barbos
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Italy dead 1266, +250 in one day. Looks like they are losing.
And I suspect Spain is becoming new Italy too.
And I suspect Spain is becoming new Italy too.
Assuming their data can be trusted, totalitarian China seems to be doing well. Italy not so much. at this rate they will surpass China in a week. But my suspicion that won't happen.
While we can't be sure that they are telling the complete truth there's no way they could cover up if it was anything like it was before--the crowds of sick people were obvious. Note all the video that leaked. They didn't magically manage to stop all leaks, thus there must not be scenes like before.
Just heard a mathematician claim that Washington state is our Wuhan. We have about two weeks for the epidemic to reach the other corner, southern Florida. May your case be a mild one.
Could you give more details on your source, e.g. a link? Just because someone says something alarming, that does not make it credible.
First of all, we do not know the extent of the outbreak in the Seattle area or elsewhere, because we have not had the tests to gather meaningful statistics. Secondly, much of the hype is over the unusual number of deaths. As of March 13, we know of 37 deaths and only 568 confirmed cases, but 25 of the 37 deaths are associated with one nursing home, Life Care Center of Kirkland. The rapidly rising number of cases confuse the rising number of tests being done with the rising number of people actually becoming infected. It is inevitable that the numbers will go up as the means to discover them goes up. I'm not saying that the Seattle area is not having a major problem, just that whatever numbers that mathematician had, they probably weren't very meaningful.
We were discussing this:
[YOUTUBE]Kas0tIxDvrg[/YOUTUBE]
And (both on YouTube) MedCram and Peak Prosperity who seem to think more in the range of a month or two for all of US to be infected.
We can't contain it so only non-pharma intervention -- self-quarantine -- to flatten the curve.
If you roll up to a drive-through COVID-19 testing center in South Korea, you might notice that safety procedures extend all the way to your car's air conditioning. You will be advised to hit the recirculation button so that if you're sick, you can keep your pathogens to yourself, in your car, and avoid infecting the medical personnel doing the testing.
The test takes 10 minutes at most. Results are texted to you, usually the next day. And it's free — paid for by the government.
Drive-through centers have helped South Korea do some of the fastest, most-extensive testing of any country. And while nobody is claiming that South Korea has defeated the outbreak, experts credit the emphasis on testing with reducing case numbers and fatalities.
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South Korea has about 8,000 infections. Italy and Iran overtook it this week as the countries with the most cases outside of China. South Korea's new cases have gradually declined since the end of last month. For the first time since Jan. 20, the number of patients released from treatment on Friday, March 13 — 510 — outnumbered the 110 new cases.
A nation of 51 million, South Korea has tested about 250,000 people since its outbreak began on Jan. 20, with a daily capacity of 15,000. It has conducted 3,600 tests per million people compared to five per million in the U.S.
That stupid one-China policy. Why don't they give it up and accept that they are effectively two Chinas?Taiwan's health-care system ranks among the best in the world. And it learned lessons from the experience of SARS 17 years ago, when it was the third worst hit territory after China and Hong Kong.
"They had basically prepared for the next crisis because after SARS people were so just shocked by the impact both to the people and the economy," Wang said.
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Beijing considers the self-ruled, democratic island a part of China and has vowed to unite it eventually with the mainland, by force if necessary.
On the global stage, the Chinese government has tried to squeeze Taiwan. The island only has a handful of diplomatic allies, and it's not a member of the United Nations or the World Health Organization.
That has real-life implications during a disease outbreak, according to Richard Bush, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution.
Many such claims come from mainland China, though apparently from ordinary users there.An additional challenge also emerged for Taiwan: disinformation.
As the virus spread in China in late January, a stream of rumors and fake news about Taiwan's response to the outbreak began to appear on social media sites, including Facebook and Twitter, according to researchers who track the issue.
One of the first claimed that the outbreak was out of control in southern Taiwan and that trucks were being used to haul bodies to crematoriums, according to Summer Chen, editor-in-chief of Taiwan FactCheck Center, a group that ferrets out and debunks dodgy reports.
