Charlie Kirk shot at (shot?) in Utah

[Toni]

There have been some pretty bad things but not at the genocide level. Nobody set out to annihilate a population for religious reasons. Yes, there has been genocidal intent towards armed groups, not against groups that aren't attacking.

What, exactly, do you think the Spanish Inquisition was? And weren’t the Nazis ‘good Christians?! What do you think the Crusades were? What do you think ‘mission schools’ were? Oh, sure, they were only a part of the plan but make no mistake: the goal was to beat the Indian out of NA’s and exterminate those who would not be made into useful servants.

Spanish Inquisition: Taking from those who had more wealth than political power to protect themselves. It wasn't anything like genocide.

Crusades: Note what I said about armed. The Crusades were part of the longstanding Christianity/Islam conflict.

Indians: Again, note armed. Yes, they were defending their territory but it was a reaction to armed conflict, not genocide of an uninvolved group. In the ballpark with what's happening in Africa but nowhere near as brutal.

I dunno. Making lampshades out of human skin is pretty hard core. The intent behind the Indian wars was to exterminate the indigenous. Sounds pretty genocidal to me.

Of course greed was/the primary motive, just as it was the primary motivation behind the Crusades. Both the Indian wars and the Crusades had religious backing and motivation but mostly religion was used as the justification.

Re: Spanish Inquisition, from Wikipedia:

Spanish Inquisition - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

The Inquisition was originally intended primarily to identify heretics among those who converted from Judaism and Islam to Catholicism. The regulation of the faith of newly converted Catholics intensified following royal decrees issued in 1492 and 1502ordering Jews and Muslims to either convert to Catholicism, leave Castile or face death.<a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition#cite_note-AD2-1"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a>Hundreds of thousands of forced conversions, torture and executions, the persecution of conversos and moriscos, and the mass expulsions of Jews and Muslims from Spain all followed.<a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition#cite_note-Prien20122-2"><span>[</span>2<span>]</span></a> The inquisition expanded to other domains under the Spanish Crown, including Southern Italy and the Americas, while also targeting those accused of alumbradismo,Protestantism, witchcraft, blasphemy, bigamy, sodomy, Freemasonry, etc.

Sounds a lot like genocide with, again, the primary motivation being greed, all wrapped up in false piety.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The seller is under duress. But the buyer wouldn't know that. Legalization and regulation could help remediate this concern, but not solve it. Also, what in the fuck does your hobby horse have to do with the targeted murder of Charlie Kirk?

And why are we to assume the seller is under duress?

The seller is under duress.

Why do you think that a sex worker is under duress, but the people working in an auto parts factory or a slaughter house aren't?

What was the question?
Derec: If two people mutually agree to exchange sexual services for money, how is that "exploitation and commodification" any more than any other service profession?
Jimmy Higgins: The seller is under duress.

I.E. just because two parties have an agreement doesn't mean the agreement is above board. I also didn't claim all sex workers are under duress. A question was asked, I provided a reasonable answer for a situation that is undoubtably not uncommon enough in the sex worker industry. Regarding other workers under duress, chances are there is violation in union or worker rights or sexual harassment. Or if one is discussing general life issues, a woman could, in theory, be allowed to use her body as an ATM, but a woman should be allowed to have other options if they'd rather not but are desperate for money.

Neither of us said that sex workers can't be under duress.

Good for you. The trouble is, you were misreading what I said, not the other way around.

 

[Toni]

He's only going after non-citizens so far. That has to be normalized before he goes after Americans.

If by ‘Americans’ you mean white, sure. But if you mean Black & Latinos who ‘look’ like undocumented immigrants, it’s already normalized. Citizens are being picked up by ICE on suspicion alone, and the right shrugs it off with, ‘Well, once they prove citizenship, they’re let go. That sounds normalized already IMO.

• Juan Carlos Lopez-Gomez Wrongfully detained by ICE in Florida for nearly 48 hours despite his citizenship claim. PBS
• Leonardo Garcia Venegas Born in Florida (U.S. citizen), he was detained during a workplace raid in Alabama. His REAL ID was dismissed as “fake” by officials, even after he claimed citizenship. The Guardian
• Peter Sean Brown (ongoing case from past detention) A federal court recently ruled in his favor over a 2018 incident where he was misidentified and held by ICE. American Civil Liberties Union+2Florida Phoenix+2

But of course you wouldn't imagine this is already happening because it's not happening to white people. And honestly, it makes sense you wouldn’t notice, because white people aren’t ICE’s targets.

