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"Coronavirus and the US" or "We are all going to die!!!!"

Being in a somewhat weakened state I experience two pretty common sensations. I feel warm and closed in sensation when wearing a mask which I relate to oxygen deficit. It's clear to me that any constraint on my breathing - things which feeling warm and feeling closed in indicate - amplifies my heart rate and breathing rate. So mentally wearing a mask leads me right back to "I experience this so I must be ...."

I'm getting to the point where its with my state of mind it doesn't really matter.
Do you have a hard time at altitude? Even flying would be pretty difficult I think with that kind of breathing issue.

I know when I moved from AZ to UT, I really notice the altitude when I'm exercising (I bike a lot). It took 3 months to get used to it, but more like a full year for me to feel fully acclimated.

I'm planning some hikes to around 12k this summer that should be interesting. I really start to notice around 9k, so those last 3k feet are going to be interesting.

As far as masks, unless one is wearing an overly restrictive one that seals really well (which is overkill for this pandemic), it should affect one's breathing or O2 levels at all. There are several videos where people do various activities with and without one (using the common cloth type that's recommended) while wearing an O2 saturation monitor and there is no difference in O2 levels.
 
Being in a somewhat weakened state I experience two pretty common sensations. I feel warm and closed in sensation when wearing a mask which I relate to oxygen deficit. It's clear to me that any constraint on my breathing - things which feeling warm and feeling closed in indicate - amplifies my heart rate and breathing rate. So mentally wearing a mask leads me right back to "I experience this so I must be ...."

I'm getting to the point where its with my state of mind it doesn't really matter.

Sounds like mild claustrophobia.

I would bet that your spO2 isn't affected by wearing a mask - that's easy to test, so if you care to do so, please share the results.
 
What To Look For In A Face Mask, According To Science | FiveThirtyEight

The questions with my interpretations of the article's contents.

Do I need to wear a mask? Yes, when one's out of one's residence.

What does a mask do? Block breathed-out droplets containing the virus.

Should I go disposable or reusable? Disposable ones are good, but one can go through a lot of them, and they have to be disposed of. Some reusable ones are equally good, so use them.

What material is best for a reusable face mask? Not so much fabric type but fabric quality: thicker fibers and tighter weaves block the virus better. But one must be able to breathe through it. Hold one's fabric up to a bright light. If one can see through it, it is not very good.

How many layers is best? Should use at least 3 layers.

Does thread count matter? Not very much. Tightness of weave is a more important factor.

What style should I buy? "The most effective masks are ones that cover both your nose and mouth and form a somewhat snug seal at the edges of the mask."

Should I buy handmade or mass produced? "The efficacy of the mask has more to do with the material than whether it was made in a factory or at your kitchen table."

What about those exhalation vents? Good for filtering inhalation, but not good for filtering exhalation, something one wants to do in this pandemic.

What if I pick the wrong one? "At the end of the day, many experts also say that any face covering is better than no face covering. Do your best to find a mask that is breathable and that you don’t mind wearing, and you should be in good shape."


The article concludes with a video on hydroxychloroquine - "How reports of a promising COVID-19 treatment was found to be fraudulent" - using data from a company called Surgisphere, data that turned out to be bogus
 
Testing the Efficacy of Homemade Masks: Would They Protect in an Influenza Pandemic? - from 2013 - "The median-fit factor of the homemade masks was one-half that of the surgical masks. Both masks significantly reduced the number of microorganisms expelled by volunteers, although the surgical mask was 3 times more effective in blocking transmission than the homemade mask."

Advice on the use of masks in the community, during home care and in healthcare settings in the context of the novel coronavirus (COVID-19) outbreak

Variety 5-Pack of Triple-Layer Cloth Face Masks for Adults | Old Navy -- advertising a variety of colors and fabric prints and patterns

Performance of fabrics for home-made masks against spread of respiratory infection through droplets: a quantitative mechanistic study | medRxiv
Here, we ascertained the performance of ten different fabrics, ranging from cotton to silk, in blocking high velocity droplets, using a 3-layered commercial medical mask as a benchmark material. We also assessed their breathability and ability to soak water. We reason that the materials should be as breathable as possible, without compromising blocking efficiency, to reduce air flow through the sides of the mask since such flow would defeat the purpose of the mask. We found that most home fabrics substantially block droplets, even as a single layer. With two layers, blocking performance can reach that of surgical mask without significantly compromising breathability. Furthermore, we observed that home fabrics are hydrophilic to varying degrees, and hence soak water. In contrast, medical masks are hydrophobic, and tend to repel water. Incoming droplets are thus soaked and 'held back' by home fabrics, which might offer an as of yet untapped and understudied advantage of home-made cloth masks. Overall, our study suggests that most double-layered cloth face coverings may help reduce droplet transmission of respiratory infections.
So homemade and mass-market masks have an underappreciated advantage - they tend to absorb water rather than repelling it, thus soaking up droplets that attempt to pass through them.

