Charlie Kirk shot at (shot?) in Utah

[Jarhyn]

There have been dozens of instances of democrats referring to him as an enemy of the country, that he's going to destroy democracy and set himself up as a tyrant, and is an existential threat to democracy. They've been saying this, in escalating forms, for nearly a decade - it started when we was running the first time, and it has never stopped. He's been repeatedly referred to as a russian asset, a spy, in Putin's pocket, and many other ways that insinuate that he's a traitor who should be barred from running for office and should be in jail.

... and there's not one hint nor shred of evidence that any of these accusations are untrue or unfair.

There's also not one hint or shred of evidence that it's untrue that a teapot is orbiting Mercury.

Since there is no evidence there is a teapot orbiting Mercury and there is evidence Trump is a traitor, I find your response extremely puzzling.

You think trump is a russian asset and a spy, and you think there's evidence of that? Are you one of those people who still insists that the pee tape is real?

Trump's actions regarding Russia have clearly been in Russia's best interest, not America.No US President has acted towards Russia (as in blind favor for no US gain) as Trump has.

Obfuscate that all you want.

Look, she clearly doesn't care that Trump is a child Rapist, that he walked in on beauty pageants contestants in various states of undress, or that some of those contestants were children.

She doesn't care that there is photographic evidence of Trump around a pool with very young and scantily clad girls.

She doesn't care that Epstien recruited underage girls already in Trump's employment.

Obviously, none of that other stuff could possibly be MORE compromising than a pee tape.

Of course, "the pee tape" is probably not an actual tape of someone getting peed on, it's likely photos of Trump banging a 13 year old. The "pee tape" is a fanciful interpretation of what the mystery kompromat is, a euphemism, somehow, because the reality is assuredly far worse than a golden shower clip.

Dude, not helping here.

Honestly, I don't care what you think is and isn't help. Maybe stop pretending that she isn't now and hasn't always been a MAGA waiting for her people to come out of the woodwork.

Trump's own wife has meetings with Putin.

There isn't any shortage of Kompromat, or access to it, for Putin.

I'm honestly having a really hard time seeing how any "liberal" so persistently on the conservative knob can exist without some secondary incentive or some deep self-hate, but you do you, I guess

 

[Elixir]

L

Look, she clearly doesn't care that Trump is a child Rapist, that he walked in on beauty pageants contestants in various states of undress, or that some of those contestants were children.

She doesn't care that there is photographic evidence of Trump around a pool with very young and scantily clad girls.

She doesn't care that Epstien recruited underage girls already in Trump's employment.

Obviously, none of that other stuff could possibly be MORE compromising than a pee tape.

Of course, "the pee tape" is probably not an actual tape of someone getting peed on, it's likely photos of Trump banging a 13 year old. The "pee tape" is a fanciful interpretation of what the mystery kompromat is, a euphemism, somehow, because the reality is assuredly far worse than a golden shower clip.

Dude, not helping here.

Not helping WHAT?
Russia’s kompromat has outlived its expiration date. Pooterz can try all he wants to defame Trump, and all Donny has to do is say “nuh-uh” and his idiots will be satisfied.

 

[Jarhyn]

L

Look, she clearly doesn't care that Trump is a child Rapist, that he walked in on beauty pageants contestants in various states of undress, or that some of those contestants were children.

She doesn't care that there is photographic evidence of Trump around a pool with very young and scantily clad girls.

She doesn't care that Epstien recruited underage girls already in Trump's employment.

Obviously, none of that other stuff could possibly be MORE compromising than a pee tape.

Of course, "the pee tape" is probably not an actual tape of someone getting peed on, it's likely photos of Trump banging a 13 year old. The "pee tape" is a fanciful interpretation of what the mystery kompromat is, a euphemism, somehow, because the reality is assuredly far worse than a golden shower clip.

Dude, not helping here.

Not helping WHAT?
Russia’s kompromat has outlived its expiration date. Pooterz can try all he wants to defame Trump, and all Donny has to do is say “nuh-uh” and his idiots will be satisfied.