The claim that America no longer has systemic racism is the biggest lie some Americans keep telling themselves.

Please note that I said "goes after".

What you are showing is that they don't care too much whether they got the right person or not, that that they are targeting Americans. That will come, just not yet.

No: The actual purpose of the ICE raids and indiscriminate taking of persons who don’t look sufficiently White American is:
1. To demonstrate Trump’s strong man bona fides.
2. Money. Huge amounts of money are being spent ( ie given to the ‘right’ people) and power.
3. To strike fear in every single person living in the US or contemplating coming here to visit, to work or make a life.

You may feel safe enough because your wife is Asian but you should not be so comfortable in your assumptions there. I am not.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I don't understand why some people get so bent out of shape and so hateful that some people change their genders.

Same as back in the 1980's when I became aware that gay people existed.

Back then my attitude was, OK. It's not a problem. Leave them alone. It's not a problem.

With trans again, OK. They changed gender. Not a problem for anyone.

I don't understand why some people get so bent about this. I have to think that these people who get bent are seriously fucked up ethically.

Well people get bent about it for two distinct reasons.

One reason is simple idiocy in accepting a byline that the world is simple: that there is sex, and that any behaviors or views or whatever may arise is fixed to a binary of sex that cannot be extracted or viewed separately from the gonads; that there are only two "sexes" and that anything else is "excessive mumbo jumbo".

The second reason is because allowing people to bot have children, socially, creates ladders out of poverty through a lack of economic drag created by having kids, and by making difficulties, the wealthy can restore that economic drag and prevent people from gaining wealth as families and as collectives.

The first reason was engineered for the second reason.

We crave simplicity and hate change. This is human nature. This helped us survive as a species.

The reason why some people are stuck on two genders is inertia, in some part religious based inertia. Also used to think the planet was flat. Then the Earth was the center of the universe. It took a while for heliocentrism to take hold. Finally, there is also the issue of personal identity. People want to believe we choose who we are. It is actually somewhat unnerving to consider our identities are much less controlled by our conscience than we want to admit.

So there are a number of reasons why people would have an issue of shifting from the much more simplified and baseline concept of gender. Much of this issue is not engineered, it is habit and what people are used to. The alt-right use of it as a political weapon... that is fully engineered to take advantage of people.

But you have to ask why that is the inertia most virulently pushed up on us?

Because you are different and the fact your exist puts into question very long held beliefs.... just like heliocentrism did. Some people take this personally as an attack on them or their beliefs. It isn't rational, it just is.

The fact is, given between a political weapon that can achieve a primary aim for the wealthy ala keeping the poors poor, and a political weapon that just plays on some facile belief, they will pick the one with an impact that serves them.

There is a difference between taking advantage of something for political gains, and that something being engineered.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The reason why some people are stuck on two genders is inertia, in some part religious based inertia.

Nope, it's science and biology.

Gender is a social construct. Why does society even need to pay attention to it? It's clearly relevant to romantic situations but otherwise I think it's not the government's business. (You provide restrooms, you must treat all equally and it must be clearly disclosed but the exact means is up to you.)

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

He said "take care of it", not "dealt with". Anyway, its kind of a stretch to assume that CK meant "lynching" to be synonymous with "take care of it". "Take care of it" can just be a man stepping up and telling Lia (an intact male) to "get the fuck out of the women's locker room, NOW". She's putting words in his mouth by claiming he was talking about lynching. Also, CK was also referring to just this one event involving Riley Gaines and a transgender individual (Lia Thomas), and not "calling for violence against us" (i.e. all transgenders) or "openly calling for the lynching of transgender individuals".

That tweet is a giant clusterfuck.

Yes, but also no. Take care of it like in the 50s and 60s, which didn't mean to exclude from locker rooms. It meant forced conversion therapy. Old school medically backed torture of sorts.

As a note the Twitter post is from 2023.

What are you talking about?

I'm talking about what gays and transgender people were subjected to in the 1950s and 1960s in what was considered ethical medical treatment, that today we consider quite barberic. I said so in the post you quoted.

If Kirk meant simply to deny them access, he chose his words poorly.

Not only would have chosen his words poorly, he would have said something completely different.

Btw, He wasn't merely talking about locker rooms and sports, he made a sidebar about men becoming non-men these days and how he wished it were like back in the olden days. If he were ONLY talking about sports in the sidebar, he'd then be talking about the 80s or 90s or some other time period after the 60s. Transgenders in sports only became an issue in the early 2000s.

