Chicago makes more thug families millionaires

[laughing dog]

When you add 2 +2 do you normally end up with a non-sequitur?

How is it a non-sequitur? Chicago has a huge problem with violent crime, but the city council focuses on vilifying police and enriching the families of said violent criminals.

Ignoring your unsubstantiated claims about what the city council focuses on, the problem of violent crime is not caused by your claims. Duh.

The priorities of the powers that be are back-assward. Of course, the left wing authoritarians think that lefty city councils can do no wrong.

I suppose that has as much truth as bigoted kneejerk worshippers of the police think that city councils can do nothing right.

 

[Derec]

Ignoring your unsubstantiated claims about what the city council focuses on,

The substantiation is in them paying 6 million USD to enrich two thug families and their shysters.

the problem of violent crime is not caused by your claims. Duh.

I did not say that. But it is certainly not helped by it. Quite the contrary. It is very counterproductive. Ferguson effect on steroids.

I suppose that has as much truth as bigoted kneejerk worshippers of the police think that city councils can do nothing right.

Well I am neither a "bigoted kneejerk worshipper[sic] of the police" nor do I think Chicago City Council can do no right. I am sure they some good and plenty of ok things. But vilifying police and wasting money on enriching families of thugs is neither. Especially when there are no charges filed in regard to either shooting.

 

[laughing dog]

The substantiation is in them paying 6 million USD to enrich two thug families and their shysters.

Very poor reasoning since that does not indicate anything about the focus of the city council

I did not say that. But it is certainly not helped by it. Quite the contrary. It is very counterproductive. Ferguson effect on steroids.

Another unsubstantiated claim. You are really are only fooling yourself.

Well I am neither a "bigoted kneejerk worshipper[sic] of the police" nor do I think Chicago City Council can do no right. I am sure they some good and plenty of ok things. But vilifying police and wasting money on enriching families of thugs is neither. Especially when there are no charges filed in regard to either shooting.

You are really are only fooling yourself.

 

[ZiprHead]

Justice Department report rips Chicago police for excessive force, lax discipline, bad training

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Justice Department report rips Chicago police for excessive force, lax discipline, bad training

The report hammered hard at how officers fail to de-escalate tense situations, often resulting in shootings that were avoidable and unnecessarily endangered officers as well. The Justice Department ripped officials responsible for investigating police shootings and other uses of force for failing to hold officers accountable or issue meaningful discipline.

The report cited a pervasive "code of silence" that leads officers to lie to protect themselves and colleagues. Disciplinary authorities, in turn, have rarely brought cases against officers who lied, even when their statements were contradicted by video, while officers are almost never held accountable for even the worst shootings, it found.

Although the vast majority of the report was critical of the police, it also suggested that officers were victims of a sort — desperate for change but poorly served by a lack of training that often put them in harm's way.

[...]

Justice Department officials tracked the Police Department's problems all the way to the police academy, where officers learn to be police but end up shooting people who pose no threat and using a Taser on people who simply didn't follow spoken commands.

The report criticized use-of-force training at the academy, noting that Justice Department investigators observed a training video made decades before that "was inconsistent with both current law and CPD's own policies." When officials spoke to recent academy graduates, only 1 in 6 "came close to properly articulating the legal standard for use of force."

The report said that while Emanuel has widely expanded the department's stock of Tasers, too many officers have been run through training programs too quickly, "without proper curriculum, staff or equipment." As a result, according to the report, many officers are "uncomfortable with how to use Tasers effectively as a less-lethal force option — the very skill the training was supposed to teach."

This is pretty much exactly what a lot of us have been saying for a couple of years now.

 

[Derec]

Justice Department report rips Chicago police for excessive force, lax discipline, bad training

How does that have anything to do with the fact that the families of these two thugs (one a violent carjacker, the other a career criminal who hit and dragged a cop during a traffic stop) do not deserve the millions the City of Chicago stupidly gave them?

 

[Bronzeage]

Justice Department report rips Chicago police for excessive force, lax discipline, bad training

How does that have anything to do with the fact that the families of these two thugs (one a violent carjacker, the other a career criminal who hit and dragged a cop during a traffic stop) do not deserve the millions the City of Chicago stupidly gave them?

This is what it costs when a city tolerates an incompetent police department. This is a good example of free market economic forces in action. Chicago could have used that money to better train policemen and pay higher wages to attract more qualified personnel, but they chose to use excessive force, lax discipline, and bad training instead. The results are now seen.

As strange as it may seem, but if a person expects to be beaten by a policeman, it's much more likely they will try to escape or resist arrest. I know it's unfortunate that thugs(or their survivors) get a big wad of money, but perhaps the Chicago police department could shoot a few middle class white people, to even things out.