That depends. He's been married to a Russian asset for a while now and is a blithering idiot who stored nuclear documents in a broom closet.

I expect that Putin has his own annotated copies of whatever documents were generated from the Child trafficking stuff. Maybe even the whole of the Epstein Files.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

L

Look, she clearly doesn't care that Trump is a child Rapist, that he walked in on beauty pageants contestants in various states of undress, or that some of those contestants were children.

She doesn't care that there is photographic evidence of Trump around a pool with very young and scantily clad girls.

She doesn't care that Epstien recruited underage girls already in Trump's employment.

Obviously, none of that other stuff could possibly be MORE compromising than a pee tape.

Of course, "the pee tape" is probably not an actual tape of someone getting peed on, it's likely photos of Trump banging a 13 year old. The "pee tape" is a fanciful interpretation of what the mystery kompromat is, a euphemism, somehow, because the reality is assuredly far worse than a golden shower clip.

Dude, not helping here.

Not helping WHAT?
Russia’s kompromat has outlived its expiration date. Pooterz can try all he wants to defame Trump, and all Donny has to do is say “nuh-uh” and his idiots will be satisfied.

There was more noise in Jarhyn's post than on FM Radio.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

There have been dozens of instances of democrats referring to him as an enemy of the country, that he's going to destroy democracy and set himself up as a tyrant, and is an existential threat to democracy. They've been saying this, in escalating forms, for nearly a decade - it started when we was running the first time, and it has never stopped. He's been repeatedly referred to as a russian asset, a spy, in Putin's pocket, and many other ways that insinuate that he's a traitor who should be barred from running for office and should be in jail.

... and there's not one hint nor shred of evidence that any of these accusations are untrue or unfair.

There's also not one hint or shred of evidence that it's untrue that a teapot is orbiting Mercury.

Since there is no evidence there is a teapot orbiting Mercury and there is evidence Trump is a traitor, I find your response extremely puzzling.

You think trump is a russian asset and a spy, and you think there's evidence of that? Are you one of those people who still insists that the pee tape is real?

Trump's actions regarding Russia have clearly been in Russia's best interest, not America.No US President has acted towards Russia (as in blind favor for no US gain) as Trump has.

Obfuscate that all you want.

Look, she clearly doesn't care that Trump is a child Rapist, that he walked in on beauty pageants contestants in various states of undress, or that some of those contestants were children.

She doesn't care that there is photographic evidence of Trump around a pool with very young and scantily clad girls.

She doesn't care that Epstien recruited underage girls already in Trump's employment.

Obviously, none of that other stuff could possibly be MORE compromising than a pee tape.

Of course, "the pee tape" is probably not an actual tape of someone getting peed on, it's likely photos of Trump banging a 13 year old. The "pee tape" is a fanciful interpretation of what the mystery kompromat is, a euphemism, somehow, because the reality is assuredly far worse than a golden shower clip.

Dude, not helping here.

Honestly, I don't care what you think is and isn't help.

That was anticipated.

Maybe stop pretending that she isn't now and hasn't always been a MAGA waiting for her people to come out of the woodwork.

Dude, I go way back with Emily Post and was one of the ones to independently know her original banned identity when she came back as Emily Post.

I have doubts on their actual positions but one thing is certain, Emily Post isn't the subject of the thread.

Trump's own wife has meetings with Putin.

Trump's campaign team met witb Kremlin stooges. We know something is wrong. There are many possible causes, but whether economic blackmail, social blackmail (it really doesn't matter), Trump's actions with Russia have benefitted only Russia. And that is what matters.

There isn't any shortage of Kompromat, or access to it, for Putin.

I'm honestly having a really hard time seeing how any "liberal" so persistently on the conservative knob can exist without some secondary incentive or some deep self-hate, but you do you, I guess

That also doesn't matter. It is just more noise.

 

[Jarhyn]

Look, she clearly doesn't care that Trump is a child Rapist, that he walked in on beauty pageants contestants in various states of undress, or that some of those contestants were children.

