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Caretaker for autistic man, unarmed, lying on ground with his hands up, still shot by Miami police

 
 
 
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He survived, but that doesn't make the story any less outrageous:

http://wsvn.com/news/local/video-shows-moments-before-north-miami-police-shot-unarmed-man/

Cellphone video was released Wednesday afternoon showing Charles Kinsey lying on the ground with his hands in the air, telling officers that weapons are not necessary. “When I went to the ground, I’m going to the ground just like this here with my hands up,” Kinsey said, “and I am laying down here just like this, and I’m telling them again, ‘Sir, there is no need for firearms. I’m unarmed, he’s an autistic guy. He got a toy truck in his hand.”

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The ordeal went on for a few minutes before Kinsey said one of the officers shot him. “I’m like this right here, and when he shot me, it was so surprising,” Kinsey said. “It was like a mosquito bite, and when it hit me, I’m like, ‘I still got my hands in the air, and I said, ‘No I just got shot! And I’m saying, ‘Sir, why did you shoot me?’ and his words to me, he said, ‘I don’t know.'”

A fucking toy truck. He wasn't even holding it, he just happened to be black and nearby. Just makes you so glad to be paying for all the expensive, actual guns that some cops nevertheless treat like toys, and the "training" that convinces so many of them that everyone and everything (particularly black things) is a threat.
 
Why'd they shoot the black boy, not the fat boy?

The thread title comes from what the witness says at the end of the video. I have to admit that it made me laugh a little, in a despairing sort of way.

a 23-year-old autistic patient, who had run away from a nearby mental health center, where Kinsey works, and was confused. He was not armed, but was holding a toy truck, Kinsey said.

In the video Kinsey can be heard trying to tell the officers that.

“All he has is a toy truck. A toy truck. I am a behavioral therapist at a group home,” Kinsey can be heard saying.
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Kinsey told the news station that after a few minutes, one of the officers shot him in the leg. The officer fired three times, hitting Kinsey once.

“I’m like this right here, and when he shot me, it was so surprising,” said Kinsey, who had his arms raised in the air while talking to a WSVN reporter from his hospital bed Wednesday. “I thought it was a mosquito bite, and when it hit me I had my hands in the air, and I’m thinking I just got shot! And I’m saying, ‘Sir, why did you shoot me?’ and his words to me were, ‘I don’t know.’”

Kinsey said that after he was shot he was handcuffed and left bleeding in the street.
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North Miami Police issued a statement about the shooting:

There is preliminary information that North Miami Police Officers were dispatched to the scene after a 911 call was received of an armed male suspect threatening suicide. Arriving officers attempted to negotiate with two men on the scene, one of whom was later identified as suffering from autism. The other man was later identified as an employee of an assisted living facility. At some point during the on-scene negotiation, one of the responding officers discharged his weapon, striking the employee.
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The shooting remains under investigation. The officer, who has not been named, has been placed on administrative leave. No weapons were found at the scene, police said.
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http://heavy.com/news/2016/07/charl...narmed-autistic-patient-rinaldo-officer-name/

So, who wants to call Charles Kinsey a thug and defend the shooter/police officer this time?
 
On the plus side at least they didn't beat him after shooting him. At this point, I'm willing to take what I can get.
 
Warpoet beat me to it :p

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Deepak said:
On the plus side at least they didn't beat him after shooting him. At this point, I'm willing to take what I can get.
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No, they just cuffed him and left him lying face down on the pavement (in the Florida heat!) while he was bleeding from the gunshot.
 
That cop is lucky the guy doesn't seem to be badly injured.

Did the cop think he was lying?

At any rate, the cop should never be one again for life and not a security guard either.
 
I noted in this thread a couple days ago that police officers refuse to offer or give any first aid to people they assault, injure, and occasionally kill (sometimes with robot bombs). Someone needs to remind police that they are not Agent 007 and they DON'T have a license to kill.

Also note how even though neither the caretaker or his autistic patient were violating any laws, they both ended up cuffed and arrested. Just like Philando Castile's girlfriend was arrested even though the officers had no legitimate probable cause to do so.
 
zorq said:
I noted in this thread a couple days ago that police officers refuse to offer or give any first aid to people they assault, injure, and occasionally kill (sometimes with robot bombs). Someone needs to remind police that they are not Agent 007 and they DON'T have a license to kill.