 

[laughing dog]

Justice Department report rips Chicago police for excessive force, lax discipline, bad training

How does that have anything to do with the fact that the families of these two thugs (one a violent carjacker, the other a career criminal who hit and dragged a cop during a traffic stop) do not deserve the millions the City of Chicago stupidly gave them?

There is no objective evidence that the families do not deserve the award nor that the City of Chicago was stupid in giving it to them.

 

[Derec]

This is what it costs when a city tolerates an incompetent police department.

The much bigger problem is that the citizens of Chicago tolerate an incompetent city council.

This is a good example of free market economic forces in action.

Government giving away money to undeserving people is the exact opposite of "free market economic forces in action".

Chicago could have used that money to better train policemen and pay higher wages to attract more qualified personnel, but they chose to use excessive force, lax discipline, and bad training instead. The results are now seen.

While there were some cases of unjustified shootings in Chicago, these two are definitely not. And thus they should not have been given millions no matter what else might have been going on in other, unrelated, cases. Again, one of them beat up and carjacked a guy, then fled with

As strange as it may seem, but if a person expects to be beaten by a policeman, it's much more likely they will try to escape or resist arrest.

If somebody is guilty of, say, a violent carjacking, one is much more likely to flee from police. That does not mean their family deserves to get rich just because their thug relative got shot.

I know it's unfortunate that thugs(or their survivors) get a big wad of money, but perhaps the Chicago police department could shoot a few middle class white people, to even things out.

And there it is in nutshell. The Left does not care about what people do, just about race and socioeconomic status. Police should kill more white and middle class people because to a leftist unequal outcomes are not fair. No matter that middle class whites are not very likely to put themselves in situations where they are likely to be justifiably shot by police.
There are 100s of murders in Chicago, yet the politicians respond by demonizing police and vilifying them for making split-second decisions that cost violent thugs their lives. If you don't behave like Chatman and Pinex behaved your chances of getting shot by police are infinitesimal, no matter your skin color. But if you are a violent thug like these two your families should not become rich just because you got shot by police.

 

[Elixir]

Justice Department report rips Chicago police for excessive force, lax discipline, bad training

How does that have anything to do with the fact that the families of these two thugs (one a violent carjacker, the other a career criminal who hit and dragged a cop during a traffic stop) do not deserve the millions the City of Chicago stupidly gave them?

So it's only about your jealousy. Why not go to Chicago and get yourself beaten up a little, and make yourself a thug millionaire? Just think of all the hookers you could afford. Better do it quick though, before the pressures created by these awards cause Chicago Police to be harder to goad into millionaire-maker activities.

 

[Bronzeage]

The much bigger problem is that the citizens of Chicago tolerate an incompetent city council.

This is a good example of free market economic forces in action.

Government giving away money to undeserving people is the exact opposite of "free market economic forces in action".

Chicago could have used that money to better train policemen and pay higher wages to attract more qualified personnel, but they chose to use excessive force, lax discipline, and bad training instead. The results are now seen.

While there were some cases of unjustified shootings in Chicago, these two are definitely not. And thus they should not have been given millions no matter what else might have been going on in other, unrelated, cases. Again, one of them beat up and carjacked a guy, then fled with

As strange as it may seem, but if a person expects to be beaten by a policeman, it's much more likely they will try to escape or resist arrest.

If somebody is guilty of, say, a violent carjacking, one is much more likely to flee from police. That does not mean their family deserves to get rich just because their thug relative got shot.

I know it's unfortunate that thugs(or their survivors) get a big wad of money, but perhaps the Chicago police department could shoot a few middle class white people, to even things out.

And there it is in nutshell. The Left does not care about what people do, just about race and socioeconomic status. Police should kill more white and middle class people because to a leftist unequal outcomes are not fair. No matter that middle class whites are not very likely to put themselves in situations where they are likely to be justifiably shot by police.
There are 100s of murders in Chicago, yet the politicians respond by demonizing police and vilifying them for making split-second decisions that cost violent thugs their lives. If you don't behave like Chatman and Pinex behaved your chances of getting shot by police are infinitesimal, no matter your skin color. But if you are a violent thug like these two your families should not become rich just because you got shot by police.

Derec, you seem to have a problem with chickens and eggs. A city with an incompetent police force will have 100's of murders. When the total population of Chicago is considered, the chances of anyone being shot by a policeman are infinitesimal. That's not the point. The Chicago Police Department does not do a good job. It's costing the City of Chicago a lot of money. That's free market economics.

Are you advocating some kind of fascist solution?

 

[LordKiran]

How does that have anything to do with the fact that the families of these two thugs (one a violent carjacker, the other a career criminal who hit and dragged a cop during a traffic stop) do not deserve the millions the City of Chicago stupidly gave them?

So it's only about your jealousy. Why not go to Chicago and get yourself beaten up a little, and make yourself a thug millionaire? Just think of all the hookers you could afford. Better do it quick though, before the pressures created by these awards cause Chicago Police to be harder to goad into millionaire-maker activities.