In other quotes, Kirk has called transgender people mentally ill. So, yes, this is what he was talking about. He's saying if we just consider them mentally ill, throw them in institutions--whatever was done in the 50s and 60s--then it solves the sports problem.

 

[Gospel]

He's only going after non-citizens so far. That has to be normalized before he goes after Americans.

If by ‘Americans’ you mean white, sure. But if you mean Black & Latinos who ‘look’ like undocumented immigrants, it’s already normalized. Citizens are being picked up by ICE on suspicion alone, and the right shrugs it off with, ‘Well, once they prove citizenship, they’re let go. That sounds normalized already IMO.

• Juan Carlos Lopez-Gomez Wrongfully detained by ICE in Florida for nearly 48 hours despite his citizenship claim. PBS
• Leonardo Garcia Venegas Born in Florida (U.S. citizen), he was detained during a workplace raid in Alabama. His REAL ID was dismissed as “fake” by officials, even after he claimed citizenship. The Guardian
• Peter Sean Brown (ongoing case from past detention) A federal court recently ruled in his favor over a 2018 incident where he was misidentified and held by ICE. American Civil Liberties Union+2Florida Phoenix+2

But of course you wouldn't imagine this is already happening because it's not happening to white people. And honestly, it makes sense you wouldn’t notice, because white people aren’t ICE’s targets.

The claim that America no longer has systemic racism is the biggest lie some Americans keep telling themselves.

Please note that I said "goes after".

What you are showing is that they don't care too much whether they got the right person or not, that that they are targeting Americans. That will come, just not yet.

You used the word ‘normalized’, my point is that for some American citizens (especially those most affected right now), it is normalized. I get that you don't see that in your own comment, because I don’t understand you either.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Yikes. I almost agree with Derec. Can't believe I'm writing that. I believe that IF the woman is in her right mind (not being trafficked due to an addiction or debt) AND she chooses to sell her services on HER terms, then I see no moral issue. It should be legal. That is a lot of qualifiers, but that is my thoughts.

Addiction doesn't cause trafficking, although people will use the approach of getting someone hooked to make it hard for them to walk away.

And note that "trafficking" is vastly overreported, the vast majority is simply prostitution. At the lower end of the market it can be useful to the prostitute to move around frequently, businesses which facilitate that are not engaging in trafficking. (Moving around will likely scuttle any ongoing police investigation and being new is a selling point.)

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I'm talking about what gays and transgender people were subjected to in the 1950s and 1960s in what was considered ethical medical treatment, that today we consider quite barberic. I said so in the post you quoted.

If Kirk meant simply to deny them access, he chose his words poorly.

And note how so often it's a matter of saying things in a way that people can pretend it's not evil when everyone is supposed to understand the real message.

 

[Politesse]

The number of people in this thread who don't get what "dealing with them like we did in the 50s" means is a shining testimony to the ugly reality of social privilege. You pampered little shitbags honestly have no comprehension of what it would be like to be truly discriminated against as a class. Like, it's not just that you have never been targeted, apparently you cannot even imagine what it would be like. Your coddled, pampered asses have no equivalent experience on which such empathy could even be cultivated. Jesus, how nice it must be! To just go outside and not once have to think "is someone going to rape or murder me today?" Except it isn't nice, because you've never known anything else, so you just take it for granted. I get it. When all you eat is caviar, it's just another fish. Spoiled little shits. I was seven years old the first time an adult sexually harassed and then beat the shit of me for being queer, and I didn't even know that about myself at the time. Seven. Fuck. Little seven year old woke "terrorist", I guess. Playing the wrong game on the playground. Assaulting the Church and State with a dollie. What a threat.

But you guys are also incredibly stupid if you think the Nazis won't eventually come for you too, when they are done with us. You may be oblivious about specific things, but even you have read too much, know too much, and care too much. They may come for you last, but you aren't safe from them. No contrarian ever is. Participating on an "Infidel" website is a disappearance order all by itself, when a theocratic regime is truly in the ascendancy. Naive, doomed fools. It would be tragic, if you weren't taking so many good people down with you. But as it stands, when your number comes up the only people who would have cared about your plight will have preceded you.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Spanish Inquisition: Taking from those who had more wealth than political power to protect themselves. It wasn't anything like genocide.

