Christianity Disproved?

[Rayschism]

i don't believe the core values of Christianity can be dispoved.

Only bits and pieces of it.

Currently we can not prove nor disprove the existence of a God.

But we can prove the existence of Jews in Israel because of archeologi9cal evidence.

But we can't prove the existence of Jesus. Or that he had supernatural powers of healing and exorcism.

But... we can prove that some of the other people did exist through archeological evidence.

Such as:



Anything else though can just be claimed and argued.

But claims and arguments can only be supported through facts and evidence.

 

[none]

It's worse than you are letting on

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

The same thing can be done with fiction of all kinds.

Are we to believe accounts of dragons are real because dragons have claws? Claws are certainly real, and legs, and wings and eyes, and scales, and tails, etc. And fire is certainly real, and animals are known to fly and make noise, and they have teeth.

But we know that dragons aren't real. The protagonist in the gospel tales is just another dragon.

 

[Learner]

The same thing can be done with fiction of all kinds.

Are we to believe accounts of dragons are real because dragons have claws? Claws are certainly real, and legs, and wings and eyes, and scales, and tails, etc. And fire is certainly real, and animals are known to fly and make noise, and they have teeth.

But we know that dragons aren't real. The protagonist in the gospel tales is just another dragon.

Perhaps if you were to understand that dragons is mentioned in all corners of the world in ancient times. (not fire dragons)

The clue here is: There wasn't a word" Dinosaur back then till Sir Richard Owen appeared in the 1800s.

 

[Keith&Co.]

i don't believe the core values of Christianity can be dispoved.

What would you say the core values of Christainity are, then?

And... After making this statement about 'values,' you list historical events and figures.

What would one core value of christainity be, and can it be proven or disproven? How would you go about proving or disproving it?

 

[Lion IRC]

If it's not possible to prove or disprove God then it's not possible to prove or disprove anything.

In fact I can apply the same skepticism to anything that bible skeptics / atheists apply to God.

Go on. Try me.
Make a supposed truth claim and watch me demand more and more evidence for that claim - every piece of which I shall immediately dismiss with phrases such as;

- That's not evidence
- That's a lie
- Videos can be faked
- That's hearsay
- I want to see it with my own eyes
- Those sources can't be trusted
- Repeatability and peer review are merely argumentum ad populam.

Yawn

 

[iolo]

i don't believe the core values of Christianity can be dispoved.

What would you say the core values of Christainity are, then?

And... After making this statement about 'values,' you list historical events and figures.

What would one core value of christainity be, and can it be proven or disproven? How would you go about proving or disproving it?

Sermon on the Mount - in modern terms, democratic socialism. The notion of God, like most things outside mathematics, can't be proved or disproved - it just seems extremely unlikely at the moment.

 

[ideologyhunter]

Prove to me that trolls, leprechauns, unicorns don't exist. If we can rationally state that these are imagined by men.........

 

[funinspace]

I think I'll just quote myself, as this is very close the below question of the historicity of Jesus particularly.

I like my three amigos: Possible; Plausible; Probable.

I find it hard to fathom that this purported Jesus 'dodged out of view' being more probable than being killed by the Romans or the Sanhedrin. What information would suggest that this is more plausible or probable? It is possible that Jesus is pure fabrication, with no grain of sand for the pearl. I find the purely fictitious Jesus less plausible than a basic story of a Jewish heretic/preacher making too much noise and then getting snuffed out by some authorities. What I don't find possible is that this Bible is God-breathed, and the Truth from alpha to omega. I don't find the various liberal Christian vaguely defined theologies plausible either, but they are at least possible (its hard to demonstrate falseness of a slippery pig).

 

[Bronzeage]

Prove to me that trolls, leprechauns, unicorns don't exist. If we can rationally state that these are imagined by men.........

The problem of proving a negative is well documented, while a single specimen of any mythical creature is enough to prove existence. We're still waiting on leprechauns and unicorns.

 

[PyramidHead]

Prove to me that trolls, leprechauns, unicorns don't exist. If we can rationally state that these are imagined by men.........

The problem of proving a negative is well documented, while a single specimen of any mythical creature is enough to prove existence. We're still waiting on leprechauns and unicorns.

