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[Underseer]

http://variety.com/2018/film/news/kristen-wiig-wonder-woman-2-cheetah-villain-1202712507/

Kristen Wiig in talks to play villain in Wonder Woman sequel.

I liked Kristen Wiig in The Martian and in Ghostbusters, but this illustrates why it's a bad idea that the movies keep killing off classic characters. Wonder Woman is an icon in comic books, but the truth is her rogues' gallery kind of sucks. Ares is the only villain most people remember.

I can remember that Cheetah is one of her other villains, but I can't honestly tell you anything about that villains background, her skills, or her powers. In fact I can't tell you much of anything except for her name and the fact that she looks like something furry porn fans would masturbate to.

I'll have to place faith in Patty Jenkins since I liked the first Wonder Woman movie so much.

But dang. Kristen Wiig as Cheetah? I don't even know if that's good or bad.

If the sequel is set in WW2, then having Ares return again would have been perfect.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Ya, I really don't see Kristen Wiig pulling off a viable supervillain. Sure, out of the box casting choices can work out, like when they inexplicably chose that guy who played the gay cowboy to be the new Joker, but this is the team which chose Jesse Eisenberg to be Lex Luthor, so maybe they should try being more conservative for a bit.

 

[KeepTalking]

It may be that you are not quite in tune with the current Wonder Woman comics. Cheetah has been featured heavily in WW in the Rebirth continuity. She is a very conflicted villain, who has been a friend and ally to Wonder Woman at points in their relationship, but ultimately feels betrayed by Wonder Woman. This could make for a very compelling story, if done right. That said, as much as I like Kirsten Wiig as a comedian, I am not sure how she would fit into this role. It doesn't seem like it is a done deal, however, so we will just have to wait and see.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Ya, I really don't see Kristen Wiig pulling off a viable supervillain. Sure, out of the box casting choices can work out, like when they inexplicably chose that guy who played the gay cowboy to be the new Joker, but this is the team which chose Jesse Eisenberg to be Lex Luthor, so maybe they should try being more conservative for a bit.

I thought Eisenberg did a great job of playing Heath Ledger playing The Joker playing Lex Luthor.

 

[Underseer]

It may be that you are not quite in tune with the current Wonder Woman comics. Cheetah has been featured heavily in WW in the Rebirth continuity. She is a very conflicted villain, who has been a friend and ally to Wonder Woman at points in their relationship, but ultimately feels betrayed by Wonder Woman. This could make for a very compelling story, if done right. That said, as much as I like Kirsten Wiig as a comedian, I am not sure how she would fit into this role. It doesn't seem like it is a done deal, however, so we will just have to wait and see.

Yeah, after I posted this, I saw a YouTube video explaining the current incarnation of Cheetah, and I agree that the newest version sounds interesting. More importantly, she has a complicated Spider-Man-like relationship with this villain.

I still suspect that most of the public is like me. Most of us can only name one Wonder Woman villain: Ares, and if we can name Cheetah, it's only because she made a brief appearance in the Justice League cartoon and we can't really tell you much of anything about Cheetah.

Most DC heroes have a large rogues' gallery of memorable villains. I don't think any Marvel hero has a rogues' gallery as large and memorable as Batman has. But by the same token, most people have trouble remembering much of Wonder Woman's rogues' gallery. It is for this reason that I think it was a mistake to kill off her most memorable villain.

PS [ent]mdash[/ent] My guess about World War 2 was waaaaaaay off. It turns out Wonder Woman is going to fight Cheetah in the 1980s. Part of me looks forward to seeing Kristen Wiig with big 80s hair.

 

[Underseer]

Ya, I really don't see Kristen Wiig pulling off a viable supervillain. Sure, out of the box casting choices can work out, like when they inexplicably chose that guy who played the gay cowboy to be the new Joker, but this is the team which chose Jesse Eisenberg to be Lex Luthor, so maybe they should try being more conservative for a bit.

Michael Keaton.

Out of the box casting can very much work, particularly since comedians are often capable of more depth and sympathy than people expect. That doesn't necessarily mean every odd casting choice is going to work out though.

