Charlie Kirk shot at (shot?) in Utah

[Derec]

I would argue that any white man who had her track record of delaying the release of black prisoners beyond the end of their sentence would NOT have been hailed as an exemplary pick by democrat voters.

Add that to another instance of poor judgment.
And in 2019 she downplayed her prosecutorial credentials, because law and order had already become an anathema to many Dems by that time - and it would become even worse after George Floyd.

 

[Derec]

Roe never had an actual law in place, it was ONLY an interpretation.

Ah yes, the infamous emanations from the penumbrae. That sounds more like Gnostic theogony and cosmology than sound constitutional jurisprudence.
And the "right to privacy" that Roe was based on was not consistently applied. It should have applied to things like gay sex (decades before Lawrence), consumption of marijuana in private, and also (probably most controversially on here because of illiberal feminists like Toni) also to sex work.
By tailoring "right to privacy" very narrowly, that right squandered a lot of appeal. Had more people had a stake in the decision, it would have been less controversial, I think.
The "pro choice" movement of the following decades continued this by only caring about one choice, not seeking broader pro-Individual-liberty coalition.

Btw, even the Notorious RBG had misgivings over how Roe was decided.
Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg Offers Critique of Roe v. Wade During Law School Visit

 

[Toni]

I point this out because some people are inclined to ignore the differences in motivations for the crimes and of the shooters. Some people want to paint only persons of color as being violent while ignoring the fact that white males kill a lot of children.

If you want to focus on the great divide with respect to violent crime, you could point out that most violent crime is committed by males, period. I don’t think that would make you any happier.

Not only that, but violent crime is far more about socioeconomic conditions than skin color. There's more black murder because there are more blacks in the inner city than whites in the messes in the rural southeast.

Oh, ffs, Loren. There is poverty in every single state, not just in the southeast. There are more poor people who do NOT live in urban areas than who do live in inner cities. Not all black people live in urban areas much less in impoverished inner cities. White middle class people also engage in violent crime, including murder. My town is a very good example of that.

 

[Toni]

Sure, but those are details. The point is that the overall resume is impressive, and no one would suppose her unqualified if she were a he.

Nobody is supposing that she was unqualified. Just that she has a bad judgment, and was unpopular. That would not have changed if she was a he.

I have said before that she looked very good on paper. But she failed in the 2020 presidential race, folding her campaign in December 2019, even though she had a lot of early advantages.
In 2024 she was practically forced down our throats because Biden prevaricated too long, and primaries were not feasible at that late stage. Then she failed again.

So, impressive on paper, much less impressive on tarmac.

Biden did not prevaricate. Biden was pretty much forced to step aside. Would Harris have had a better chance had she been the candidate from the convention forward? Possibly but I have my doubts.

 

[Elixir]

The tragedy, Elixir, is that you seem unwilling to make the effort to reduce hostility among citizens and avoid increasing the likelihood of a civil war.

As evidenced by the rather assholish content of your post.

The thing is there's basically no difference between reduce hostility against the right and appeasement.

Whoosh! It’s pointless.
‘War means killing, killing is bad and it’s much nicer to be killed slowly than to be killed so suddenly and violently in war.’

Maybe so - it’s probably all up to people who are much younger than I am. I doubt that war will be a big factor in my own demise. I can only try to feel out what’s happening and it seems that confrontational political violence is increasingly the province of our Hitler Trump youth, whose behavior will likely determine the ultimate level of physical violence.

 

[Bomb#20]

How old are you? Is your living memory defective, or just short?

Yeah it's not like leftists haven't been continually sounding the alarm about Project 2025's threats to free speech, which conservatives routinely ignore.

Dude, objecting to your outgroup censoring your ingroup is not the same thing as giving a rat's ass about free speech. Throughout the time leftists have been sounding the alarm about Project 2025 they've been enthusiastically cancelling non-leftists. Did even one of you make a stink about it when that professor got fired for saying everyone's life matters?

police say Booker hit the male in the head with an open hand

Poor guy. Good thing he was supporting the dead Fascist.

Yeah, it's kind of hard for the rest of us to take it seriously when for the first time in living memory leftists start giving a rat's ass about free speech.

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This you? Mr. "I only focus on the arguments and I'm so hyper-logical blah blah blah blah blahhh".

Yes, I do remember posts from 5 or more months ago because I happen to have an awesome memory.

You keep making up text, putting it in quotation marks, and attributing it to me. Why do you do that? For that matter, why do so many leftists think it's okay to do that?

As far as my focus and hyper-logic go, they're a lot like the tennis shoes in the old joke: I don't need to run faster than the bear...

As far as my alleged stereotyping goes, you stereotyped vegans. There's a commonality in the thought processes that cause people to become leftists; vegans are vegan for lots of different reasons. "I'm not vegan because I love animals; I'm vegan because I HATE PLANTS!". You know perfectly well stereotyping an ideology is entirely different from stereotyping some random personal characteristic. To wit...

