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Covid-19 miscellany

Loren Pechtel

Super Moderator
Staff member
Texas and Covid-19.

Can someone please explain how Texas manages their COVID-19 existing cases numbers? You look at Florida and you see one thing, generally, a rising existing cases and only recently existing cases dropping. But Texas, almost in the middle of their surge, their existing cases numbers were dropping faster than new cases could keep up, despite having a lot of new cases!

When you look at the US as a whole, generally you can tell the states that either fucked up or had populations that wouldn't listen. You can generally tell based on the existing cases verses recovered cases. States like Georgia, Florida, Arizona have existing cases that are many times greater than their recovered cases. Not Texas, a state that is repeatedly in the top few for new daily cases. Their existing cases is a fraction of their total cases, despite being in the same boat as Arizona and Florida. How is that remotely possible?

They're doing what His Flatulence wants--not testing.
 

Jimmy Higgins

Contributor
Texas and Covid-19.

Can someone please explain how Texas manages their COVID-19 existing cases numbers? You look at Florida and you see one thing, generally, a rising existing cases and only recently existing cases dropping. But Texas, almost in the middle of their surge, their existing cases numbers were dropping faster than new cases could keep up, despite having a lot of new cases!

When you look at the US as a whole, generally you can tell the states that either fucked up or had populations that wouldn't listen. You can generally tell based on the existing cases verses recovered cases. States like Georgia, Florida, Arizona have existing cases that are many times greater than their recovered cases. Not Texas, a state that is repeatedly in the top few for new daily cases. Their existing cases is a fraction of their total cases, despite being in the same boat as Arizona and Florida. How is that remotely possible?

They're doing what His Flatulence wants--not testing.
But they are testing... and they got lots of positives... they just seem to be getting people "recovered" A LOT quicker, unless they are undertesting by 5x to 10x. Fuck, Texas isn't that bad, is it?
 

Loren Pechtel

Super Moderator
Staff member
Texas and Covid-19.

Can someone please explain how Texas manages their COVID-19 existing cases numbers? You look at Florida and you see one thing, generally, a rising existing cases and only recently existing cases dropping. But Texas, almost in the middle of their surge, their existing cases numbers were dropping faster than new cases could keep up, despite having a lot of new cases!

When you look at the US as a whole, generally you can tell the states that either fucked up or had populations that wouldn't listen. You can generally tell based on the existing cases verses recovered cases. States like Georgia, Florida, Arizona have existing cases that are many times greater than their recovered cases. Not Texas, a state that is repeatedly in the top few for new daily cases. Their existing cases is a fraction of their total cases, despite being in the same boat as Arizona and Florida. How is that remotely possible?

They're doing what His Flatulence wants--not testing.
But they are testing... and they got lots of positives... they just seem to be getting people "recovered" A LOT quicker, unless they are undertesting by 5x to 10x. Fuck, Texas isn't that bad, is it?

The high positive rate says they aren't testing nearly enough.
 
Ok, that makes more sense--you're saying a cloud of up to 27' radius.

Now, imagine 5 minutes later, person B is strolling in the park. They don't see anyone so they don't wear a mask. They walk a path parallel to the previous jogger, Person A...but they are 7 feet away to the right....perhaps on the opposite side of a wide public path.

Which is why I don't take my mask back off until at least a minute after there's nobody around me anymore.

Of course, there may be other environmental factors that destroy the clouds like heat, UV, strong winds, but in experiments sneezes can go 27 feet and virus can be in the air a long time. So, at a minimum, the 6 foot social distancing thing isn't 100% sure thing. It's a personal choice on how risk averse beyond that that people want to be.

I do agree that 6' is simply a rough guideline, not an assurance of safety.

Hey Loren (and others)...there is some related news to this and I have made a separate thread:
https://talkfreethought.org/showthr...ses-new-storm-by-pulling-coronavirus-guidance
 

spikepipsqueak

My Brane Hertz
Staff member
I wasn't paying enough attention at the time (being in a different country, 'n' all). Can anyone tell me if there was a spike in cases after that huge motorcycle rally?
 

lpetrich

Contributor
U.S. Image Plummets Internationally as Most Say Country Has Handled Coronavirus Badly | Pew Research Center - "Ratings for Trump remain poor"

In the UK, France, Germany, Japan, Canada, and Australia, ratings for the US are at record lows. The decline was reversed during the Obama years, but it picked up again in the Trump years.

Surveying 13 developed countries, their assessments of various responders to the novel coronavirus (minimum, median, maximum %) is:
  • US: 6 - 15 - 20
  • Own country: 46 - 74 - 94
  • WHO: 19 - 64 - 74
  • EU: 19 - 57 - 68
  • China: 16 - 37 - 51
Ratings (min, med, max %)
  • Favorable view of US: 24 - 34 - 59
  • Confidence in Trump: 9 - 16 - 25
Confidence vs. no confidence in world leaders (+, - %)
  • Germany - Merkel: 76 - 19
  • France - Macron: 64 - 32
  • UK - Johnson: 48 - 46
  • Russia - Putin: 23 - 73
  • China - Xi: 19 - 78
  • US - Trump: 16 - 83
Interesting that Angela Merkel should be so greatly respected. Also that Trump should be way down there with Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping.