Crusades: Note what I said about armed. The Crusades were part of the longstanding Christianity/Islam conflict.

Indians: Again, note armed. Yes, they were defending their territory but it was a reaction to armed conflict, not genocide of an uninvolved group. In the ballpark with what's happening in Africa but nowhere near as brutal.

I dunno. Making lampshades out of human skin is pretty hard core. The intent behind the Indian wars was to exterminate the indigenous. Sounds pretty genocidal to me.

No. Horrible, yes. Genocide, no.

And the attempts to exterminate were a reaction to a long-standing conflict. Very wrong, but not simply trying to exterminate a population for not being on your side.

Of course greed was/the primary motive, just as it was the primary motivation behind the Crusades. Both the Indian wars and the Crusades had religious backing and motivation but mostly religion was used as the justification.

Re: Spanish Inquisition, from Wikipedia:

Spanish Inquisition - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

The Inquisition was originally intended primarily to identify heretics among those who converted from Judaism and Islam to Catholicism. The regulation of the faith of newly converted Catholics intensified following royal decrees issued in 1492 and 1502ordering Jews and Muslims to either convert to Catholicism, leave Castile or face death.<a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition#cite_note-AD2-1"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a>Hundreds of thousands of forced conversions, torture and executions, the persecution of conversos and moriscos, and the mass expulsions of Jews and Muslims from Spain all followed.<a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition#cite_note-Prien20122-2"><span>[</span>2<span>]</span></a> The inquisition expanded to other domains under the Spanish Crown, including Southern Italy and the Americas, while also targeting those accused of alumbradismo,Protestantism, witchcraft, blasphemy, bigamy, sodomy, Freemasonry, etc.

Sounds a lot like genocide with, again, the primary motivation being greed, all wrapped up in false piety.

It was presented as religious, but when you look at the victims it was robbery. Same as with Rwanda--most of the dead in that "genocide" make little sense as victims of genocide but look far more like an opportunity to settle old issues or to bring about inheritance earlier.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

He's only going after non-citizens so far. That has to be normalized before he goes after Americans.

If by ‘Americans’ you mean white, sure. But if you mean Black & Latinos who ‘look’ like undocumented immigrants, it’s already normalized. Citizens are being picked up by ICE on suspicion alone, and the right shrugs it off with, ‘Well, once they prove citizenship, they’re let go. That sounds normalized already IMO.

• Juan Carlos Lopez-Gomez Wrongfully detained by ICE in Florida for nearly 48 hours despite his citizenship claim. PBS
• Leonardo Garcia Venegas Born in Florida (U.S. citizen), he was detained during a workplace raid in Alabama. His REAL ID was dismissed as “fake” by officials, even after he claimed citizenship. The Guardian
• Peter Sean Brown (ongoing case from past detention) A federal court recently ruled in his favor over a 2018 incident where he was misidentified and held by ICE. American Civil Liberties Union+2Florida Phoenix+2

But of course you wouldn't imagine this is already happening because it's not happening to white people. And honestly, it makes sense you wouldn’t notice, because white people aren’t ICE’s targets.

The claim that America no longer has systemic racism is the biggest lie some Americans keep telling themselves.

Please note that I said "goes after".

What you are showing is that they don't care too much whether they got the right person or not, that that they are targeting Americans. That will come, just not yet.

No: The actual purpose of the ICE raids and indiscriminate taking of persons who don’t look sufficiently White American is:
1. To demonstrate Trump’s strong man bona fides.
2. Money. Huge amounts of money are being spent ( ie given to the ‘right’ people) and power.
3. To strike fear in every single person living in the US or contemplating coming here to visit, to work or make a life.

You may feel safe enough because your wife is Asian but you should not be so comfortable in your assumptions there. I am not.

Did you not notice the part where I said "just not yet"? I don't consider either of us safe, but I don't think there is an imminent risk.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I'm talking about what gays and transgender people were subjected to in the 1950s and 1960s in what was considered ethical medical treatment, that today we consider quite barberic. I said so in the post you quoted.

If Kirk meant simply to deny them access, he chose his words poorly.

And note how so often it's a matter of saying things in a way that people can pretend it's not evil when everyone is supposed to understand the real message.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

He's only going after non-citizens so far. That has to be normalized before he goes after Americans.

If by ‘Americans’ you mean white, sure. But if you mean Black & Latinos who ‘look’ like undocumented immigrants, it’s already normalized. Citizens are being picked up by ICE on suspicion alone, and the right shrugs it off with, ‘Well, once they prove citizenship, they’re let go. That sounds normalized already IMO.