And gods.

 

[Rayschism]

i don't believe the core values of Christianity can be dispoved.

What would you say the core values of Christainity are, then?

And... After making this statement about 'values,' you list historical events and figures.

What would one core value of christainity be, and can it be proven or disproven? How would you go about proving or disproving it?

The core values would be about the story of Jesus dying for our sins.

As far as part two, I have no way to know how to do that.

Sorry about that.

 

[Keith&Co.]

The core values would be about the story of Jesus dying for our sins.

So, all that would require would be to substantiate that
1) Jesus existed
2) Jesus' death met the requirements for a sacrifice
3) Sacrifices work
3)a) There is someone to sacrifice TO
4) That sin is a valid concept

Yes, it's probably hard to disprove that the death of one possibly-historical prophet had an impact on the possibly factual stain on my maybe-exists soul with implications on the alleged-disposition of that soul in the fairy-tale-afterlife possibilities.

On the other hand, why in the name of any randomly selected deity would I accept this wild-assed tale as being a valid story?

 

[blastula]

If it's not possible to prove or disprove God then it's not possible to prove or disprove anything.

In fact I can apply the same skepticism to anything that bible skeptics / atheists apply to God.

Go on. Try me.
Make a supposed truth claim and watch me demand more and more evidence for that claim - every piece of which I shall immediately dismiss with phrases such as;

- That's not evidence
- That's a lie
- Videos can be faked
- That's hearsay
- I want to see it with my own eyes
- Those sources can't be trusted
- Repeatability and peer review are merely argumentum ad populam.

Yawn

Are you saying God is only disbelieved because of denialism?

 

[Keith&Co.]

Are you saying God is only disbelieved because of denialism?

No, he's saying HE can deny everything, whether or not it's a justified denial, just to play a game of one-downs-manship.


Just trying to figure out why anyone would care that he did...?

 

[bilby]

Are you saying God is only disbelieved because of denialism?

No, he's saying HE can deny everything, whether or not it's a justified denial, just to play a game of one-downs-manship.


Just trying to figure out why anyone would care that he did...?

He's moving in a mysterious way.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

The problem of proving a negative is well documented, while a single specimen of any mythical creature is enough to prove existence. We're still waiting on leprechauns and unicorns.

And gods.

And Hebrews that come back to life after they're dead, and then fly away into the sky.

 

[Rayschism]

The core values would be about the story of Jesus dying for our sins.

So, all that would require would be to substantiate that
1) Jesus existed
2) Jesus' death met the requirements for a sacrifice
3) Sacrifices work
3)a) There is someone to sacrifice TO
4) That sin is a valid concept

Yes, it's probably hard to disprove that the death of one possibly-historical prophet had an impact on the possibly factual stain on my maybe-exists soul with implications on the alleged-disposition of that soul in the fairy-tale-afterlife possibilities.

On the other hand, why in the name of any randomly selected deity would I accept this wild-assed tale as being a valid story?

Accept is not the same as belief now, is it? And accepting it is not the same thing as faith. Or is it?

And just because a person can accept something, that does not necessarily mean that they will change themselves over it.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Accept is not the same as belief now, is it?

Well, no. If I can't accept it as anything but nonsense, I'm probably not going to believe it.

And accepting it is not the same thing as faith. Or is it?

I'd say they're tied together. You won't have faith in something you don't accept as a meaningful explanation.
Maybe as a working hypothesis. I had to push the 'I believe' button on the Lithium Bromide plant for quite a while before I understood it, then I could accept the explanations for its operation.

And just because a person can accept something, that does not necessarily mean that they will change themselves over it.

Well, no. Lumpenproletariat loves to believe that Jesus performed miracle healing, and to believe that this proves that believing in Jesus means you get to live forever, but he doesn't accept any of the behavioral strictures in scripture, having faith that only faith in Jesus' divinity is necessary for eternal life in Heaven.

 

[Underseer]

It's not our burden to disprove their truth claims anymore than it is our burden to disprove Vishnu, Allah, Thor, Bigfoot, elves, pixies, or alien visitation.

If someone claims something exists, then fails to prove that it does, then that person's claim should not be taken seriously.