And you know what else? I don't give a single ... about the fact that I'm "stereotyping conservatives". I don't give a single ... about playing fair with conservatives. Not after they caused the mess we're in.

You said that about conservatives; you wouldn't have said that about the handicapped, so you evidently know ideology is different. Well, leftists caused a lot of the mess we're in too. But what mess did vegans cause to justify not playing fair with them?

 

[laughing dog]

It should be neither assault nor battery.

Take it up with Texas legislature, not with the cops who witnessed it or the guy whose hat she tried to knock off.

Police are not required to arrest people.

 

[Elixir]

Dude, objecting to your outgroup censoring your ingroup is not the same thing as giving a rat's ass about free speech.

Lulz. Dualizing and polarizing entire populations for argumentation, is truly lack of argument. Ingroup outgroup is bullshit. You don’t know my “group” but fyi it included a lot of people either whom I disagree politically.
A desire to eradicate fascism isn’t the same as eradicating fascists. Just like in the ‘30s, Germans might not have exactly gone along with it wholeheartedly, but no biggie, and things were basically ok. The English and Jews were a threat but it’s just politics, and national pride is back after the humiliation of WWI. Let’s not make trouble by outgrouping our neighbor whose kids are in the Hitler Youth.

That’s about where we are today.

Dude, objecting to your outgroup censoring your ingroup is not the same thing as giving a rat's ass about free speech.

Wut again? ALLOWING censorship IS disallowing free speech. Doing it in increments doesn’t change that. A fair marketplace of ideas is the first thing these fascist jackasses have to eliminate, before they get voted the fuck out despite gerrymandering, media dominance and all the money. My “outgroup” is American traitors, FWIW

 

[Shadowy Man]

Did even one of you make a stink about it when that professor got fired for saying everyone's life matters?

not familiar with that one. Was the firing a result of coercion by the federal government?

 

[Ford]

Oh no. The left called Trump a fascists because he does things like take bribes from UAE and extort tribute from US companies.

Nevermind the right wing militias. The left doesn’t worship Charlie Kirk enough.

Maybe it's just me, but after trying to paint the shooter as a "radical leftist" and "trans" at first, the FBI has been kinda silent about what their investigation has discovered about his actual motives. The right wing media has moved onto bringing up the furry stuff, but oddly...nothing about his politics. Hmm...?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

But it's been shifting, and you can't possibly be blind to it. Just in the last decade, it's become commonplace for liberals, particularly progressives, to refer to conservatives of any sort as fascists, nazis, racists, bigots, and all sorts of extremely inflammatory terms. We just went through an election cycle where politicians and pundits regularly and routinely told the public at large that republicans are fascists intent on destroying democracy and setting up a dictator for life, that this was an existential threat, and that the people needed to do something about it.

It wasn't name-calling, it was simply reality. A reality that has come to pass. We have troops in the streets, we have a government that no longer respects the rule of law.

 

[Elixir]

It wasn't name-calling, it was simply reality. A reality that has come to pass. We have troops in the streets, we have a government that no longer respects the rule of law.

Truly, a person would have to live under a rock to fail to realize that.

 

[crazyfingers]

The tragedy, Elixir, is that you seem unwilling to make the effort to reduce hostility among citizens and avoid increasing the likelihood of a civil war.

As evidenced by the rather assholish content of your post.

The thing is there's basically no difference between reduce hostility against the right and appeasement.

Whoosh! It’s pointless.
‘War means killing, killing is bad and it’s much nicer to be killed slowly than to be killed so suddenly and violently in war.’

Maybe so - it’s probably all up to people who are much younger than I am. I doubt that war will be a big factor in my own demise. I can only try to feel out what’s happening and it seems that confrontational political violence is increasingly the province of our Hitler Trump youth, whose behavior will likely determine the ultimate level of physical violence.

Yes the Hitler Youth of today are responsible for 75-80% of political violence ending in death in the US.

Right-wing extremist violence has been deadlier than left-wing violence in recent years.

Based on government and independent analyses, right-wing extremist violence has been responsible for the overwhelming majority of fatalities, amounting to approximately 75% to 80% of U.S. domestic terrorism deaths since 2001.

Trump's MAGA are violent. Right-wingers are violent. Left wingers.. not so much. Leftwingers are 10% of political violence that ends in a death. 10% vs 80%. Right wingers 8x as bad.