Making a homemade COVID mask? Study explains best fabric choices | Illinois
Mechanical science and engineering professor Taher Saif spoke with News Bureau physical sciences editor Lois Yoksoulian about a study that he and his graduate students, Onur Aydin and Bashar Emon, performed on the effectiveness of common household fabrics for use in homemade masks.

Physically speaking, are the respiratory droplets produced by talking and breathing the same as those that come from a cough or a sneeze?

The droplets released during sneezing and coughing are larger than those released while speaking and breathing, and any of these droplets may carry many virus particles. The larger droplets tend to fall nearby due to gravity, but the smaller ones can go far, with the majority of them remaining within six feet of the infected individual. Unfortunately, because symptomatic, presymptomatic and asymptomatic carriers can shed the coronavirus, we cannot tell without testing which individuals are the sources of infection. Hence, a physical barrier, such as a mask, can prevent the spreading.

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First, most common household fabrics, such as T-shirt material, have 40% or higher droplet blocking when used as a single layer. In two layers, to our surprise, T-shirt fabric had a 98% droplet blocking efficiency – exceeding that of the medical mask, while maintaining better breathability.

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What type of fabric do you recommend for the home mask maker?

We found that very breathable fabrics are a good choice, like common t-shirt materials. They tend to have low droplet resistance, and their efficiency increases when used in a two-layer mask. The net breathability of the two layers is much higher than the medical masks, too. In fact, the breathability of cotton T-shirt fabrics remains higher than a medical mask, even with three layers.
 
Worse case natural selection takes over. Not all d9ied during The Plague.
 
Being in a somewhat weakened state I experience two pretty common sensations. I feel warm and closed in sensation when wearing a mask which I relate to oxygen deficit. It's clear to me that any constraint on my breathing - things which feeling warm and feeling closed in indicate - amplifies my heart rate and breathing rate. So mentally wearing a mask leads me right back to "I experience this so I must be ...."

I'm getting to the point where its with my state of mind it doesn't really matter.

Being in an airplane cuts your oxygen intake far more than even an N-95 mask. Anyone who can fly can wear a mask.
 
Worse case natural selection takes over. Not all d9ied during The Plague.

The blue fever (now known more commonly as 'black death') in the 1340s killed at least one third of Europe's population. Some estimates suggest mortality of 95% in the worst affected areas - generally the cities and towns, though there were villages with populations up to a couple of hundred that had every single person die.

Most people in 1340s Europe lived in villages with populations below 100 people, where a 95% mortality essentially meant that everyone died bar a tiny handful of survivors who can't really be considered 'lucky', unless you think that being seriously ill with nobody to care for you (because everyone else is ill or dead), and recovering to find that every person you have ever known is a rotting corpse, lying unburied because nobody is around who is fit to dig a grave, constitutes 'luck'.

Pandemic disease is no trivial matter, and while Covid-19 isn't as deadly as many historical plagues, letting it take its course unopposed would be truly horrific even for those who never experience any symptoms at all.

And the past doesn't set a maximum severity of future disease. It's perfectly possible that humanity could go extinct as a result of a future pandemic. There's your 'worst case'. Natural selection is driven by extinctions.

Your post is so ignorant of history, epidemiology, virology, bacteriology, evolutionary biology, and even humanity, that it's difficult to believe you have bothered to comment on a subject that you so obviously have almost zero knowledge about. It's certainly hard to understand what motivated your post.
 
This link has all the information needed about face masks and who should wear them.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover-guidance.html

You notice what that page says? For just about everyone, wear a fucking mask!

Yep, exactly!

And the exception of people "who have trouble breathing" refers to those with clinical diagnosed conditions where they always have trouble breathing, not to otherwise healthy people who feel it's hard to breathe with a mask.

Also, the very few who cannot or shouldn't wear a mask should be especially minimizing being in public and shouldn't be allowed inside establishments or on planes. Their reason for not wearing a mask is irrelevant. In a pandemic situation where not wearing a mask makes a person a health risk to others, the ADA does not apply.
 
Natural Selection

In the 999990s I watched a show about a guy who looking at drought conditions somewhere in Mexico. He stumbled on something.

A dried up stream left isolated pools of wate./ In one pool was a small fish diminishing off from infection caused be a parasite.

In another pool the same fish was resistant to the parasite.

He put resistant fish in with the infected fish and eventually the population became resistant.

Natural selection of genetic immunity to disease.

