BLM cofounder: "We are trained Marxists"

[Derec]

Is it any wonder they are into "cultural revolution" shit?

 

[krypton iodine sulfur]

Cool.

 

[zorq]

Just to be clear, Derec, whenever you talk about BLM you are referring to "Black Lives Matter Foundation Inc?" Because most of your rantings in other threads about BLM don't seem to have any real relationship to the incorporated foundation.

 

[Politesse]

The folks protesting in the streets about the cruelly authoritarian practices of a ruling class have read Marx? Wow, color me shocked.

 

[laughing dog]

My reaction to the OP is that it is another example of a nothing burger.

 

[Politesse]

Tell us, Derek, what was your point here?

 

[Trausti]

I guess the point is that BLM does not care about black lives. It does not care about police misconduct. It is a front to push Marxist politics.

 

[Politesse]

I guess the point is that BLM does not care about black lives. It does not care about police misconduct. It is a front to push Marxist politics.

Marxist politics = challenging entrenched hierarchies of unearned power by countering them with networks of communal solidarity. These aren't disconnected issues in the slightest. BLM is both very concerned about black lives and a prime example of Marxist social theory put into practice.

 

[Trausti]

I guess the point is that BLM does not care about black lives. It does not care about police misconduct. It is a front to push Marxist politics.

Marxist politics = challenging entrenched hierarchies of unearned power. These aren't disconnected issues in the slightest.

Marxism is about putting people into groups and denying the individual. As Stalin said, what matters is Who? Whom?

 

[Politesse]

I guess the point is that BLM does not care about black lives. It does not care about police misconduct. It is a front to push Marxist politics.

Marxist politics = challenging entrenched hierarchies of unearned power. These aren't disconnected issues in the slightest.

Marxism is about putting people into groups and denying the individual. As Stalin said, what matters is Who? Whom?

Citations needed.

And not of Stalin, who is irrelevant here.

 

[Trausti]

Marxism is about putting people into groups and denying the individual. As Stalin said, what matters is Who? Whom?

Citations needed.

LOL. My mistake. Stalin and Lenin never said that. They were champions of Western liberalism.

 

[Trausti]

I guess the Soviet Union, the Khmer Rouge, and Mao had nothing to do Marxism.

 

[Politesse]

I guess the Soviet Union, the Khmer Rouge, and Mao had nothing Marxism.

In the video, Cullors only mentions having studied Marx (something anyone with even a bare foundation in Western socioeconomic theory will have done). Do you have another video in which she endorses Leninism?

 

[Trausti]

I guess the Soviet Union, the Khmer Rouge, and Mao had nothing Marxism.

In the video, Cullors only mentions having studied Marx (something anyone with even a bare foundation in Western socioeconomic theory will have done). Do you have another video in which she endorses Leninism?

Jumping Jesus on a pogo stick. She said BLM has an ideological frame as trained Marxists. Like Pol Pot and Castro.

 

[Politesse]

I guess the Soviet Union, the Khmer Rouge, and Mao had nothing Marxism.

In the video, Cullors only mentions having studied Marx (something anyone with even a bare foundation in Western socioeconomic theory will have done). Do you have another video in which she endorses Leninism?

Jumping Jesus on a pogo stick. She said BLM has an ideological frame as trained Marxists. Like Pol Pot and Castro.

She said only the bolded part, and only with respect to herself and a colleague. Given that she has an M.A. in collective organization, it's really just a straightforward citation of credentials.

It's 2020, the Cold War has been over for longer than most humans now living have any memory of. You really think shouting "Marxism!" and not following up with some sort of substantial point is enough to scare minorities into silence anymore?

 

[laughing dog]

Jumping Jesus on a pogo stick. She said BLM has an ideological frame as trained Marxists. Like Pol Pot and Castro.

She said only the bolded part, and only with respect to herself and a colleague. Given that she has an M.A. in collective organization, it's really just a straightforward citation of credentials.

It's 2020, the Cold War has been over for longer than most humans now living have any memory of. You really think shouting "Marxism!" and not following up with some sort of substantial point is enough to scare minorities into silence anymore?

If someone pointed to how "Marxism" (which means a lot of different things to many different people) influences the goals of the BLM movement to the detriment of society, there could be an interesting discussion. Until then, this is just another smear tactic.

 

[Derec]

Just to be clear, Derec, whenever you talk about BLM you are referring to "Black Lives Matter Foundation Inc?" Because most of your rantings in other threads about BLM don't seem to have any real relationship to the incorporated foundation.

I am referring to the movement founded by Patrice Cullors, Alicia Garza and others.
I have long maintained that the movement is all about extremist politics.

What relationship the movement has to the foundation you mention I am not sure. Where is that foundation incorporated?

 

[Derec]

The folks protesting in the streets about the cruelly authoritarian practices of a ruling class have read Marx? Wow, color me shocked.

Having read Marx is one thing. Being a supporter of Marxism is quite another. That the #BLM is basically a Marxist organisation explains why they go around destroying historical statues btw.

They are just following the Soviet playbook.

In this way they are not dissimilar to Islamism. Which is one of the reasons the Far Left sees Islamists as allies.

 

[Derec]

BLM is both very concerned about black lives

But only when killed by a cop or an (off) white civilian. We had >100 shootings with 14 fatalities over the weekend, and not a peep out of #BLM. So spare me. I am not buying they genuinely care about "black lives".

and a prime example of Marxist social theory put into practice.

At least you admit they are Marxist. That ideology was the ideology that over the course of the 20th century proved to be the most destructive to human flourishing and happiness.

 

[Politesse]

The folks protesting in the streets about the cruelly authoritarian practices of a ruling class have read Marx? Wow, color me shocked.

Having read Marx is one thing. Being a supporter of Marxism is quite another. That the #BLM is basically a Marxist organisation explains why they go around destroying historical statues btw.
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They are just following the Soviet playbook.

In this way they are not dissimilar to Islamism. Which is one of the reasons the Far Left sees Islamists as allies.

Destroying who by their roots? The bourgeoisie? Regaining control of the public discourse is definitely something that follows naturally from Marx, but I don't think anyone thinks all of the rich people will somehow die because a few former slaveholders lost their monuments. The destruction of the upper classes will prove a bit more complicated than that.

No idea what you're talking about with respect to Islam, Marx hated religion and did not believe that it could ever result in a positive good for the working classes, as it was always easier for the rich to control the poor through religion than the other way around.