Right-wing extremist violence is more frequent and more deadly than left-wing violence − what the data shows

Donald Trump and top administration officials confidently assert that left-wing political violence is a huge problem in the US. They’re wrong, say researchers who study extremism.

theconversation.com

Right-wing extremist violence is more frequent and deadly than left-wing violence, data shows

Donald Trump and top administration officials confidently assert that left-wing political violence is a huge problem in the United States. They’re wrong, say researchers who study extremism.

www.pbs.org

 

[Bomb#20]

Did even one of you make a stink about it when that professor got fired for saying everyone's life matters?

not familiar with that one. Was the firing a result of coercion by the federal government?

No, she was fired by the government of Massachusetts. Does it make a difference?

 

[Elixir]

The tragedy, Elixir, is that you seem unwilling to make the effort to reduce hostility among citizens and avoid increasing the likelihood of a civil war.

As evidenced by the rather assholish content of your post.

The thing is there's basically no difference between reduce hostility against the right and appeasement.

Whoosh! It’s pointless.
‘War means killing, killing is bad and it’s much nicer to be killed slowly than to be killed so suddenly and violently in war.’

Maybe so - it’s probably all up to people who are much younger than I am. I doubt that war will be a big factor in my own demise. I can only try to feel out what’s happening and it seems that confrontational political violence is increasingly the province of our Hitler Trump youth, whose behavior will likely determine the ultimate level of physical violence.

Yes the Hitler Youth of today are responsible for 75-80% of political violence ending in death in the US.

Right-wing extremist violence has been deadlier than left-wing violence in recent years.

Based on government and independent analyses, right-wing extremist violence has been responsible for the overwhelming majority of fatalities, amounting to approximately 75% to 80% of U.S. domestic terrorism deaths since 2001.

Trump's MAGA are violent. Right-wingers are violent. Left wingers.. not so much. Leftwingers are 10% of political violence that ends in a death. 10% vs 80%. Right wingers 8x as bad.

Right-wing extremist violence is more frequent and more deadly than left-wing violence − what the data shows

Donald Trump and top administration officials confidently assert that left-wing political violence is a huge problem in the US. They’re wrong, say researchers who study extremism.

theconversation.com

Right-wing extremist violence is more frequent and deadly than left-wing violence, data shows

Donald Trump and top administration officials confidently assert that left-wing political violence is a huge problem in the United States. They’re wrong, say researchers who study extremism.

www.pbs.org

Koom- buy-yyaaaa muthafugga.

I think a growing* fraction of MAGAts are low and middle managers in giant Companies. They can afford boats, lifted and wrapped f350 duallies, land yachts etc, but will never attain centa-millionaire status. But I suspect they’re the major domestic donor pool.

 

[Elixir]

OMG. the horrors. And I thought Texans were supposed to tough. But they are fucking snowflakes.

How does "tough" enter the issue that this young woman committed a misdemeanor assault while police were watching her meltdown?

FFS, hat grabbing should not be assault. The police overreacted to her overreaction.

The attempt to grab a hat is both assault and battery. That being said, likely they were being selective about who they went after.

It should be neither assault nor battery.

Asshattery?

 

[Shadowy Man]

Did even one of you make a stink about it when that professor got fired for saying everyone's life matters?

not familiar with that one. Was the firing a result of coercion by the federal government?

No, she was fired by the government of Massachusetts. Does it make a difference?

No. It doesn’t. As I said I wasn’t familiar with that one. Do you have a link to read?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Radical Christianity is just as incompatible with US culture (as set out in your constitution) as radical Islam, and only the former is an existential threat to the USA.

No. Radical Islam is a few orders of magnitude more out there than radical Christianity.
But Islamism gets defended by the far left because of the latter's rigid oppressor-oppressed paradigm that identifies Muslims as "the oppressed" because they are not western.

It has been pointed out to you consistently that the left doesn't defend "Islamism" but rather we just happen not to believe every single Muslim is an evil terrorist. You just conflate the two things because you're an idiot.

The problem is that the left ends up refusing to believe the danger of radical Islam. It's not all Muslims, it's that most Muslims will not oppose the radicals.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Radical Christianity is way out there, also. It's just we haven't seen much of their insanity.

Speak for yourself because your eyes must be wide shut.

We do not see a lot with the level of wrongness that we see from Islam. Where is the Christian equivalent to the Iranian-backed genocides of Africa?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Of course, you have not yet explained what makes her a poor pick. Any white man who had a track record as AG and senator, among other qualifications, would have been hailed as an exemplary pick.

Too far left. A lot of society has come to recognize DEI as de facto discrimination, the Democrats keep doubling down on trying to pull the country left. It doesn't work that way, people rejected her. And by being too far left she put herself in a position where minor issues could be used against her in a big way.

Not to mention in her campaign, she was very evasive in giving direct answers to questions. It came across to me, and others, that she either was hiding something, or just didn't have any answers. It was maddening to the public, and even the press got on her case about it.

The thing is people were demanding simplistic answers like The Felon was giving. The reality is that there wasn't really much of anything that needed doing, the economic fallout of Covid was fixing itself anyway.