• Juan Carlos Lopez-Gomez Wrongfully detained by ICE in Florida for nearly 48 hours despite his citizenship claim. PBS
• Leonardo Garcia Venegas Born in Florida (U.S. citizen), he was detained during a workplace raid in Alabama. His REAL ID was dismissed as “fake” by officials, even after he claimed citizenship. The Guardian
• Peter Sean Brown (ongoing case from past detention) A federal court recently ruled in his favor over a 2018 incident where he was misidentified and held by ICE. American Civil Liberties Union+2Florida Phoenix+2

But of course you wouldn't imagine this is already happening because it's not happening to white people. And honestly, it makes sense you wouldn’t notice, because white people aren’t ICE’s targets.

The claim that America no longer has systemic racism is the biggest lie some Americans keep telling themselves.

Please note that I said "goes after".

What you are showing is that they don't care too much whether they got the right person or not, that that they are targeting Americans. That will come, just not yet.

You used the word ‘normalized’, my point is that for some American citizens (especially those most affected right now), it is normalized. I get that you don't see that in your own comment, because I don’t understand you either.

They have to normalize going after non-citizens before they can go after citizens without getting too much pushback. Doesn't mean I think they won't eventually go after citizens.

 

[Shadowy Man]

The reason why some people are stuck on two genders is inertia, in some part religious based inertia.

Nope, it's science and biology.

Gender is a social construct. Why does society even need to pay attention to it? It's clearly relevant to romantic situations but otherwise I think it's not the government's business.

I don’t think it need be relevant to romantic situations. That’s not “clearly” true.

 

[Elixir]

Ask Charlie how many genders or sexes there are.
This is HIS damn thread.
R.I.P. Chas
(rest in purgatory)
Hermaphroditic humans are said to exist, though that might just be a rumor.
Does that mean there are nonetheless still only two two sexes or genders, just that one person could have both of them?
Such individual should they exist, would surely be ostracized. Fear of and revulsion to Others™ is quite universal.

 

[Toni]

Spanish Inquisition: Taking from those who had more wealth than political power to protect themselves. It wasn't anything like genocide.

Crusades: Note what I said about armed. The Crusades were part of the longstanding Christianity/Islam conflict.

Indians: Again, note armed. Yes, they were defending their territory but it was a reaction to armed conflict, not genocide of an uninvolved group. In the ballpark with what's happening in Africa but nowhere near as brutal.

I dunno. Making lampshades out of human skin is pretty hard core. The intent behind the Indian wars was to exterminate the indigenous. Sounds pretty genocidal to me.

No. Horrible, yes. Genocide, no.

And the attempts to exterminate were a reaction to a long-standing conflict. Very wrong, but not simply trying to exterminate a population for not being on your side.

Of course greed was/the primary motive, just as it was the primary motivation behind the Crusades. Both the Indian wars and the Crusades had religious backing and motivation but mostly religion was used as the justification.

Re: Spanish Inquisition, from Wikipedia:

Spanish Inquisition - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

The Inquisition was originally intended primarily to identify heretics among those who converted from Judaism and Islam to Catholicism. The regulation of the faith of newly converted Catholics intensified following royal decrees issued in 1492 and 1502ordering Jews and Muslims to either convert to Catholicism, leave Castile or face death.<a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition#cite_note-AD2-1"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a>Hundreds of thousands of forced conversions, torture and executions, the persecution of conversos and moriscos, and the mass expulsions of Jews and Muslims from Spain all followed.<a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition#cite_note-Prien20122-2"><span>[</span>2<span>]</span></a> The inquisition expanded to other domains under the Spanish Crown, including Southern Italy and the Americas, while also targeting those accused of alumbradismo,Protestantism, witchcraft, blasphemy, bigamy, sodomy, Freemasonry, etc.

Sounds a lot like genocide with, again, the primary motivation being greed, all wrapped up in false piety.

It was presented as religious, but when you look at the victims it was robbery. Same as with Rwanda--most of the dead in that "genocide" make little sense as victims of genocide but look far more like an opportunity to settle old issues or to bring about inheritance earlier.

The motivation behind all most all genocide (which included indigenous people in what is now the USA) was always money. Always. It's what is truly behind the Israel/Palestinian conflict, although it is dressed up in religion, as these things certainly most often are. Few are willing to admit their genocidal intentions. Hamas is unique in that they are, in fact, open about their desire to eliminate all Jews world wide. They are quite the exception. Hitler's extermination of Jews and other 'undesirables' was about power but also money. What happened to all of the wealth held by Jewish people?

