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California May Have a Random Celebrity Republican as Governor Soon

Politesse said:
But organizing a violent raid on a building which police are duty-bound to defend with their lives is patriotism?
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For the millionth time, I am not defending these rioters. They should be prosecuted. Just because I do not think it is not the only riot/insurrection that matters does not mean that I am defending the riot or the rioters. The #BLM riots have been downplayed both on here and in mainstream media, even though the #BLM insurrections were far more destructive (among others to federal government buildings) and deadly. The #BLMers also occupied territory in cities like Seattle, Minneapolis and Atlanta. Those involved with these should be prosecuted too but too often are not.

The Republican Party should be broken, and its "politics" consigned to the dustbin of history along with slavery, monarchy, and private duels.
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Bullshit! And what then? A one party rule? Or do you want just a choice between a center-left Democrats and a hard-left Socialist Party or something?
 
Derec. I'm pretty sure that when the whacks bullying Republicans are removed sanity of a sort will reemerge from conservatives who will go back to their preferred protectionist hard currency tendencies of centuries past.

We see it emerging even now in their rumblings about descending into the rabbit hole of refusing to increased debt limits. They are doing this in the face of pandemic in the vain hope that returning to golden age policies of the gay nineties that a hard currency business dependence will prop up trust in 'merica. Doing so they are ignoring continuing US policy of flexing our obvious military might we have successfully followed to keep trust and power in the age of MIC for the past 70 years.
 
Derec said:
Again, nobody here is dismissing the 1/6 riots
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Nobody else...

But bringing up 1/6 was a non-sequitur to my point that Melina Abdullah is a supporter of left-wing BLA terrorists
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BLA? Typo? M.A is a non sequitur to any discussion of Newsom's fitness for office.

Elixir said:
No point in pretending you're not a right wing extremist any longer.
Derec said:
I am not.
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It walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...

Advocating for prostitution doesn't make you a lib'rul.
It is certainly a more liberal position than the Prohibitionism
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Also more "liberal" than Pol Pot, perhaps. But not more so than Donald Trump. You should drop the charade, dude.
 
Derec said:
Politesse said:
But organizing a violent raid on a building which police are duty-bound to defend with their lives is patriotism?
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For the millionth time, I am not defending these rioters. They should be prosecuted. Just because I do not think it is not the only riot/insurrection that matters does not mean that I am defending the riot or the rioters. The #BLM riots have been downplayed both on here and in mainstream media, even though the #BLM insurrections were far more destructive (among others to federal government buildings) and deadly. The #BLMers also occupied territory in cities like Seattle, Minneapolis and Atlanta. Those involved with these should be prosecuted too but too often are not.

The Republican Party should be broken, and its "politics" consigned to the dustbin of history along with slavery, monarchy, and private duels.
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Bullshit! And what then? A one party rule? Or do you want just a choice between a center-left Democrats and a hard-left Socialist Party or something?
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I'm not averse to hosting a conservative party within our system, I just don't believe that violent insurrection and anarchy are truly "conservative values". At the moment, centrist Democrats are the main voice arguing for maintenance of the status quo and fiscal responsibility, not the Trumpists. If you are upset about the Capitol insurrection - which the GOP has not meaningfully eschewed and indeed refuses to so much as investigate - you should agree with me about breaking the Party. Reforming it is a perfectly acceptable step two, but we cannot have a disloyal and malicious party running half the government.
 
Politesse said:
I'm not averse to hosting a conservative party within our system, I just don't believe that violent insurrection and anarchy are truly "conservative values". At the moment, centrist Democrats are the main voice arguing for maintenance of the status quo and fiscal responsibility, not the Trumpists. If you are upset about the Capitol insurrection - which the GOP has not meaningfully eschewed and indeed refuses to so much as investigate - you should agree with me about breaking the Party. Reforming it is a perfectly acceptable step two, but we cannot have a disloyal and malicious party running half the government.
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If the GOP were formed from scratch today, with its present "values" and talking points, it would probably be put on an FBI watch-list as a terrorist organization.

Derec said:
But right wing politicians like MTG get a lot of flack for their associations. Why shouldn't left wing ones face similar scrutiny?
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Calling MTG a "right wing politician" is like calling Jeffrey Dahmer a "non-vegan gourmet."
 
Swammerdami said:
If the GOP were formed from scratch today, with its present "values" and talking points, it would probably be put on an FBI watch-list as a terrorist organization.
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More to the point in a supposed democracy, they probably wouldn't get many votes; they benefit a lot from being the current figurehead for one half of the American social moiety.
 