She doesn't care that there is photographic evidence of Trump around a pool with very young and scantily clad girls.

She doesn't care that Epstien recruited underage girls already in Trump's employment.

Obviously, none of that other stuff could possibly be MORE compromising than a pee tape.

Of course, "the pee tape" is probably not an actual tape of someone getting peed on, it's likely photos of Trump banging a 13 year old. The "pee tape" is a fanciful interpretation of what the mystery kompromat is, a euphemism, somehow, because the reality is assuredly far worse than a golden shower clip.

Dude, not helping here.

Not helping WHAT?
Russia’s kompromat has outlived its expiration date. Pooterz can try all he wants to defame Trump, and all Donny has to do is say “nuh-uh” and his idiots will be satisfied.

There was more noise in Jarhyn's post than on FM Radio.

"Noise".

Trump is a Child Rapist, and the reality is that there are more "pee tapes" involving Kompromat of him than anyone here really wants to think about.

The fact, the material and undeniable evidence of Trump having fucked children, cannot possibly outside the reach of Russia.

This is not noise; i's a plain fact that given all the child rape that has happened, Trump's idiocy, and his Russian wife, that Putin has reams of documents.

Trump's close involvement with Epstein means that at least some of that would have also filtered over.

 

[Elixir]

L

Look, she clearly doesn't care that Trump is a child Rapist, that he walked in on beauty pageants contestants in various states of undress, or that some of those contestants were children.

She doesn't care that there is photographic evidence of Trump around a pool with very young and scantily clad girls.

She doesn't care that Epstien recruited underage girls already in Trump's employment.

Obviously, none of that other stuff could possibly be MORE compromising than a pee tape.

Of course, "the pee tape" is probably not an actual tape of someone getting peed on, it's likely photos of Trump banging a 13 year old. The "pee tape" is a fanciful interpretation of what the mystery kompromat is, a euphemism, somehow, because the reality is assuredly far worse than a golden shower clip.

Dude, not helping here.

Not helping WHAT?
Russia’s kompromat has outlived its expiration date. Pooterz can try all he wants to defame Trump, and all Donny has to do is say “nuh-uh” and his idiots will be satisfied.

That depends. He's been married to a Russian asset for a while now and is a blithering idiot who stored nuclear documents in a broom closet.

I expect that Putin has his own annotated copies of whatever documents were generated from the Child trafficking stuff. Maybe even the whole of the Epstein Files.

So what? We already have sexual assault, rape, fraud(34x), insurrection, etc etc etc.
why would what Pootey has to offer make one bit of difference?

 

[Elixir]

There was more noise in Jarhyn's post than on FM Radio.

That might be a point, if you had said AM radio.

 

[Elixir]

Russia’s kompromat has outlived its expiration date. Pooterz can try all he wants to defame Trump, and all Donny has to do is say “nuh-uh” and his idiots will be satisfied.

That depends.

Nope. Even his stinking Depends® aren't enough to put his idiots off.

 

[Bomb#20]

It's of course perfectly possible there's a logical leftist on IIDB; but then it's perfectly possible there's a teacup orbiting Jupiter

Paint yourself with your broad-brush insults. It’s possible that there’s a rational criticism of leftists, but that’s not it.

Any reason in particular you're arguing against a taken-out-of-context sentence fragment? I was explaining how burden-of-proof works. Nobody claimed it was a rational criticism of leftists. It was one eighth of a rational criticism of leftists. The sentence you extracted it from was one quarter of a rational criticism of leftists. The paragraph that contained the sentence was half of a rational criticism of leftists. The entire rational criticism of leftists is the paragraph plus the crickets from leftists I suspect will follow it.

calling anti-socialism "Nazi ideology" is on a level with calling pro-freeway "Nazi ideology"

Wut?

The Nazis were famously pro-freeway, but that doesn't make pro-freeway "Nazi ideology". Pro-freeway opinion is widely distributed across people of many ideologies and none; no ideology has a trademark on it. The same goes for anti-socialism.

