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I resent the notion that any kind of unpopular view must come from hate. I don't see any hate coming from Emily or Bomb#20, in fact quite the contrary. They don't deserve the shit they've been handed.

I was sexually assaulted when I was on a camping trip with a bunch of guys from school. I'm a small guy and not a tough guy, and he was drunk as fuck and much bigger. It sucks. I can easily understand if a woman is uncomfortable around men in the bathroom, dressing room, etc. Why in the fuck we should haul these women up as evil and hateful is beyond me.
Have you proposed involuntarily committing all big guys as a punishment for what that specific one did? The hateful part isn't that she has those feelings, the hateful part is what she wants done to innocent people because of those feelings. As a person I don't feel comfortable walking around in certain neighborhoods of my city, but I don't go online and demand that they all be bulldozed and their residents dehomed. People's feelings are their own, but only until they channel those feelings into acts of hatred and violence towards others. That's when a line has to be drawn.
What the actual fuck are you talking about?

Who do I want to have committed for what someone else did? What do you think I want done to innocent people, and can you provide ANY quote that supports your malicious and downright evil mischaracterization?

And where the holy fuck do you get off insinuating that I want neighborhoods bulldozed and people rehomed? Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you?

This behavior from you is immoral, unethical, and wholly unacceptable.
It's a comparison. He's not saying that you want neighborhoods bulldozed, he's saying that your approach to trans is the equivalent of leveling high crime parts of cities.
Sure, sure. My approach of legal protection from discrimination in housing and employment, but not letting any male who says magic words peep on women without consent. Truly, I'm evil and not letting the males with special womanly feels in their brains strip down and show off their dicks to unconsenting women is totally just like bulldozing cities. Yep.
You completely misunderstand the comparison.

You want to effectively ban them from society because you are afraid of some of them. Exactly like wanting to remove the bad parts of town.
 
You cannot protect women in bathrooms from rape by banning transwomen from ladies rooms
Let's say that tomorrow, a new law is passed that lets any male use the women's room if they wish. There are still rooms labeled "mens" and "womens", but males can use whichever they would like to.

Do you think this law will:
A) Reduce the risk of a woman being subjected to sexual assault, voyeurism, and exhibitionism?
B) Increase the risk of a woman being subjected to sexual assault, voyeurism, and exhibitionism?
C) No change to the risk of a woman being subjected to sexual assault, voyeurism, and exhibitionism?

Please include your rationale for which option you choose as the most likely impact of that law on women.
1) It would have pretty much zero effect on sexual assault as toilets are not a common venue in the first place.

2) It probably would increase voyeurism and exhibitionism.

However, we are arguing for said person being female-presenting and with an ID that says F. That will basically screen out the perverts.

And you still haven't adequately addressed the male-presenting people that you are requiring to use the women's. You can quickly identify a FtM vs a M?
 
ACTUAL enacted fascist laws and rules in place.
Why bother with that, when you can simply designate your political opposition terrorists,
Examples? Which political party has been designated as a terrorist organization? Which politicians have been designated as terrorists?
Are you not aware of Antifa being designated as a terrorist organization? Despite the fact that it's not even an organization in the first place.
send the military to terrorize enemy territory and let ‘em sue, while SCROTUS sits on its ass playing with itself.
What are you even talking about?
If anyone gets in trouble for say, burning down a judge’s house,
Arson is punishable by law, and ought to be.
breaking and entering the Capitol to impede a government function or anything like that … just PARDON!
Oh tnoes! The horror! A president *gasp* pardoned someone, that's never been done before! Obviously that's fascism in action... so yeah, every president in living memory is clearly a fascist!
The J6 pardons are not remotely like typical pardons. When has there ever been a blanket pardon of participants in a specified criminal act?

And the J6 pardons gave a strong indication that if you're doing what Hair Fuhrer wants you'll be pardoned.
 
I didn’t realize Jack Posobiec was part of Turning Point USA until I was reading about the little rally they had in Washington today where he was a guest of Trump.
 
Are you blind to how he's totally stomping all over the Constitution?

And note that your approach to avoiding war is appeasement. History will tell you how bad a solution this is.


I see him stomping on the constitution, just like Biden, Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, and Reagan. Before that I was too young to follow politics but the history books say others before them did the same.
Not "just like". He's going far, far further than they did.
“Fighting” cannot succeed if it means violence as a means of directly forcing an end, but it can motivate people.
We are in this fix right now largely because violence on 1/6 was so successfully sold as a rallying cry.

The FBI has admitted that 274 of the people at that protest were undercover FBI agents. That is so far.

I'm still amused that people call it "violent", usually the same people who call "summer of love" in 2000 "mostly peaceful" while standing in front of burning buildings.
A bunch of undercover agents at a protest says nothing about whether the agents were part of the group that attacked.

J6 was a lot more violent than the 2020 protests. Look at the ratio of deaths to participants.
 