Humans should be no different. It was said back in the 90s there were people in whose blood the HIV virus would not grow. Someone ran an experiment testing samples.
 
Natural Selection

In the 999990s I watched a show about a guy who looking at drought conditions somewhere in Mexico. He stumbled on something.

A dried up stream left isolated pools of wate./ In one pool was a small fish diminishing off from infection caused be a parasite.

In another pool the same fish was resistant to the parasite.

He put resistant fish in with the infected fish and eventually the population became resistant.

Natural selection of genetic immunity to disease.

Humans should be no different. It was said back in the 90s there were people in whose blood the HIV virus would not grow. Someone ran an experiment testing samples.

That's nice. :rolleyes:

If your thesis is that it doesn't matter if almost everybody dies, because the survivors will be stronger for it, then you are a monster.

If you truly believe that extinction is impossible, and that there must always be a viable population of immune individuals within the population as a whole, then you are an idiot.

It's hard to be sure exactly what the fuck you are actually trying to say (if anything); but it appears to be both.
 
https://www.covid-age.com/calculator/

The above link is from Stanford. It was recommended by an epidemiologist as a good estimate. I don't know of any tests, maybe the site does. Nevertheless it claims that it can give probabilities if and when you get it. Using height, weight, (why don't those two rhyme?), belt size, blood pressure, and other risks you enter along with age they give numbers. In my case 90% chance of non-hospitalization, 5% ICU, 4.5% vent, 1.5% dead. Not "We are all going to die" but "It is more severe than flu by about triple the death rate." And, horribly, some survivors have severe lingering conditions. Avoid it if you can. Wear a mask.
 
Natural Selection

In the 999990s I watched a show about a guy who looking at drought conditions somewhere in Mexico. He stumbled on something.

A dried up stream left isolated pools of wate./ In one pool was a small fish diminishing off from infection caused be a parasite.

In another pool the same fish was resistant to the parasite.

He put resistant fish in with the infected fish and eventually the population became resistant.

Natural selection of genetic immunity to disease.

Humans should be no different. It was said back in the 90s there were people in whose blood the HIV virus would not grow. Someone ran an experiment testing samples.

That's nice. :rolleyes:

If your thesis is that it doesn't matter if almost everybody dies, because the survivors will be stronger for it, then you are a monster.

If you truly believe that extinction is impossible, and that there must always be a viable population of immune individuals within the population as a whole, then you are an idiot.

It's hard to be sure exactly what the fuck you are actually trying to say (if anything); but it appears to be both.

Not so surprisingly the black death concentrated wealth, literally made the rich richer. Maybe this is what Texas and conservatives are trying to do with Covid-19. ;)

How the Black Death made the rich richer
 
Natural Selection

In the 999990s I watched a show about a guy who looking at drought conditions somewhere in Mexico. He stumbled on something.

A dried up stream left isolated pools of wate./ In one pool was a small fish diminishing off from infection caused be a parasite.

In another pool the same fish was resistant to the parasite.

He put resistant fish in with the infected fish and eventually the population became resistant.

Natural selection of genetic immunity to disease.

Humans should be no different. It was said back in the 90s there were people in whose blood the HIV virus would not grow. Someone ran an experiment testing samples.

Sweden's genius of a government was trying the " herd mentality" and not enforcing distancing and shutdowns resulting in almost EU's leading infection rate.
 
Natural Selection

In the 999990s I watched a show about a guy who looking at drought conditions somewhere in Mexico. He stumbled on something.

A dried up stream left isolated pools of wate./ In one pool was a small fish diminishing off from infection caused be a parasite.

In another pool the same fish was resistant to the parasite.

He put resistant fish in with the infected fish and eventually the population became resistant.

Natural selection of genetic immunity to disease.

Humans should be no different. It was said back in the 90s there were people in whose blood the HIV virus would not grow. Someone ran an experiment testing samples.

Sweden's genius of a government was trying the " herd mentality" and not enforcing distancing and shutdowns resulting in almost EU's leading infection rate.

For those who try for herd immunity want the combo of high case count (mostly among the young) and low death rate. The idea of the shutdown was not to stop the infection spread. That can only be slowed so the hospitals don't get overcrowded.

They government gave the data and let their citizens decide for themselves whether the risk of a particular activity was worth the reward.

Herd immunity can be acquired by a large number of recovered people or by a vaccination or other means to acquire the antibody.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/ look down until you find the daily new deaths. It is going down exponentially.
 
There is the economic and social consequences. Left alone natural selection will run its course, that is all I am saying. 1 death or a billion deaths.


We already see the numbers. Many infected who have minor or no symptoms.

I am not saying let it run its course. However look at the beliefs that it is not a problem or those who will not wear masks.
 
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