Freeways are a socialist creation.

Nazis are a socialist creation. What's your point? As the Nazis were pro-freeway, if you're correct then that's just more evidence against anti-socialism being "Nazi ideology".

The “free” part should have been a clue.

The "free" part of "freeway" refers to the road being free from stop signs, stoplights and cross traffic. What's that got to do with socialism?

Pro-freeway is Antifa - go get ‘em!

Wut?

 

[Bomb#20]

As a colony,

You're still a colony?

Our head of state is King Charles III, so I am going to go with "yes".

By that standard, England is a colony too.

(Of Scotland -- Charles III is only King because he's the heir of James VI. )

 

[Elixir]

The "free" part of "freeway" refers to the road being free from stop signs, stoplights and cross traffic. What's that got to do with socialism?

Free of toll booths. Paid for communally, starting in an era when racist America’s top marginal tax rate was 91%. And curiously that was when they think America was great.
That’s what it’s got to do with (what today’s Republicans call) socialism.

 

[bilby]

The Nazis were famously pro-freeway, but that doesn't make pro-freeway "Nazi ideology".

The Germans built transport infrastructure largely in an effort to improve their military strategic position, sandwiched as they are between France and Russia.

In the decades leading up to the Great War, that meant railways; A look at the map of Germany shows that. Most European rail networks are in a 'hub and spokes' pattern, centred on the capital city, but Germany instead has a number of roughly parallell main line routes running east-to-west. These were built to carry troops and materiel to the East after the quick victory over France, and before the Tsar had time to fully mobilise. One key destabilising factor that led to war was the French funding for railways between Russian cities and the German and Austro-Hungarian borders, which shortened the time required for Russian mobilisation, and put German mobilisation on a hair-trigger - any sign that Russia had begun to mobilise now demanded an immediate invasion of France.

In the half-time break between World Wars in the European Theatre, similar strategic calculus demanded high speed transport links from West to East in Germany; The railways were already built, but motor transport had become a much greater element of military logistics than it had been in 1918, so a program of autobahn construction was also needed.

The motorways, autoroutes, freeways, and Interstate Highways built in other European nations, and in North America, after 1945 were largely inspired by the lesson of the Germans on the logistical benefits such high speed roads confer to an army.

The Kaiser didn't build autobahns, he built railways, because in his day, automobiles were a novelty and a toy for the rich, rather than a serious transportation option for mass movement of personnel and materiel.

The Nazis weren't fans of autobahns because of their ideology; They were fans because of their strategic position.

Of course, good transportation and military logistics infrastructure doesn't only benefit the builder's armies; And having such infrastructure wasn't a new idea, even in the second half of the nineteenth century. As the old joke goes, "Why did Napolean plant trees along the French highways?"

"So the Germans could march in the shade".

 

[bilby]

As a colony,

You're still a colony?

Our head of state is King Charles III, so I am going to go with "yes".

By that standard, England is a colony too.

(Of Scotland -- Charles III is only King because he's the heir of James VI. )

Indeed. I have frequently told* SNP supporters that it is England that should be seeking devolution from the Scottish crown.

*From a safe distance, obviously.

 

[Bomb#20]

He painted them not as victims but as aggressors, linking them to mass shootings and "perversion," even though the evidence runs the opposite direction.

I'll be much surprised if you can produce said evidence running in the opposite direction re "perversion", since "perversion" is an entirely subjective pejorative. Re mass shootings, do you mean something like Elixir's Perplexity emission, "transgender people are much more likely to be victims of violence than perpetrators"? That's true of pretty much any demographic, since one perpetrator typically has many victims.

Trans people are probably under-represented, but certainly not over-represented as mass shooters.

Few Mass Shooters Have Been Transgender - FactCheck.org

Q: Have many of the mass shooters been transgender? A: The number of transgender mass shooters in the U.S. varies depending on how “mass shooting” is defined, but is relatively small. The Gun Violence Archive, which uses a broader definition, lists five mass shootings by transgender or...

www.factcheck.org

Your link certainly doesn't show they're certainly not over-represented -- its numbers are way too ambiguous to get certainty from. Some obvious problems jump out at me.