ACTUAL enacted fascist laws and rules in place.
Why bother with that, when you can simply designate your political opposition terrorists,
Examples? Which political party has been designated as a terrorist organization? Which politicians have been designated as terrorists?
Are you not aware of Antifa being designated as a terrorist organization? Despite the fact that it's not even an organization in the first place.
These disingenuous fucks tend to not be aware of the most recent events (or just ignore them) and then claim we're just making things up.
 
Examples? Which political party has been designated as a terrorist organization? Which politicians have been designated as terrorists?

Legally: none.
Rhetorically: Trump has used language that treats Democrats like terrorists.
Exactly, mob-speak.

Yes, the US isn't a fascist nation at the moment. Trump's actions are definitely trending that direction. If in four years with no election, it is, there wouldn't be a surprise. And then Emily Lake would be saying, 'but where are the detention camps?"
 
Emily Lake, your counter-arguments and snarky quips are shallow and arbitrary — they don’t engage with the actual evidence being discussed. They read more like gaslighting than reasoning.

ACTUAL enacted fascist laws and rules in place.
Why bother with that, when you can simply designate your political opposition terrorists,
Examples? Which political party has been designated as a terrorist organization? Which politicians have been designated as terrorists?

Fascism doesn’t happen overnight. It’s a gradual process — a sliding spectrum of escalation. You don’t wake up one morning with a dictatorship; it happens through a series of increasingly normalized steps. As Gospel already pointed out, the rhetoric comes first. Trump identifies targets rhetorically, then mobilizes supporters to harass or attack them, and eventually uses state power or legal pressure. The key pattern is escalation — in both scope and intensity — against broader categories of opposition.

Your question artificially narrows the focus to “politicians,” but “political opposition” is far broader. It includes journalists, judges, military officials, career civil servants, NGOs, and ordinary citizens who stand in the way of Trump’s ambitions. This isn’t hypothetical — it’s observable.

Many officials who could act as institutional checks on him have been purged, had security clearances revoked, or been targeted by false accusations. Former FBI Director James Comey is an obvious example — publicly accused, investigated, and vilified after refusing political loyalty. Figures like Chris Christie face continual public smears that serve as warning shots to others. Trump’s system tests obedience, punishes dissent, and rewards submission — classic features of authoritarian consolidation.

Trump also sought to invoke the Insurrection Act, which would have allowed military use against civilians without state request — a clear violation of democratic norms and the Posse Comitatus Act. His rhetoric toward political leaders like the mayor of Chicago and the governor of Illinois, calling their governance “illegal,” fits into this same escalation pattern: delegitimize opponents rhetorically, then criminalize them legally.

Meanwhile, Trump’s national security directives increasingly use vague, sweeping language. He’s labeled ideological enemies like George Soros and his affiliated organizations as threats to the nation — another hallmark of creeping fascism, where the line between dissent and treason blurs. Declaring Antifa a “terrorist organization” is part of this same pattern. Whether or not one supports Antifa’s tactics, the move itself expands executive power to treat political opposition as a national security threat.

Invocation of the Insurrection Act is looming and more groups and individuals will be labeled, whether it is by the term terrorist or insurrectionist or traitor is irrelevant as they are functionally equivalent under the umbrella of the fascist momentum.

send the military to terrorize enemy territory and let ‘em sue, while SCROTUS sits on its ass playing with itself.
What are you even talking about?
If anyone gets in trouble for say, burning down a judge’s house,
Arson is punishable by law, and ought to be.
breaking and entering the Capitol to impede a government function or anything like that … just PARDON!
Oh tnoes! The horror! A president *gasp* pardoned someone, that's never been done before! Obviously that's fascism in action... so yeah, every president in living memory is clearly a fascist!

Would you also dismiss Hitler’s early legal maneuvers as “just enacting laws?” I’m not comparing Trump directly to Hitler, but your argument ignores context. You’re treating all pardons as equal when they’re clearly not. The January 6th pardons and promised future ones involve people who acted — or were prepared to act — as his personal enforcers during an attempted coup d’état.

These weren’t ordinary political allies or corrupt associates; they were participants in a violent attempt to overturn an election. Trump publicly told groups like the Proud Boys to “stand back and stand by,” and they did — waiting for his signal. That’s not “business as usual” in presidential pardons. It’s the use of state clemency to protect one’s own paramilitary wing.

Even if other presidents have abused the pardon power, none have used it to reward participants in their own coup attempt. That alone marks a qualitative shift toward authoritarianism.

Failed coups followed by electoral comebacks are often the turning point toward fascism — history gives us multiple examples, from Mussolini’s 1922 march on Rome to Hitler’s 1923 Beer Hall Putsch, which he later reframed as patriotic martyrdom. Yes, his own Day of Love. Trump’s playbook mirrors that trajectory: delegitimize elections, glorify violence, punish dissent, and purge institutions that resist him.

Fascism doesn’t require a swastika or formal declaration — only a leader who replaces rule of law with loyalty, and citizens willing to excuse it one step at a time.
 