 

[Playball40]

Yikes. I almost agree with Derec. Can't believe I'm writing that. I believe that IF the woman is in her right mind (not being trafficked due to an addiction or debt) AND she chooses to sell her services on HER terms, then I see no moral issue. It should be legal. That is a lot of qualifiers, but that is my thoughts.

Addiction doesn't cause trafficking, although people will use the approach of getting someone hooked to make it hard for them to walk away.

And note that "trafficking" is vastly overreported, the vast majority is simply prostitution. At the lower end of the market it can be useful to the prostitute to move around frequently, businesses which facilitate that are not engaging in trafficking. (Moving around will likely scuttle any ongoing police investigation and being new is a selling point.)

I didn't say it did. But it is commonly used as a way to traffic and exploit women and the second you 'add' a pimp to the mix, it is easy to assume there is exploitation and trafficking involved. And there is no such thing as 'simple prostitution'.

 

[Politesse]

Spanish Inquisition: Taking from those who had more wealth than political power to protect themselves. It wasn't anything like genocide.

Crusades: Note what I said about armed. The Crusades were part of the longstanding Christianity/Islam conflict.

Indians: Again, note armed. Yes, they were defending their territory but it was a reaction to armed conflict, not genocide of an uninvolved group. In the ballpark with what's happening in Africa but nowhere near as brutal.

I dunno. Making lampshades out of human skin is pretty hard core. The intent behind the Indian wars was to exterminate the indigenous. Sounds pretty genocidal to me.

No. Horrible, yes. Genocide, no.

And the attempts to exterminate were a reaction to a long-standing conflict. Very wrong, but not simply trying to exterminate a population for not being on your side.

Of course greed was/the primary motive, just as it was the primary motivation behind the Crusades. Both the Indian wars and the Crusades had religious backing and motivation but mostly religion was used as the justification.

Re: Spanish Inquisition, from Wikipedia:

Spanish Inquisition - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

The Inquisition was originally intended primarily to identify heretics among those who converted from Judaism and Islam to Catholicism. The regulation of the faith of newly converted Catholics intensified following royal decrees issued in 1492 and 1502ordering Jews and Muslims to either convert to Catholicism, leave Castile or face death.<a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition#cite_note-AD2-1"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a>Hundreds of thousands of forced conversions, torture and executions, the persecution of conversos and moriscos, and the mass expulsions of Jews and Muslims from Spain all followed.<a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition#cite_note-Prien20122-2"><span>[</span>2<span>]</span></a> The inquisition expanded to other domains under the Spanish Crown, including Southern Italy and the Americas, while also targeting those accused of alumbradismo,Protestantism, witchcraft, blasphemy, bigamy, sodomy, Freemasonry, etc.

Sounds a lot like genocide with, again, the primary motivation being greed, all wrapped up in false piety.

It was presented as religious, but when you look at the victims it was robbery. Same as with Rwanda--most of the dead in that "genocide" make little sense as victims of genocide but look far more like an opportunity to settle old issues or to bring about inheritance earlier.

The motivation behind all most all genocide (which included indigenous people in what is now the USA) was always money. Always. It's what is truly behind the Israel/Palestinian conflict, although it is dressed up in religion, as these things certainly most often are. Few are willing to admit their genocidal intentions. Hamas is unique in that they are, in fact, open about their desire to eliminate all Jews world wide. They are quite the exception. Hitler's extermination of Jews and other 'undesirables' was about power but also money. What happened to all of the wealth held by Jewish people?

That's unfair. Sometimes it's about land.

 

[Derec]

I don't understand why some people get so bent out of shape and so hateful that some people change their genders.

Same as back in the 1980's when I became aware that gay people existed.

Back then my attitude was, OK. It's not a problem. Leave them alone. It's not a problem.

I tend to agree with you for the most part. But I think the very aggressive trans activism ruined the goodwill they had as a part of the general LGBT movement and its successes.
Demanding that biological males compete in women's sports being the most obvious instance where they overshot and lost most people.

There is also the issue of non-binary being a marker for far left political activism rather than a genuine gender identity in many cases. Example: violent opposition to the police and fire training center in Atlanta. I think this kind of non-binary is kind of like political lesbianism of the 70s.