The Violence Prevention Project at Hamline University defines a mass shooting as “four or more people shot and killed, excluding the shooter, in a public location, with no connection to underlying criminal activity, such as gangs or drugs.” By that more restrictive measure, the project’s mass shooter database identifies 201 mass shooters between 1966 and 2024, and only one of them – Audrey Hale, the 2023 Nashville school shooting suspect – was transgender ...
He said of the 201 mass shooters in the database, “196 (97.5%) are cisgender men,” “4 (2.0%) are cisgender women,” and “1 (0.5%) is a transgender individual.”
​

196 + 4 + 1 = 201. I.e., zero are men or women of unknown gender identity. In statistics going back to 1966! We're supposed to seriously believe that the cops who arrested a mass shooter in 1966, when transgenderism was barely in the public consciousness and most trans people were as deeply closeted as gays were, took care to thoroughly investigate and record whether the perp thought of himself as a woman? There's no plausible deniability here -- the VPP is plainly simply taking for granted that if they don't know a shooter is trans then he's cis.

Also, if we take the numbers at face-value it would mean the 1% of biological females who are transmen account for 20% of the mass shootings committed by females, suggesting being trans makes a female twenty times more likely to commit a mass shooting. That's implausibly high -- it immediately raises the question of whether Hale was taking testosterone supplements as gender-affirming care. The article doesn't say. If she was, it would seem much more likely she went out of control due to testosterone poisoning than due to being trans.

The Gun Violence Archive, an independent organization that tracks gun-related violence in the U.S., defines mass shootings as incidents in which there are “a minimum of four victims shot, either injured or killed, not including any shooter who may also have been killed or injured in the incident.” Under this standard, there were 5,748 mass shootings between Jan. 1, 2013, and Sept. 15, 2025, according to the GVA. “OF THAT NUMBER OF INCIDENTS, there have been FIVE CONFIRMED Transgender shooters,” ...
​

I.e., there average about four hundred and fifty mass shootings a year. The VPP's definition says three and a half -- over a hundred times fewer. Can't tell from the link just how much of the difference is due to one definition counting wounded and the other only counting killed, but it's clear from other sources that those 450 annual mass shootings are heavily dominated by drug and gang violence. I don't think I'm going out on much of a limb to point out that gang culture and drug dealer culture are macho as all hell. They might not be the most welcoming spaces for an out-of-the-closet transwoman. To the extent that transwomen are excluded and/or put off by the culture and therefore aren't in gangs, or stay in the closet when they join so the police don't find out they're trans when they participate in shootings, their contribution to the statistics is artificially depressed.

Bottom line: there are too many confounding factors. Anybody who claims to know whether being trans makes you more or less inclined to commit a mass shooting, or has no effect either way, is overestimating his ability to extract signal from noise.

 

[Jarhyn]

L

Look, she clearly doesn't care that Trump is a child Rapist, that he walked in on beauty pageants contestants in various states of undress, or that some of those contestants were children.

She doesn't care that there is photographic evidence of Trump around a pool with very young and scantily clad girls.

She doesn't care that Epstien recruited underage girls already in Trump's employment.

Obviously, none of that other stuff could possibly be MORE compromising than a pee tape.

Of course, "the pee tape" is probably not an actual tape of someone getting peed on, it's likely photos of Trump banging a 13 year old. The "pee tape" is a fanciful interpretation of what the mystery kompromat is, a euphemism, somehow, because the reality is assuredly far worse than a golden shower clip.

Dude, not helping here.

Not helping WHAT?
Russia’s kompromat has outlived its expiration date. Pooterz can try all he wants to defame Trump, and all Donny has to do is say “nuh-uh” and his idiots will be satisfied.

That depends. He's been married to a Russian asset for a while now and is a blithering idiot who stored nuclear documents in a broom closet.

