Climate Change(d)?

[TSwizzle]

Steve, you sound like a child. “Waaaaaahhh Fox News waaaaah”. Why would anyone engage when this is the crap you respond with. You are clueless, absolutely clueless. What I will tell you is that I do not watch Fox News, never have, never will.

 

[steve_bank]

Steve, you sound like a child. “Waaaaaahhh Fox News waaaaah”. Why would anyone engage when this is the crap you respond with. You are clueless, absolutely clueless. What I will tell you is that I do not watch Fox News, never have, never will.

Weak attempt at turning the tables. FOX followers are a cult, there s no question. If FOX claims climate chnage is a hoax as they have done its cult like followers believe it.

Climate deniers are a cult, espousing fake news and myths not based on , like yourself.

Again a simple question.

Is continuously venting pollutants into our liinited atmosphere a good thing? Ask a conservative polticain climate denier and he or she will do he usual pivot to something else. Like the FOX commentators you know the answer, but will never publcally acknowlede it.

Your simplistic refrain of climate activists as a cult is a cult like repetition. Repeat it enough and you may actually believe it. That is Trunp's paradaugm. Repeat falsehods enou and others belive it. It is a very old tactic, which is what you are doing.

A characteristic of cults is repetition of simplistic mindless meaningless slogans to create a group identity. Cults usually find an enemy or antaginist to focus on enhancing group identity, us versus them.

Trump's make America great again slogan. Your cult claims.

 

[TSwizzle]

Weak attempt at turning the tables. FOX followers are a cult, there s no question. If FOX claims climate chnage is a hoax as they have done its cult like followers believe it.

I’m not attempting to turn tables. You’re howling at the moon fella. You’re banging on about Fox. You’re arguing with yourself, carry on.

 

[steve_bank]

Weak attempt at turning the tables. FOX followers are a cult, there s no question. If FOX claims climate chnage is a hoax as they have done its cult like followers believe it.

I’m not attempting to turn tables. You’re howling at the moon fella. You’re banging on about Fox. You’re arguing with yourself, carry on.

I learned politics in the corporate tech world. There is nothing you can throw out that I have not seen before. Condescension and patronization is water off a duck's back. Cherry picking references to make a point is obvious. Ad hominum attacks on climate change activists and not actually debating facts is blatant.

What I don't understand entirely is why you keep repeating the same cult claim, what do you think you will accomplish? Or are you just being a gadfly sticking it to those cultist activists?


Answer the question I asked. You are doing the political pivot to avoid answering a question.

 

[TSwizzle]

Oh ffs;



"Mother earth gets angry from time to time". Science baby!!

A cult, an end of times rapture like cult.

 

[steve_bank]

Oh ffs;



"Mother earth gets angry from time to time". Science baby!!

A cult, an end of times rapture like cult.

I know it ptobably mkes yu feel good. What do you think you are foing to accomplish with your posts? Obviiusly no one here takes you seriously.

More ad hom attacks on climate activists.

I will make yiu a deal. You say whether or not you think streming pollution into the air is a good thing or not and I will look at one of your link and respond to it.

 

[steve_bank]

The book Dune comes to mind. Extreme water conservation.

Thw development of the SW to where it is today was probaly always a house of cards.

Steep water cuts are coming for the Southwest as Colorado River shrinks and Lake Mead's level plummets

New mandatory water cuts are coming for the Colorado River. But they aren't enough to solve the West's water crisis.

www.cnn.com

CNN)An extraordinary drought in the West is drying up the Colorado River and draining the nation's largest reservoirs -- Lake Mead and Lake Powell. And amid the overuse of the river and the aridification of the region, the federal government is preparing to make mandatory water cuts and asking states to devise a plan to save the river basin.
Two major announcements could come Tuesday. The first is a forecast from the US Bureau of Reclamation that could trigger the first-ever Tier 2 water shortage for the Lower Colorado River Basin. The second is the bureau's next step in its demand that the seven states in the river basin come up with a way to voluntarily cut up to 25% of their water usage, or the federal government will do it for them.

Entsminger said other stakeholders that are hesitant to give up their water allotments need to accept a new reality: The river is running dry, and sacrifices must be made.
"It doesn't matter what can be agreed to because there's only so much water, and mother nature will figure this out at some point," he said. "At some point, there's just not water in the river channel."
The federal government has not often stepped in and taken control of water management plans from the states, but it has the authority to do so in the Lower Colorado River Basin -- which includes Arizona, southern Nevada and southern California. And experts told CNN the threat of federal action is something states will respond to.

 

[Elixir]

“the threat of federal action is something states will respond to”

Ya sure ya betcha. What are they going to do? Create more water? Firebomb federal buildings? Cry long and loudly in a really really shrill voice?

I’d bet on the last one.

 

[TSwizzle]

The book Dune comes to mind.

I vaguely remember the book or film. But in any event, planet earth is 70% (something like that) covered with water. The only reason Dune comes to your mind is because you are addicted to climate catastrophe porn.

 

[Politesse]

The book Dune comes to mind.

I vaguely remember the book or film. But in any event, planet earth is 70% (something like that) covered with water. The only reason Dune comes to your mind is because you are addicted to climate catastrophe porn.

If you remembered the book in more detail, you'd recall that Dune wasn't always a desert planet (nor did it continue to be as the series went on). Chemical interactions matter.

 

[steve_bank]

The book Dune comes to mind.

I vaguely remember the book or film. But in any event, planet earth is 70% (something like that) covered with water. The only reason Dune comes to your mind is because you are addicted to climate catastrophe porn.