California Recall Election Results: Live Map - The New York Times

The numbers: No 63.6%, Yes 36.4%, with 82% counted.
Remaining ballots:
Over recall threshold
To get No 58%, Yes 42%: No 16.1%, Yes 83.9%.

"Over recall threshold" means that even if the remaining ballots are all "Yes", then Governor Newsom will not be recalled.

Furthermore, the "No" fraction of the vote is likely to beat the "No" fraction of the final poll results.
 
I notice that the counties most associated with the "State of Jefferson" have voted overwhelmingly for the recall, the only sizeable region to do so. We have our internal fracture points.

In other interesting news, one of Newsom's first acts post-election was to sign into law a bill banning single-family house zoning restrictions in the state. Those who thought that recalling Newsom was the only way to combat homelessness in the state are clearly in error.
 
Politesse said:
I notice that the counties most associated with the "State of Jefferson" have voted overwhelmingly for the recall, the only sizeable region to do so. We have our internal fracture points.

In other interesting news, one of Newsom's first acts post-election was to sign into law a bill banning single-family house zoning restrictions in the state. Those who thought that recalling Newsom was the only way to combat homelessness in the state are clearly in error.
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Wait, he banned one of the most powerful redlining tools available to NIMBY's?

That's pretty great!
 
I hope Cali is able to move forward from this undemocratic method that allows people with only 20% of state support to have a chance at leading the state. A successful recall should result in a new leader with support of the majority. It should not enable whiney extremists with billionaire backers to take over a state. Or waste state resources trying.
 
[TWEET]<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The map on the left is the recall results. The one on the right is the current COVID situation. <a href="https://t.co/5An0GV13hg">pic.twitter.com/5An0GV13hg</a></p>— Eric Ball (@DrEricBall) <a href="https://twitter.com/DrEricBall/status/1438150971721273351?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 15, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>[/TWEET]..
 
Jarhyn said:
Politesse said:
I notice that the counties most associated with the "State of Jefferson" have voted overwhelmingly for the recall, the only sizeable region to do so. We have our internal fracture points.

In other interesting news, one of Newsom's first acts post-election was to sign into law a bill banning single-family house zoning restrictions in the state. Those who thought that recalling Newsom was the only way to combat homelessness in the state are clearly in error.
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Wait, he banned one of the most powerful redlining tools available to NIMBY's?

That's pretty great!
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It sounds like the Californian legislature banned it.
 
Jarhyn said:
Politesse said:
I notice that the counties most associated with the "State of Jefferson" have voted overwhelmingly for the recall, the only sizeable region to do so. We have our internal fracture points.

In other interesting news, one of Newsom's first acts post-election was to sign into law a bill banning single-family house zoning restrictions in the state. Those who thought that recalling Newsom was the only way to combat homelessness in the state are clearly in error.
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Wait, he banned one of the most powerful redlining tools available to NIMBY's?

That's pretty great!
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Yeah, I'm pretty jazzed about it; my region specifically was in desperate need of such a mandate. He was more delaying than causing the bill up until now, but I'm glad it was on his "if I survive the recall" checklist.
 
ZiprHead said:
[TWEET]<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The map on the left is the recall results. The one on the right is the current COVID situation. <a href="https://t.co/5An0GV13hg">pic.twitter.com/5An0GV13hg</a></p>— Eric Ball (@DrEricBall) <a href="https://twitter.com/DrEricBall/status/1438150971721273351?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 15, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>[/TWEET]..
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What's Inyo County's secret?
 
Shadowy Man said:
Jarhyn said:
Politesse said:
I notice that the counties most associated with the "State of Jefferson" have voted overwhelmingly for the recall, the only sizeable region to do so. We have our internal fracture points.

In other interesting news, one of Newsom's first acts post-election was to sign into law a bill banning single-family house zoning restrictions in the state. Those who thought that recalling Newsom was the only way to combat homelessness in the state are clearly in error.
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Wait, he banned one of the most powerful redlining tools available to NIMBY's?

That's pretty great!
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It sounds like the Californian legislature banned it.
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So, it sounds like the Californian people banned it.

We can keep exploding the chain if you want?

It wouldn't have happened otherwise, we can say?
 
Jarhyn said:
Shadowy Man said:
It sounds like the Californian legislature banned it.
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So, it sounds like the Californian people banned it.

We can keep exploding the chain if you want?

It wouldn't have happened otherwise, we can say?
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Well. I think there is a useful distinction between a governor signing a bill that the legislature put together and other executive actions within the purview of the governor. Sometimes, though, a governor can champion a specific legislation and then it may more rightly be called “his”. I don’t know if that is the case here.
 
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