints and protests on the local level went unheard for too long. All these knee Jerk reactions to black people being killed whether justified or not is a result of an ongoing issue in the black community. Feel free to complain when the protest for the wrong person but also feel free to join them for the right person. K thk bye.

 

[KeepTalking]

I have repeatedly said it's a cultural problem, not a genetic one. Urban poor environments are a hotbed of criminality and they have far more blacks than average.

That isn't cultural, that is economic.

Cultural--you see a different dynamic in the rural poor.

So, you are saying that you see a difference in crime rates when poor people are densely packed together in areas relatively close to the extremely wealthy, as opposed to poor people who are spread out in communities with much smaller wealth disparities? And you think that is something that should not be expected?

 

[RVonse]

Then they should say that! (Although I think "black lives also matter" would be a better wording.)

Your inability to understand obvious context is not on them. In no way was BLM presenting a black supremacy argument.

It is really your inability to understand obvious context of the "hording of opportunity in society" now taking place on steroids. Becoming miss-interpreted as a racial problem. It should be a fight about the groups that are on the top versus the groups of everyone that are on the bottom. But somehow you fall for this into villains who are descended from a different tribe or race of people instead of rent seekers. The villains are the rent seekers who are shielding their children from other children from their rightful opportunity. And your inability to see this only adds to the problem.

This is a PR move.

You are a sheep, Jimmy.

I agree with repoman.

 

[laughing dog]

It is really your inability to understand obvious context of the "hording of opportunity in society" now taking place on steroids. Becoming miss-interpreted as a racial problem. It should be a fight about the groups that are on the top versus the groups of everyone that are on the bottom. But somehow you fall for this into villains who are descended from a different tribe or race of people instead of rent seekers. The villains are the rent seekers who are shielding their children from other children from their rightful opportunity. And your inability to see this only adds to the problem.

You really have no basis for your analysis. Saying that BLM is not about black supremacy does not indicate anything about who the "villians" are.

Dealing with racism in the police forces or society is not inconsistent with dealing with the powerful in society. In fact, it goes hand in hand. Racism and bigotry are tools of the powerful in society. Your inability to see that is part of the problem.

 

[RVonse]

It is really your inability to understand obvious context of the "hording of opportunity in society" now taking place on steroids. Becoming miss-interpreted as a racial problem. It should be a fight about the groups that are on the top versus the groups of everyone that are on the bottom. But somehow you fall for this into villains who are descended from a different tribe or race of people instead of rent seekers. The villains are the rent seekers who are shielding their children from other children from their rightful opportunity. And your inability to see this only adds to the problem.

In fact, it goes hand in hand. Racism and bigotry are tools of the powerful in society.

Yes they are. But the pointy head discussion abut racism and bigotry (which were problems but not big problems yet) only causes a huge downward spiral.

Example: What happens after BLM succeeds in taking down the police in the big metro areas. The private property owners will rightfully have no choice but to arm and defend themselves. A whole lot of people being shot to death is not going to help race relations at all.

Rather than focus on the police the focus should be on why everyone does not currently have equal opportunity in this country. The republicans will argue against wealth distribution but I have never heard any of them argue against opportunity distribution. Everyone should have an equal opportunity in this country regardless of who they are. And that includes poor whites too. That is where the sheep should be focusing their attention right now before it is too late. After one tribe starts shooting another tribe its going to be way too late. Everyone except the rent seekers will lose.

A very good discussion among extremely high intelligent black people here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHGt733yw3g

You won't see anything like this on the main stream media Jimmy is watching. The sheep are watering at the wrong hole.

 

[laughing dog]

It is really your inability to understand obvious context of the "hording of opportunity in society" now taking place on steroids. Becoming miss-interpreted as a racial problem. It should be a fight about the groups that are on the top versus the groups of everyone that are on the bottom. But somehow you fall for this into villains who are descended from a different tribe or race of people instead of rent seekers. The villains are the rent seekers who are shielding their children from other children from their rightful opportunity. And your inability to see this only adds to the problem.

In fact, it goes hand in hand. Racism and bigotry are tools of the powerful in society.

Yes they are. But the pointy head discussion abut racism and bigotry (which were problems but not big problems yet) only causes a huge downward spiral.

The issue is that they are big problems to minorities.

Example: What happens after BLM succeeds in taking down the police in the big metro areas. The private property owners will rightfully have no choice but to arm and defend themselves. A whole lot of people being shot to death is not going to help race relations at all.

That is Trumpian dystopian scaremongering horseshit. "Defunding" the police does not mean getting rid of their law enforcement duties.

Rather than focus on the police the focus should be on why everyone does not currently have equal opportunity in this country. The republicans will argue against wealth distribution but I have never heard any of them argue against opportunity distribution. Everyone should have an equal opportunity in this country regardless of who they are. And that includes poor whites too. That is where the sheep should be focusing their attention right now before it is too late. After one tribe starts shooting another tribe its going to be way too late. Everyone except the rent seekers will lose.

Riight, say goodbye to the old bosses and say hello to the new ones who may simply keep the racism practices in place.

A very good discussion among extremely high intelligent black people here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHGt733yw3g

I don't have two hours to watch some video. Do you have their main points. BTW, Glenn Loury was a prime advocate to protect your "banksters".

You won't see anything like this on the main stream media Jimmy is watching. The sheep are watering at the wrong hole.

Maybe some sheep are. But there are plenty of rats at your kool-aid station.

 

[KeepTalking]

Example: What happens after BLM succeeds in taking down the police in the big metro areas. The private property owners will rightfully have no choice but to arm and defend themselves. A whole lot of people being shot to death is not going to help race relations at all.