In Dune water was reclaimed from dead bodies. Desert dwellers who wore full body suits that recycled sweat, liquid waste, and solid waste into drinking water.

California acknowledges desalination will not solve the problem. The demand is too high. As the quote in the link says, if we do not address it, nature will make the decisions for us.


Las Vegas and golf courses in the desert are probably not sustainable. Same with La.


tI is all about our cultural norm of maximum consumption, maximum growth, and maximum profit.


The logicl, sensible, and intelligent question regarding water a long ways back should have been what is a sustainable consumption of water with sadety margins margins for driughts.

 

[TSwizzle]

The logicl, sensible, and intelligent question regarding water a long ways back should have been what is a sustainable consumption of water with sadety margins margins for driughts.

Rather than plan for these things, California opted for a "high speed" rail project. Don't blame me, I didn't vote for it.

 

[TSwizzle]

If you remembered the book in more detail, you'd recall that Dune wasn't always a desert planet (nor did it continue to be as the series went on). Chemical interactions matter.

ffs It's still an imaginary planet. The Man Who Fell To Earth was better and had Bowie who is way cooler.

 

[Politesse]

If you remembered the book in more detail, you'd recall that Dune wasn't always a desert planet (nor did it continue to be as the series went on). Chemical interactions matter.

ffs It's still an imaginary planet.

Inspired by a real ecological situation in the town where the author was living at the time.

The far future setting, the magical sandworms, and the funk futurist feudal society are the fictional parts of the novel. Not the chemistry of salinated and non-salinated water, or the physics of precipitation. Those parts are real.

 

[steve_bank]

The logicl, sensible, and intelligent question regarding water a long ways back should have been what is a sustainable consumption of water with sadety margins margins for driughts.

Rather than plan for these things, California opted for a "high speed" rail project. Don't blame me, I didn't vote for it.

It is always somebody's else's fault.

We all tend to be blind consumers, we are conditioned to it.

 

[TSwizzle]

The logicl, sensible, and intelligent question regarding water a long ways back should have been what is a sustainable consumption of water with sadety margins margins for driughts.

Rather than plan for these things, California opted for a "high speed" rail project. Don't blame me, I didn't vote for it.

It is always somebody's else's fault.

You mean Trump and FOX News? That's your usual go to.

How much more rain should I expect in California now that Brandon has allocated so much money to fight climate change?

Oooft, it is a catastrophic 78f today in Santa Monica.

 

[steve_bank]

If you remembered the book in more detail, you'd recall that Dune wasn't always a desert planet (nor did it continue to be as the series went on). Chemical interactions matter.

ffs It's still an imaginary planet. The Man Who Fell To Earth was better and had Bowie who is way cooler.

The Dune desert dwellers were a drug culture as was the empire of the day. Certainly prescient on that. There was also a messianic religious thread, again current events. The best scifi of he period addressed real world issues that could not be directly addressed in the day. For example how Star Trek addressed racism.

Or in Foundatio Trilogy the cnetor of galactic empire was Trantor, a planet completely covreed in structures and metal except for a small green area restricted to the elite.

Frank Herbert - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I renumber Herbert was a dry land ecologist who lived in the desert.

To your point and my point to you we are living in a real world where there are real consequnces of a consumption economy and pollution.

The worse cae scenario might be mass American migrations whn there is not enough water to live in the SW.

Personally I think we should build a wall on Washington's southern border......we don't want those pesky Californians.

 

[TSwizzle]

To your point and my point to you we are living in a real world where there are real consequnces of a consumption economy and pollution.

No doubt but Dune? Laughable.

The worse cae scenario might be mass American migrations whn there is not enough water to live in the SW.

So why is California building a multi billion dollar "high speed" rail service if nobody is going to be living here?

Personally I think we should build a wall on Washington's southern border......we don't want those pesky Californians.

And get California to pay for it too no doubt. You're a very stable genius.

 

[steve_bank]

To the rest of the country Ca has always been emblematic of a decadent communicative excessive life style. Hence the term 'la la land'.

Climate change is upon us and the worse is yet to come. It is rwported tomato production is down in Ca due to temperature and lack of water. It will affect supply of tomatoes along with tomato sauce and ketchup.

Eventually it will likley spread to staples like beans, potatoes, and rice. Beef is already affected.

Th cult of unrestricted free market capitalism is doing us in. Republicans in congressare like like yourself , unable to give up their rigid ideology or even modify it. It is a cult that conservatives worship even when it cleary not working well for the entire country.

We desperately need a national energy polcy and a new grid that integrates nuclear and renewalable energy sources. The conservative mantra is let the market decide.

Herbert and Asimov probably based Dune nbd Foundation on observation and speculation to the future.
The Foundation story was about an empire i decline and a secret group working to soften the effects and shorten a dark age.

I knew somebody in the 80s whose brother hd work at the Idaho nuclear laboratory. They used to dump liquid waste on tye groi=und.

I had my lifeIf n asteroid was heading towards Seattle it wold not bother me much. If I were young today I woud be very worried about food, wtaer, and housing.

Up through the early 20th century being wealthy or well or well off meant having a good house, clean water on dmend, and good food grown on your peoperty.

Owning a condo or house in La or NYC no mater how much money you have means nothing when food and water dimishes.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The book Dune comes to mind.

I vaguely remember the book or film. But in any event, planet earth is 70% (something like that) covered with water. The only reason Dune comes to your mind is because you are addicted to climate catastrophe porn.

Earth has plenty of water. The problem is that most of it is salt water and converting salt water to fresh water at scale is expensive. Many places on Earth have a distinct lack of fresh water.