Yes and no. Derec's concern isn't really a matter of 'justice prevailing' its that Derec balks at the thought of inner city 'thugs' getting one over on 'his people'.

 

[laughing dog]

So it's only about your jealousy. Why not go to Chicago and get yourself beaten up a little, and make yourself a thug millionaire? Just think of all the hookers you could afford. Better do it quick though, before the pressures created by these awards cause Chicago Police to be harder to goad into millionaire-maker activities.

Yes and no. Derec's concern isn't really a matter of 'justice prevailing' its that Derec balks at the thought of inner city 'thugs' getting one over on 'his people'.

And by "getting over" he means getting themselves killed.

 

[LordKiran]

Yes and no. Derec's concern isn't really a matter of 'justice prevailing' its that Derec balks at the thought of inner city 'thugs' getting one over on 'his people'.

And by "getting over" he means getting themselves killed.

Nah not really. In his mind, the 'thugs' are playing the system and using the white man's compassion and magnanimous benevolence against them to strike it rich as it plays into the 'bleeding heart liberal' narrative.

 

[Derec]

So it's only about your jealousy.

No, it's about wasting public money and rewarding thuggish behavior.

Why not go to Chicago and get yourself beaten up a little, and make yourself a thug millionaire?

Well these two geniuses got themselves killed with their thug life. It's their survivors who get to cash out.
Second, as a white man I would not be looked at sympathetically by the city council. They do not hand out millions to white thugs who get shot by police.

Just think of all the hookers you could afford.

Alas, dead men spend no money.

 

[Derec]

Derec, you seem to have a problem with chickens and eggs. A city with an incompetent police force will have 100's of murders.

Or a city with an incompetent government which sides with thugs over police and generally tries everything in their power to make police work more difficult.

The Chicago Police Department does not do a good job.

They have one hand tied behind their back. If they do more policing of high-crime neighborhoods they get accused of being an "occupying force" and face vilification every time they shoot a criminal, even when justified. That is the fault of the city government which does not have the police department's back. City hall and police headquarters ought to be on the same side when it comes to fighting crime.

It's costing the City of Chicago a lot of money. That's free market economics.

Again, the city council giving away money to families of thugs is not free market economics. What bizarro copy of Adam Smith did you read?

Are you advocating some kind of fascist solution?

City not taking the side of thugs and not paying money for shootings that were justified is not "fascist".

 

[Bronzeage]

Or a city with an incompetent government which sides with thugs over police and generally tries everything in their power to make police work more difficult.

The Chicago Police Department does not do a good job.

They have one hand tied behind their back. If they do more policing of high-crime neighborhoods they get accused of being an "occupying force" and face vilification every time they shoot a criminal, even when justified. That is the fault of the city government which does not have the police department's back. City hall and police headquarters ought to be on the same side when it comes to fighting crime.

It's costing the City of Chicago a lot of money. That's free market economics.

Again, the city council giving away money to families of thugs is not free market economics. What bizarro copy of Adam Smith did you read?

Are you advocating some kind of fascist solution?

City not taking the side of thugs and not paying money for shootings that were justified is not "fascist".

It's really simple, so I'll say it one more time. Chicago has a bad police department and the taxpayers of the city are bearing the cost.

Do you think the City just gives the money away. They know that if the case goes to court, not only will the award be even greater, they will have to expose the ineptitude and corruption of their police department. They have made a sound economic decision. If the police were better trained and better disciplined, these awards would not be so common.

There are plenty of shootings which did not result in an award to anyone. Allowing the police to shoot a citizen and then be immune because their job is so difficult is a foundation of fascism.

 

[Arctish]

While there were some cases of unjustified shootings in Chicago, these two are definitely not.

Darius Pinex case: Police Account of Fatal Shooting Unravels Amid Cover-up Allegations. The cops lied and the city attorney who defended them in the first trial admitted under oath he failed to turn over key evidence to the plaintiffs. The city would have lost the suit, so it settled.

Cedrick Chatman case: City Reaches Tentative Settlement In Wrongful Death Suit because, contrary to what you've read at those truthy sites you visit, justification for the shooting is lacking. The video evidence does not show Chatman menacing or threatening the cops in any way, and the decision to shoot him put passers-by in extreme danger. The cops were reckless, there's no evidence that supports their claims, and the city would have lost that suit, too.

 

[ZiprHead]

Stop inserting facts into a Derec anti-black thread. You're harshing his buzz.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

No, it's about wasting public money and rewarding thuggish behavior.

I agree they should not reward the police for this behavior.

Why not go to Chicago and get yourself beaten up a little, and make yourself a thug millionaire?

Well these two geniuses got themselves killed with their thug life. It's their survivors who get to cash out.

Well they were not rewarded then. Case closed.