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These weren’t ordinary political allies or corrupt associates; they were participants in a violent attempt to overturn an election. Trump publicly told groups like the Proud Boys to “stand back and stand by,” and they did — waiting for his signal. That’s not “business as usual” in presidential pardons. It’s the use of state clemency to protect one’s own paramilitary wing.
Believe or not, these things are but subtleties to conservotards. “A pardon is a pardon, these thugs were on our side, and that’s the only reason you’re complaining … “
Disgusting.
The death of a nation never happens if you look the other way for long enough.
 
Examples? Which political party has been designated as a terrorist organization? Which politicians have been designated as terrorists?

Legally: none.
Rhetorically: Trump has used language that treats Democrats like terrorists.
He even issues threats to designate non-existent organizations as “terrorists” so he can persecute whoever he wants, by saying they’re a member.
 
He even issues threats to designate non-existent organizations as “terrorists” so he can persecute whoever he wants, by saying they’re a member.
One characteristic of an authoritarian regime is laws that make anyone a criminal, as needed by the authorities.

Once everyone can be convicted of breaking the law regardless of what they did (or didn't) do, arrest ceases to be a consequence of antisocial behaviour, and instead becomes a consequence of the whims of the authorities.

In a free country, you commit an offense, and then get arrested. In an authoritarian dictatorship, you get arrested, and then get assigned an offense.

Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of the Communist party Antifa?
 
You completely misunderstand the comparison.

You want to effectively ban them from society because you are afraid of some of them. Exactly like wanting to remove the bad parts of town.
Exactly what part of my views can be interpreted by a reasonable and rational person as wanting to ban transgender people from society as a whole? Be specific.
 
You cannot protect women in bathrooms from rape by banning transwomen from ladies rooms
Let's say that tomorrow, a new law is passed that lets any male use the women's room if they wish. There are still rooms labeled "mens" and "womens", but males can use whichever they would like to.

Do you think this law will:
A) Reduce the risk of a woman being subjected to sexual assault, voyeurism, and exhibitionism?
B) Increase the risk of a woman being subjected to sexual assault, voyeurism, and exhibitionism?
C) No change to the risk of a woman being subjected to sexual assault, voyeurism, and exhibitionism?

Please include your rationale for which option you choose as the most likely impact of that law on women.
1) It would have pretty much zero effect on sexual assault as toilets are not a common venue in the first place.

2) It probably would increase voyeurism and exhibitionism.
Alright, so it will increase voyeurism and exhibitionism. Do you think it's a good idea to create policies that increase the likelihood of women being subjected to voyeurism and exhibitionism? What benefit is gained that offsets the harm done to women?
However, we are arguing for said person being female-presenting and with an ID that says F. That will basically screen out the perverts.
There are several things in here that you seem to be assuming without evidence.
First, you're assuming that they have an ID that has an F on it... and you're assuming that their ID will be requested.
Second, you're assuming that someone spending 30 minutes at the DMV to change their ID will screen out perverts.
Third, you're assuming that "female presenting" is somehow required.
Fourth, you're assuming that perverts would never, ever put on a skirt if it let them engage in *legally sanctioned* voyeurism and/or exhibitionism.
And you still haven't adequately addressed the male-presenting people that you are requiring to use the women's. You can quickly identify a FtM vs a M?
I don't actually care what risks FtM women choose to take for themselves. If they wish to use the men's room, I don't care.

If the hen wants to toss on a fur coat and go hang out in the fox den, I'm not going to stop her. If the fox glues feathers to his head and waltzes into the henhouse, I think he should be evicted immediately. The situations are not equivalent, and the risk exposures aren't the same. The hen-to-fox transitioner is taking on risk only for herself - she is no danger to the foxes. The fox-to-hen transitioner places all hens at risk.
 
ACTUAL enacted fascist laws and rules in place.
Why bother with that, when you can simply designate your political opposition terrorists,
Examples? Which political party has been designated as a terrorist organization? Which politicians have been designated as terrorists?
Are you not aware of Antifa being designated as a terrorist organization? Despite the fact that it's not even an organization in the first place.
Is antifia a political party now?
send the military to terrorize enemy territory and let ‘em sue, while SCROTUS sits on its ass playing with itself.
What are you even talking about?
If anyone gets in trouble for say, burning down a judge’s house,
Arson is punishable by law, and ought to be.
breaking and entering the Capitol to impede a government function or anything like that … just PARDON!
Oh tnoes! The horror! A president *gasp* pardoned someone, that's never been done before! Obviously that's fascism in action... so yeah, every president in living memory is clearly a fascist!
The J6 pardons are not remotely like typical pardons. When has there ever been a blanket pardon of participants in a specified criminal act?
Up until recently, we've also never had a president preemptively pardon someone for crimes that haven't yet been discovered either.

I actually oppose ALL presidential pardons. I think it's a disastrous notion and is likely to be abused in horribly partisan ways. But it exists, and it's been practiced to varying extents for a long time. I'm not going to cherry pick which pardons I think are good and which are bad, when they're all cases of the executive branch overriding the judicial.
And the J6 pardons gave a strong indication that if you're doing what Hair Fuhrer wants you'll be pardoned.
Sure, and Biden's pardons gave a strong indication that if you're related to a president, you can do whatever you want with no consequences.
 
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