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Ya, I really don't see Kristen Wiig pulling off a viable supervillain. Sure, out of the box casting choices can work out, like when they inexplicably chose that guy who played the gay cowboy to be the new Joker, but this is the team which chose Jesse Eisenberg to be Lex Luthor, so maybe they should try being more conservative for a bit.

I thought Eisenberg did a great job of playing Heath Ledger playing The Joker playing Lex Luthor.

I thought it was more like Eisenberg playing a Silicon Valley tycoon playing Lex Luthor, but then I'm probably the only one who kind of liked his version of Luthor jr.

 

[marc]

Most DC heroes have a large rogues' gallery of memorable villains. I don't think any Marvel hero has a rogues' gallery as large and memorable as Batman has.

Spider-Man has the best rogues gallery for Marvel. I think a number of other heroes have a decent list, but they get overshadowed by a few big names on them. Like the Fantastic Four’s list is dominated by Doom and Galactus.

 

[Jayjay]

There's no reason to have Wonder Woman specific villains from comics. I'd rather see them take a second-tier villain from Batman or Flash, or Superman for that matter, than shoehorn Cheetah into it. The catty woman villain trope is so behind the times.

 

[Goodchild]

There's no reason to have Wonder Woman specific villains from comics. I'd rather see them take a second-tier villain from Batman or Flash, or Superman for that matter, than shoehorn Cheetah into it. The catty woman villain trope is so behind the times.

Nothing about Cheetah could be described as "catty". She's incredibly vicious and a serious challenge to Diana. And given that she's a serious character I really couldn't see Wiig as a good choice to play her, but who knows ... she might be awesome in the part.

Wonder Woman really doesn't have as much of a recognizable rogue's gallery as The Flash or Batman. Once they've used up Ares and Cheetah that's pretty much it for any villain casual viewers might have even a passing knowledge of so I do agree with the idea of taking villains from other DC stories and adapting them for WW movies.

 

[Underseer]

There's no reason to have Wonder Woman specific villains from comics. I'd rather see them take a second-tier villain from Batman or Flash, or Superman for that matter, than shoehorn Cheetah into it. The catty woman villain trope is so behind the times.

Nothing about Cheetah could be described as "catty". She's incredibly vicious and a serious challenge to Diana. And given that she's a serious character I really couldn't see Wiig as a good choice to play her, but who knows ... she might be awesome in the part.

Wonder Woman really doesn't have as much of a recognizable rogue's gallery as The Flash or Batman. Once they've used up Ares and Cheetah that's pretty much it for any villain casual viewers might have even a passing knowledge of so I do agree with the idea of taking villains from other DC stories and adapting them for WW movies.

It would've been better to, you know, not kill Ares. Especially since he can engineer disasters that might challenge the entire Justice League. Oh well, there's always the Furies from Apokolips, I guess. Apokolips is an entire planet full of evil gods, isn't it?

 

[Underseer]

Most DC heroes have a large rogues' gallery of memorable villains. I don't think any Marvel hero has a rogues' gallery as large and memorable as Batman has.

Spider-Man has the best rogues gallery for Marvel. I think a number of other heroes have a decent list, but they get overshadowed by a few big names on them. Like the Fantastic Four’s list is dominated by Doom and Galactus.

Yeah, if you ask me to list off the villains of any Marvel hero, I'm going to have the easiest time with Spider-Man and the X-Men.

 

[Goodchild]

It would've been better to, you know, not kill Ares. Especially since he can engineer disasters that might challenge the entire Justice League.

I would tend to agree but other than Loki, Luthor jr. and Vulture how many comic book villains can you think of that survived their movie? More often than not the villains are disposed of by the end of the movies, which is a trend I really don't care for.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

It would've been better to, you know, not kill Ares. Especially since he can engineer disasters that might challenge the entire Justice League.

I would tend to agree but other than Loki, Luthor jr. and Vulture how many comic book villains can you think of that survived their movie? More often than not the villains are disposed of by the end of the movies, which is a trend I really don't care for.