Your example is incorrect in assuming that BLM wants to "take down the police". That is not what defunding the police means, the first thing you should do at this point is to find out what they actually mean when they say "defund the police" After you research that, you will also need to come to the realization that, for the most part, BLM is not even going to see that ideal put into practice. A few municipalities may make some minor changes to policing, some very few may even take it all the way, but chances are that nothing will change here in St. Louis. Just take a look at the message Gov. Parsons is putting out. He won't listen to anything that isn't about making the police a stronger force to be reckoned with.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Cultural--you see a different dynamic in the rural poor.

So, you are saying that you see a difference in crime rates when poor people are densely packed together in areas relatively close to the extremely wealthy, as opposed to poor people who are spread out in communities with much smaller wealth disparities? And you think that is something that should not be expected?

It's not the wealth disparities, it's the density. Those in the inner city have far more targets available and far more ability to slip away, of course this means more crime and it makes for a culture where living on crime is far more practical. It's not the color of their skin, it's the situation.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Rather than focus on the police the focus should be on why everyone does not currently have equal opportunity in this country. The republicans will argue against wealth distribution but I have never heard any of them argue against opportunity distribution. Everyone should have an equal opportunity in this country regardless of who they are. And that includes poor whites too. That is where the sheep should be focusing their attention right now before it is too late. After one tribe starts shooting another tribe its going to be way too late. Everyone except the rent seekers will lose.

A very good discussion among extremely high intelligent black people here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHGt733yw3g

You won't see anything like this on the main stream media Jimmy is watching. The sheep are watering at the wrong hole.

That's going nowhere--it doesn't provide an easy-to-blame evil that you can attack. Furthermore, it requires admitting that the problems are mostly internal in nature. That sort of stuff isn't going to make it to first base with the race agitators.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Example: What happens after BLM succeeds in taking down the police in the big metro areas. The private property owners will rightfully have no choice but to arm and defend themselves. A whole lot of people being shot to death is not going to help race relations at all.

Your example is incorrect in assuming that BLM wants to "take down the police". That is not what defunding the police means, the first thing you should do at this point is to find out what they actually mean when they say "defund the police" After you research that, you will also need to come to the realization that, for the most part, BLM is not even going to see that ideal put into practice. A few municipalities may make some minor changes to policing, some very few may even take it all the way, but chances are that nothing will change here in St. Louis. Just take a look at the message Gov. Parsons is putting out. He won't listen to anything that isn't about making the police a stronger force to be reckoned with.

Unfortunately, it's one of those terms that says the wrong thing.

 

[laughing dog]

Rather than focus on the police the focus should be on why everyone does not currently have equal opportunity in this country. The republicans will argue against wealth distribution but I have never heard any of them argue against opportunity distribution. Everyone should have an equal opportunity in this country regardless of who they are. And that includes poor whites too. That is where the sheep should be focusing their attention right now before it is too late. After one tribe starts shooting another tribe its going to be way too late. Everyone except the rent seekers will lose.

A very good discussion among extremely high intelligent black people here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHGt733yw3g

You won't see anything like this on the main stream media Jimmy is watching. The sheep are watering at the wrong hole.

That's going nowhere--it doesn't provide an easy-to-blame evil that you can attack. Furthermore, it requires admitting that the problems are mostly internal in nature. That sort of stuff isn't going to make it to first base with the race agitators.

You do realize you have just described white fragility.

 

[Derec]

You do realize you have just described white fragility.

"White fragility" is a racist slur for every white person who challenges black racism against white people. It was coined by a so-called "social scientist" who thinks not only that blacks can't be racist but that all white people are racist. And everybody who disagrees is "fragile".

That's some next level nuclear bullshit!

 

[Derec]

Your example is incorrect in assuming that BLM wants to "take down the police".

They definitely do!

BLACK LIVES MATTER LEADER OUTLINES FIVE-YEAR PLAN TO ELIMINATE POLICE

One of the things that we are demanding over five years is the complete abolition. We don’t want to see any police in our community,” Ndgo told Fox News in an interview Tuesday. “Over the course of those five years, it gives time for the community to begin to build what is needed. We aren’t looking to leave any kind of vacancy around the issue of safety.”

Black Lives Matter Activist: Abolishing The Police '100%' Means Just That

That is not what defunding the police means, the first thing you should do at this point is to find out what they actually mean when they say "defund the police"

After you research that, you will also need to come to the realization that, for the most part, BLM is not even going to see that ideal put into practice. A few municipalities may make some minor changes to policing, some very few may even take it all the way, but chances are that nothing will change here in St. Louis. Just take a look at the message Gov. Parsons is putting out. He won't listen to anything that isn't about making the police a stronger force to be reckoned with.

I hope you are right! Cities need stronger police to deal with these left-wing extremists intent on rioting, looting and arson!

 

[Derec]

If it where not for protesting every black death you wouldn't even know about it to complain in the first place. What I mean is, it's gotten to the point where blanket protesting is the right thing to do since well calculated complaints and protests on the local level went unheard for too long.

So, let me see if I understand you correctly. You think people should protest every police shooting of somebody black, no matter how justified?
That's idiotic frankly.

All these knee Jerk reactions to black people being killed whether justified or not is a result of an ongoing issue in the black community.

If you protest (and block highways, and riot, and loot, and set things on fire) even for clearly justified cases, you lose legitimacy.

Feel free to complain when the protest for the wrong person but also feel free to join them for the right person. K thk bye.

I would have a lot easier time supporting them if they showed more discernment. And if their leadership did not consist of "trained Marxists".