Chris Christie: I would track immigrants like FedEx packages

[maxparrish]

Good gosh, such over-baked hobgoblinization. Certain classes of foreign visitors and guest workers are not being treated like cattle, they are being required to carry electronic documentation in a tiny packet on their (in their) person. But rather than carry a passport or visa, they carry a tiny chip. For example:

People have already 'treated themselves like cattle' and experimented with hypo injection just beneath the skin, the first one done over 10 years ago.

Thousands of technology enthusiasts use it as the ultimate app, enabling them to lock and unlock their homes, cars, computers and mobile phones with a simple wave of a hand. But there’s a catch: they must have a microchip inserted into their bodies.

The idea may seem weird, and painful, but human microchipping appears to appeal not only to amateurs, who call themselves biohackers, but also to governments, police forces, medical authorities and security companies.

It involves using a hypodermic needle to inject an RFID (radio-frequency identification) microchip, the size of a grain of rice, usually into the person’s hand or wrist. The same kind of chip is used for tracking lost pets.

http://topinfopost.com/2014/04/17/injecting-under-your-skin-human-microchipping

I am rather surprised that an otherwise technology sympathetic forum are so old fashioned and near-luddite when it comes to these new devices. For all the wailing and gnashing, it is a modern and logical means to track visitors and guest workers, done for the sole purpose of making sure they go home when their visa expires; it is actually a rather nifty option.

There is no harm to the foreign person, other than a bit of self-important huffy indignity over not being trusted (and possible resentment that they may have to go home).

Except, if the guest worker doesn't want to leave it would be rather easy to block the signal or have the chip removed. It's good for tracking a willing participant, but not someone who doesn't want to be tracked.

Unless of course, you make the chip mandatory for everyone and scan it everywhere. Then whoever doesn't belong is easy to spot.

Good point. However, I doubt their is an easy, consistent, or convenient method of blocking the signal (you must buy a larger jammer to wear). And at least once a signal disappears or VISA expires, the persons last known location would be recorded (as well as an alert to local authorities to initiate apprehension).

 

[fromderinside]

Good point. However, I doubt their is an easy, consistent, or convenient method of blocking the signal (you must buy a larger jammer to wear). And at least once a signal disappears or VISA expires, the persons last known location would be recorded (as well as an alert to local authorities to initiate apprehension).

Require genetic sample with every order for a cell phone and provide a cell phone for every immigrant. Don't think the migrant would want to be without basic communication in 'merica. Put the load on provider.

 

[arkirk]

Good point. However, I doubt their is an easy, consistent, or convenient method of blocking the signal (you must buy a larger jammer to wear). And at least once a signal disappears or VISA expires, the persons last known location would be recorded (as well as an alert to local authorities to initiate apprehension).

Require genetic sample with every order for a cell phone and provide a cell phone for every immigrant. Don't think the migrant would want to be without basic communication in 'merica. Put the load on provider.

What is this about? At least Max is still in the security state mode. The numbers of new would be illegal immigrants are on the decline. Leave it to Max and Trump to jump on a non problem with both feet, beat their chest and declare themselves our silverbacks. Implants, identification tattoos, these things serve only one purpose....tyranny. Whether it is Trump or big rump these people need someone to deride and abuse and promote hate against or they disappear from the scene. They offer NOTHING OF VALUE TO OUR SOCIETY. Perhaps THEY NEED TO BE FITTED WITH MICROCHIPS.

 

[Jayjay]

Good gosh, such over-baked hobgoblinization. Certain classes of foreign visitors and guest workers are not being treated like cattle, they are being required to carry electronic documentation in a tiny packet on their (in their) person. But rather than carry a passport or visa, they carry a tiny chip. For example:

People have already 'treated themselves like cattle' and experimented with hypo injection just beneath the skin, the first one done over 10 years ago.

Thousands of technology enthusiasts use it as the ultimate app, enabling them to lock and unlock their homes, cars, computers and mobile phones with a simple wave of a hand. But there’s a catch: they must have a microchip inserted into their bodies.

The idea may seem weird, and painful, but human microchipping appears to appeal not only to amateurs, who call themselves biohackers, but also to governments, police forces, medical authorities and security companies.