Let’s conservatively assume that there are 2,000 current cases in the US today, March 6th. This is about 8x the number of confirmed (lab-diagnosed) cases. We know there is substantial under-Dx due to lack of test kits; I’ll address implications later of under-/over-estimate. 2/n
That's small potatoes. In the UK they are going to quarantine vulnerable populations and ask military producers to switch production to produce more ventilators. We don't think that a person may die for lack of a ventilator. But when the system gets overloaded this is what happens.
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loc...irport-due-to-coronavirus-screenings/2237389/
What could possibly go wrong?
Over-70s - and younger people with certain health conditions - will be told they must remain at home and have groceries and vital medication delivered.
The health secretary said people without symptoms would be able to visit older relatives and friends as long as they stayed two metres - or six feet - apart from them.
He said the NHS did not have enough ventilator machines to treat the numbers of people likely to become critically ill with the virus and said the government was urging a wartime-like response from manufacturers to produce them.
Just heard a mathematician claim that Washington state is our Wuhan. We have about two weeks for the epidemic to reach the other corner, southern Florida. May your case be a mild one.
Could you give more details on your source, e.g. a link? Just because someone says something alarming, that does not make it credible.
First of all, we do not know the extent of the outbreak in the Seattle area or elsewhere, because we have not had the tests to gather meaningful statistics. Secondly, much of the hype is over the unusual number of deaths. As of March 13, we know of 37 deaths and only 568 confirmed cases, but 25 of the 37 deaths are associated with one nursing home, Life Care Center of Kirkland. The rapidly rising number of cases confuse the rising number of tests being done with the rising number of people actually becoming infected. It is inevitable that the numbers will go up as the means to discover them goes up. I'm not saying that the Seattle area is not having a major problem, just that whatever numbers that mathematician had, they probably weren't very meaningful.
We were discussing this:
[YOUTUBE]Kas0tIxDvrg[/YOUTUBE]
And (both on YouTube) MedCram and Peak Prosperity who seem to think more in the range of a month or two for all of US to be infected.
We can't contain it so only non-pharma intervention -- self-quarantine -- to flatten the curve.
That's small potatoes. In the UK they are going to quarantine vulnerable populations and ask military producers to switch production to produce more ventilators. We don't think that a person may die for lack of a ventilator. But when the system gets overloaded this is what happens.
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loc...irport-due-to-coronavirus-screenings/2237389/
What could possibly go wrong?
Coronavirus: Isolation for over-70s 'within weeks'
Over-70s - and younger people with certain health conditions - will be told they must remain at home and have groceries and vital medication delivered.
The health secretary said people without symptoms would be able to visit older relatives and friends as long as they stayed two metres - or six feet - apart from them.
He said the NHS did not have enough ventilator machines to treat the numbers of people likely to become critically ill with the virus and said the government was urging a wartime-like response from manufacturers to produce them.
Don't smoke!!!!!!
https://journals.lww.com/cmj/Abstra...of_factors_associated_with_disease.99363.aspx
It makes it 14x as dangerous.
Apparently people are now panic buying meat.
That's going to be hilarious when there's power cuts and all the hoarded meat goes bad.
I will be fine though; I have been panic buying electricity just in case. I have every light in the house switched on all day.
Apparently people are now panic buying meat.
That's going to be hilarious when there's power cuts and all the hoarded meat goes bad.
I will be fine though; I have been panic buying electricity just in case. I have every light in the house switched on all day.
Why would there be power cuts? I'm pretty sure electricity production will be upheld even when everyone else is told to stay at home.
Apparently people are now panic buying meat.
That's going to be hilarious when there's power cuts and all the hoarded meat goes bad.
I will be fine though; I have been panic buying electricity just in case. I have every light in the house switched on all day.
Why would there be power cuts? I'm pretty sure electricity production will be upheld even when everyone else is told to stay at home.
But if the maintenance crews are cut to skeletal levels, certain blocks may be cut out by a storm or whatever.
I look at the statistics for different countries https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
And don't really understand how some countries like India managed to avoid large number of infections/deaths?
Are they covering it up?
Russia too, have suspiciously low numbers.