As Lego Batman points out... Batman rarely ever finishes off his enemies. Joker in the first Burton film gets it, and

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Two Face in the last Nolan Batman that needs to be ever discussed again

but otherwise, the villains always live to see another day. Marvel isn't as kind, but on occasion, bad guys do sometimes survive.

 

[KeepTalking]

There's no reason to have Wonder Woman specific villains from comics. I'd rather see them take a second-tier villain from Batman or Flash, or Superman for that matter, than shoehorn Cheetah into it. The catty woman villain trope is so behind the times.

Nothing about Cheetah could be described as "catty". She's incredibly vicious and a serious challenge to Diana. And given that she's a serious character I really couldn't see Wiig as a good choice to play her, but who knows ... she might be awesome in the part.

Wonder Woman really doesn't have as much of a recognizable rogue's gallery as The Flash or Batman. Once they've used up Ares and Cheetah that's pretty much it for any villain casual viewers might have even a passing knowledge of so I do agree with the idea of taking villains from other DC stories and adapting them for WW movies.

It would've been better to, you know, not kill Ares.

Villains (and heroes) in superhero movies (and comics) have a tendency to not stay dead for long. And that is when they are not even gods. Ares was killed by Wonder Woman in the comics, and brought back to life, there is no reason they wouldn't do the same thing here if they really found a compelling reason to have Ares around again.

 

[Underseer]

It would've been better to, you know, not kill Ares. Especially since he can engineer disasters that might challenge the entire Justice League.

I would tend to agree but other than Loki, Luthor jr. and Vulture how many comic book villains can you think of that survived their movie? More often than not the villains are disposed of by the end of the movies, which is a trend I really don't care for.

That was kind of my point in the original thread. Superhero movies tend to kill off the villain. At certain times, that is self-defeating.

I mean, I get that Jessica Jones needed to be the one to kill Purple Man so she could have closure and a satisfying story, but Purple Man is exactly the sort of villain you want to keep around.

 

[Jayjay]

It would've been better to, you know, not kill Ares. Especially since he can engineer disasters that might challenge the entire Justice League.

I would tend to agree but other than Loki, Luthor jr. and Vulture how many comic book villains can you think of that survived their movie? More often than not the villains are disposed of by the end of the movies, which is a trend I really don't care for.

That was kind of my point in the original thread. Superhero movies tend to kill off the villain. At certain times, that is self-defeating.

I mean, I get that Jessica Jones needed to be the one to kill Purple Man so she could have closure and a satisfying story, but Purple Man is exactly the sort of villain you want to keep around.

Killing off villains is offset by the fact that movies and tv series get rebooted at regular intervals, which allows old villains to come back and stories to be retold. If you take Jessica Jones, it'll have maybe a couple of seasons more. If they can't fill that without running out of ideas, maybe they shouldn't do it at all.

 

[Underseer]

That was kind of my point in the original thread. Superhero movies tend to kill off the villain. At certain times, that is self-defeating.

I mean, I get that Jessica Jones needed to be the one to kill Purple Man so she could have closure and a satisfying story, but Purple Man is exactly the sort of villain you want to keep around.

Killing off villains is offset by the fact that movies and tv series get rebooted at regular intervals, which allows old villains to come back and stories to be retold. If you take Jessica Jones, it'll have maybe a couple of seasons more. If they can't fill that without running out of ideas, maybe they shouldn't do it at all.

It's just that Purple Man was so good that it's hard for me to imagine them coming up with a better villain and a villain who perfectly fits with the themes/subtexts of Jessica Jones.

 

[Underseer]

Jessica Jones announced the episode titles of the upcoming season 2 using faux pulp magazine covers by a female artist.

https://screenrant.com/jessica-jones-season-2-episodes-titles-covers/

https://mashable.com/2018/03/05/jessica-jones-pop-art-covers/

 

[Underseer]

Marvel fans are wigging out that Hawkeye wasn't in the trailer. Green Arrow actor Steve Amell had a pretty cute comment about the whole brouhaha:

https://screenrant.com/avengers-3-poster-hawkeye-stephen-amell/

 

[Goodchild]

The new trailer for Deadpool 2 looks great