It involves using a hypodermic needle to inject an RFID (radio-frequency identification) microchip, the size of a grain of rice, usually into the person’s hand or wrist. The same kind of chip is used for tracking lost pets.

http://topinfopost.com/2014/04/17/injecting-under-your-skin-human-microchipping

I am rather surprised that an otherwise technology sympathetic forum are so old fashioned and near-luddite when it comes to these new devices. For all the wailing and gnashing, it is a modern and logical means to track visitors and guest workers, done for the sole purpose of making sure they go home when their visa expires; it is actually a rather nifty option.

There is no harm to the foreign person, other than a bit of self-important huffy indignity over not being trusted (and possible resentment that they may have to go home).

Except, if the guest worker doesn't want to leave it would be rather easy to block the signal or have the chip removed. It's good for tracking a willing participant, but not someone who doesn't want to be tracked.

Unless of course, you make the chip mandatory for everyone and scan it everywhere. Then whoever doesn't belong is easy to spot.

Good point. However, I doubt their is an easy, consistent, or convenient method of blocking the signal (you must buy a larger jammer to wear). And at least once a signal disappears or VISA expires, the persons last known location would be recorded (as well as an alert to local authorities to initiate apprehension).

RFID is pretty trivial to block, and it can't really be used to tell a person's location except where it was last scanned. Unless you have some scheme where these scans happen pretty much everywhere (say, every morning at work, or going to grocery store, or using an ATM, or...) it's hardly helpful in locating a person. But that would mean that you'd have to scan everyone, and implant chips on law-abiding citizens as well, not just migrant workers.

 

[Jayjay]

What is this about? At least Max is still in the security state mode. The numbers of new would be illegal immigrants are on the decline. Leave it to Max and Trump to jump on a non problem with both feet, beat their chest and declare themselves our silverbacks. Implants, identification tattoos, these things serve only one purpose....tyranny. Whether it is Trump or big rump these people need someone to deride and abuse and promote hate against or they disappear from the scene. They offer NOTHING OF VALUE TO OUR SOCIETY. Perhaps THEY NEED TO BE FITTED WITH MICROCHIPS.

I for one think that everyone should be fitted with microchips.

 

[arkirk]

Good gosh, such over-baked hobgoblinization. Certain classes of foreign visitors and guest workers are not being treated like cattle, they are being required to carry electronic documentation in a tiny packet on their (in their) person. But rather than carry a passport or visa, they carry a tiny chip. For example:

People have already 'treated themselves like cattle' and experimented with hypo injection just beneath the skin, the first one done over 10 years ago.

Thousands of technology enthusiasts use it as the ultimate app, enabling them to lock and unlock their homes, cars, computers and mobile phones with a simple wave of a hand. But there’s a catch: they must have a microchip inserted into their bodies.

The idea may seem weird, and painful, but human microchipping appears to appeal not only to amateurs, who call themselves biohackers, but also to governments, police forces, medical authorities and security companies.

It involves using a hypodermic needle to inject an RFID (radio-frequency identification) microchip, the size of a grain of rice, usually into the person’s hand or wrist. The same kind of chip is used for tracking lost pets.

http://topinfopost.com/2014/04/17/injecting-under-your-skin-human-microchipping

I am rather surprised that an otherwise technology sympathetic forum are so old fashioned and near-luddite when it comes to these new devices. For all the wailing and gnashing, it is a modern and logical means to track visitors and guest workers, done for the sole purpose of making sure they go home when their visa expires; it is actually a rather nifty option.

There is no harm to the foreign person, other than a bit of self-important huffy indignity over not being trusted (and possible resentment that they may have to go home).

Except, if the guest worker doesn't want to leave it would be rather easy to block the signal or have the chip removed. It's good for tracking a willing participant, but not someone who doesn't want to be tracked.

Unless of course, you make the chip mandatory for everyone and scan it everywhere. Then whoever doesn't belong is easy to spot.