Also note how even though neither the caretaker or his autistic patient were violating any laws, they both ended up cuffed and arrested. Just like Philando Castile's girlfriend was arrested even though the officers had no legitimate probable cause to do so.
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When all you have is a hammer...
 
Deepak said:
zorq said:
I noted in this thread a couple days ago that police officers refuse to offer or give any first aid to people they assault, injure, and occasionally kill (sometimes with robot bombs). Someone needs to remind police that they are not Agent 007 and they DON'T have a license to kill.

Also note how even though neither the caretaker or his autistic patient were violating any laws, they both ended up cuffed and arrested. Just like Philando Castile's girlfriend was arrested even though the officers had no legitimate probable cause to do so.
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When all you have is a hammer...
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If all you have is a hammer then you should spend some of your $168 billion dollars in annual law enforcement budget to buy yourself some safer tools. And by tools I mean officers.
 
I doubt this would even make the news if the autistic white man was the one shot. The video looks like a horrifying scene. I'd approach with my gun drawn and my family in mind. Adrenalin makes guns go off, and cops aren't immune to that problem. Did the cop not sincerely apologize? Why are people upset about this?
 
another1 said:
I doubt this would even make the news if the autistic white man was the one shot. The video looks like a horrifying scene. I'd approach with my gun drawn and my family in mind. Adrenalin makes guns go off, and cops aren't immune to that problem. Did the cop not sincerely apologize? Why are people upset about this?
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I've handled guns under the influence of adrenaline and have never shot an unintended object (or person for that matter). Willfully ignoring training* is the most frequent cause of cops shooting people who shouldn't have been shot http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...-your-finger-off-the-trigger-until-you-shoot/

*California being the exception where they train their police to have their fingers on the trigger always - because they haven't evaluated their firearms safety training since the days of Hoover.
 
I watched the video and imagined an exhausted cop in a sweat soaked uniform approaching what looks like a man banging himself in the head with a gun. Another man pretending to be a mummy, and screaming about God knows what. I don't know that kind of adrenalin, so I really can't comment. Maybe you have been in that exact situation several times.
 
another1 said:
I watched the video and imagined an exhausted cop in a sweat soaked uniform approaching what looks like a man banging himself in the head with a gun. Another man pretending to be a mummy, and screaming about God knows what. I don't know that kind of adrenalin, so I really can't comment. Maybe you have been in that exact situation several times.
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If your finger is off the trigger then no amount of adrenaline, including enough to kill you, will result in your gun expelling a bullet at someone - unless you're saying that the situation you've described is sufficient grounds to actually start shooting intentionally.
 
another1 said:
Why are people upset about this?
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another1 said:
I watched the video and imagined an exhausted cop in a sweat soaked uniform approaching what looks like a man banging himself in the head with a gun. Another man pretending to be a mummy, and screaming about God knows what. I don't know that kind of adrenalin, so I really can't comment. Maybe you have been in that exact situation several times.
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I'm going to give you one more chance to answer your own question: Think really hard.:worried: Warning: This might be difficult because it involves using a little bit of empathy for the victim. If you are having trouble identifying the victim I'll give you a hint here. It wasn't a police officer.

Now, why might someone be upset about public servants shooting lethal weapons at harmless unarmed civilians who aren't even breaking any laws?
 
another1 said:
I watched the video and imagined an exhausted cop in a sweat soaked uniform approaching what looks like a man banging himself in the head with a gun. Another man pretending to be a mummy, and screaming about God knows what. I don't know that kind of adrenalin, so I really can't comment. Maybe you have been in that exact situation several times.
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I'm not paid to handle situations like that. It's "horrifying" to see an autistic guy sitting on the ground with a toy? And exactly what was so unclear about the caretaker's explanation? There are two key points of information that should have immediately ended this entire ordeal: 1) it's a fucking toy 2) the guy is autistic and doesn't understand what the cops are telling him.

Both of these things were made clear to the officers, it's obvious that what he was telling them was true, but they still managed to fuck things up by shooting the guy who was lying on the ground with his hands up. And you think an apology is enough to fix this? Why should anyone this stupid and incompetent be allowed to carry a badge and a gun?
 
Both of these things were made clear to the officers
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Both of those things were made clear to the microphone on the recording device. We don't know what the cop heard. To the cop, two things were clear. The men acting insane on the ground. Yelling and banging their heads with what could have looked like a gun. Poor cop deserves a medal for bravery if you ask me.
 
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