I expect that Putin has his own annotated copies of whatever documents were generated from the Child trafficking stuff. Maybe even the whole of the Epstein Files.

So what? We already have sexual assault, rape, fraud(34x), insurrection, etc etc etc.
why would what Pootey has to offer make one bit of difference?

Actual proof that can't be tossed as mere she-said/he-denied.

Eventually, the train is going to derail, and there will be consequences.

Maybe I'm wrong; I sure hope not, but maybe it wouldn't matter...

Of course there's always Plan B with Russia ala Defenestration.

 

[Elixir]

Actual proof that can't be tossed as mere she-said/he-denied.

Bwahahaha!!
Like WHAT?
Smoking guns? ”Not mine!”
Signed documents? “Fake news!”
Dead bodies? “I don’t know who done it!”
Piles of stolen top secret documents stashed in his bathrooms? Oh, right…
THERE IS NO PROOF THAT CANNOT BE TOSSED. I thought that was common knowledge.
Defenestration, 2A “solutions” etc are still on the table but Jabba the Hutt has deepening phalanx of centurion thugs surrounding him.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

There was more noise in Jarhyn's post than on FM Radio.

That might be a point, if you had said AM radio.

I listen to prog rock, so the FM dial is mostly just unpleasant noise to me.

 

[Elixir]

I listen to prog rock

Ooookay. Had to look it up.
“Progressive rock stars” returned a short list of what I’d call Classic Rock with Pink Floyd at the top.
It suggested “modern prog” and listed four I never heard of. Pineapple Thief sounds vaguely familiar, but Mars Volta, Porcupine Tree … most on their list of 20 like sound like random words.
Are you listening to mod prog or classic?

 

[Toni]

The thing that girls and women need to learn is how to stand up to bullies.

Yeah, all those women who are sexually assaulted and raped every year, they just need to learn how to stand up to their attackers. It's their own fault for not being strong enough.

I never said it was their fault. I said that all of us women need to learn how to stand up to bullies because in the majority of cases it weakens the bully and stop his aggression. Look at Trump for example. All of those who have stood up to him are doing better compared to those who gave in to his demands. Once you give in to a bully, they want more and more and more. I wan't only talking about sexual assault. I was talking about all kinds of bullying. My late father never tried to sexually assault his daughters, but he was a bully and I'm the one who stood up to him and told him off. It worked. It worked when I shamed the man who threatened to rape me. It worked when I've told nasty doctors off etc. It might not always work, but it's the best defense we women have, so we can at least learn or train ourselves to do that. We can also take self defense courses. I've never done that but one is offered at our senior center. There are many things women can to do to help us stay safe.

I recall when one of my female high school teachers told us that the one thing a bad man is afraid of is a bad woman. She told us how she had scared off a man who had threatened to assault her. I don't remember all of the details as I was in high school in the mid 60s, but what she told us had a lot of truth in it.

No offense Emily, but you often have a way of misinterpreting what another posters writes. Of course, it's never the woman's fault if someone attacks her. I'm just encouraging us all to learn how to ward off the bullies, as it usually works. I'll leave it at that.

Not everyone is strong or brave. There are plenty of people who will not want to further antagonize their bully or attacker for fear that any kind of aggressive resistance will serve to incur greater harm. I extend my sympathies especially to a victim of sexual assault and/or rape, and even more especially to women, who are typically not as physically strong as a man. I can easily understand them not resisting to any great extent, for fear of severe injury, or death.

I can see why, ideally speaking, it's good advice to suggest that people should stand up to bullies, but realistically, it could also get someone killed.

I am NOT saying that people being abused, assaulted, or raped should just shut up, do nothing, and take it meekly. Just saying people are different in how they react under stress in extreme situations.

Most people are flight or fight but for some people, it’s freeze. Something else women and girls and presumably most or all rape victims have going against them is surprise. Fir victims, or at least in my case, assaults seem to come out of nowhere, and happen in places you have no reason not to feel safe and often from people you never thought to fear or be wary of.