Good point. However, I doubt their is an easy, consistent, or convenient method of blocking the signal (you must buy a larger jammer to wear). And at least once a signal disappears or VISA expires, the persons last known location would be recorded (as well as an alert to local authorities to initiate apprehension).

RFID is pretty trivial to block, and it can't really be used to tell a person's location except where it was last scanned. Unless you have some scheme where these scans happen pretty much everywhere (say, every morning at work, or going to grocery store, or using an ATM, or...) it's hardly helpful in locating a person. But that would mean that you'd have to scan everyone, and implant chips on law-abiding citizens as well, not just migrant workers.

The very fact they are thinking about using some merchandise tracking device on human beings means they are thinking of human beings (the darker colored ones and those who might be Muslim regardless of their color) as if THEY were merchandise. RFID devices are extremely local and not very directional. They are ID devices, not tracking devices. So that means the people have to be herded through scanning locations where the "illegal" ones can be culled out and sent back to the hell they came from....Nice guys the Christies and Trumps!

 

[bilby]

Maxparrish is right - the government should be able to do whatever is necessary to achieve control and nobody should let trivial ideas such as freedom stand in the way of it. Joe Stalin had the right idea - the government always knows best, and the people must obey or suffer the consequences. Stalin lacked the technology, but Maxparrish has correctly identified that a solution now exists, and freedom can finally be crushed once and for all.

 

[Jayjay]

Chris Christie clarifies his FedEx comment...

It turns out the hawkish presidential contender does not want to treat people like FedEx packages, as he suggested at a campaign event on Saturday. Rather, Christie said, he would track people who overstayed their visas using existing biometric technology -- or their fingerprints.

(...)

Christie said he envisioned a system similar to the one that law enforcement authorities use to track criminals by their fingerprints. The proposed system would issue a red flag if someone with an expired visa used their ID to rent a car or take a flight, for example.

Everyone entering the country is already subject to having their fingerprints taken. So what's left is making it mandatory to scan fingerprints of anyone taking a flight or rents a car. Not that it would do squat to stop people who don't fly or rent cars, but even then, I wonder how many republicans would be willing to go ahead with this plan? And to make it more effective, how about checking fingerprints when you are buying a gun, for example?

 

[arkirk]

No, I am arguing that I know of no study or paper that says that because of illegals the price of veggies is substantively cheaper as opposed to relying on legal workers. Of course wages will tend to be a little higher without illegals (at least until temporary legal worker quotas are raised); but there is no proof that added cost is great enough to have a substantive impact on prices (and one must remember that 1/2 our non-grain food is imported).

That is what happens when it is done under the table. I am sure glad you don't run things. Christie style tyranny is unacceptable. They start with the foreigners and it spreads throughout society with all kinds of minorities...maybe even Maxes!

 

[bilby]

Chris Christie clarifies his FedEx comment...

It turns out the hawkish presidential contender does not want to treat people like FedEx packages, as he suggested at a campaign event on Saturday. Rather, Christie said, he would track people who overstayed their visas using existing biometric technology -- or their fingerprints.

(...)

Christie said he envisioned a system similar to the one that law enforcement authorities use to track criminals by their fingerprints. The proposed system would issue a red flag if someone with an expired visa used their ID to rent a car or take a flight, for example.

Everyone entering the country is already subject to having their fingerprints taken. So what's left is making it mandatory to scan fingerprints of anyone taking a flight or rents a car. Not that it would do squat to stop people who don't fly or rent cars, but even then, I wonder how many republicans would be willing to go ahead with this plan? And to make it more effective, how about checking fingerprints when you are buying a gun, for example?

Now, steady on.

The other stuff? No drama. But you can't fingerprint people who are buying guns; That would be an infringement on people's freedom.

 

[blastula]

New Jersey’s governor, Chris Christie, said on Saturday he would combat illegal immigration by tracking foreign visitors like FedEx packages.

Christie, who is well back in the pack seeking the Republican nomination for president, told a campaign event in the early-voting state of New Hampshire that, if elected president, he would ask FedEx’s chief executive officer, Fred Smith, to devise the tracking system.

And when Trump builds that wall encircling the US, he can use FedEx to deport them all since they have a lot of practice throwing things over fences.