Confidence in Trump among supporters of European right-wing-populist parties (nonsupporters, supporters, difference %):
  • Spain (Vox): 7 - 45 -- 38
  • Germany (AfD): 5 - 34 -- 29
  • Netherlands (PVV): 10 - 36 -- 26
  • Sweden (Sw Dems): 7 - 33 -- 26
  • Netherlands (FvD): 11 - 34 -- 23
  • France (Nat Rally): 6 - 28 -- 22
  • Italy (Lega): 10 - 29 -- 19
  • Belgium (Fl Int): 5 - 24 -- 19
  • UK (Brexit Pty): 15 - 33 -- 18
  • Italy (Forza It): 11 - 27 -- 16
  • Denmark (D Ppls Pty): 7 - 15 -- 8
More, but usually not very great.
 

Jimmy Higgins

Contributor
I wasn't paying enough attention at the time (being in a different country, 'n' all). Can anyone tell me if there was a spike in cases after that huge motorcycle rally?
This requires math and a lot of logistics. A study implied it was responsible for 200,000 cases, which seems a bit high. Sturgis went up for certain, but the "spike" would be tempered by geography. It certainly was a bad idea. And seeing US cases aren't dropping anymore... oh FFS, when can we get back to fucking normal?! These selfish assholes are all in it for themselves.
 
It's difficult enough to try to trust young adults with raging hormones to not do anything stupid. So when you have a dum-dum President telling them to reopen schools, that young people are at less risk, that "virtually nobody" got it other than old people, and wearing masks is a Democrat hoax, this is bound to happen.
 

Derec

Contributor
These days France and Spain have significantly more per capita daily cases than US.


Interesting that Angela Merkel should be so greatly respected.
Yes, quite strange, given that she is responsible for the huge wave of Islamic mass migration (aka invasion) since 2015 and that she wants to bring in even more Muslim mass migrants.

Muslims are giving France this:
Two injured in Paris knife attack near Charlie Hebdo's former office

And most probably this too:
France street harassment: Strasbourg woman attacked 'for wearing skirt'

And in Germany:
Ten men convicted over gang rape in Germany

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Merkel cares more about Muslim mass migrants than her own people.
 

TSwizzle

Contributor
Police in Nottingham must be toiling to find real crimes to deal with so they patrol the streets of Nottingham in search of loud music and *gasp* dancing !;

Four university students have been fined £10,000 each after telling police who broke up their house party they were "spoiling their fun". Officers on patrol spotted a party in Lenton, Nottingham, on Tuesday night but were told everyone had left. But inside they found more than 30 people hiding and, when challenged, organisers complained they should be having the "time of their lives". Nottingham Trent University said the third-year students had been suspended. Mixing of households or support bubbles indoors has been banned since Nottingham went into tier two restrictions on 14 October. On Tuesday, Prime Minister Boris Johnson said talks over moving Nottinghamshire into tier three were "ongoing" but the city council's leader said no discussions had started.

BBC
 

Derec

Contributor
When you listen to national media and the like, you'd think it's only Sturgis motorcycle rallies and other predominantly white pastimes where people congregate without masks.

Rap events are often ignored even though they are packed and usually indoors.

What social distancing? Atlanta nightclubs packed despite pandemic

AJC said:
An Atlanta nightclub was packed into the early hours recently as revelers celebrated the 11th studio album by hometown rapper T.I.
A video of the event at the Gold Room making the rounds on social media shows a packed house and T.I. posing for photos. What it doesn’t show: Social distancing or many folks wearing masks.
“No masks ANYWHERE,” one person posted on Twitter in response.

By the way, that building used to be a strip club before it was a church and now it's a gaudy night club.

AJC said:
Friday night’s gathering wasn’t an isolated event in Atlanta, where clubs have been crowded despite the ongoing pandemic. Elleven45 Lounge recently hosted entertainer Gucci Mane, according to an Instagram post. Atlanta Pride was virtual this year, but partyers not officially affiliated with the annual festival swarmed BJ Roosters on Cheshire Bridge Road, various social media posts showed.

What's the difference between this and the Sturgis bikers?
 
When you listen to national media and the like, you'd think it's only Sturgis motorcycle rallies and other predominantly white pastimes where people congregate without masks.

Rap events are often ignored even though they are packed and usually indoors.

What social distancing? Atlanta nightclubs packed despite pandemic

AJC said:
An Atlanta nightclub was packed into the early hours recently as revelers celebrated the 11th studio album by hometown rapper T.I.
A video of the event at the Gold Room making the rounds on social media shows a packed house and T.I. posing for photos. What it doesn’t show: Social distancing or many folks wearing masks.
“No masks ANYWHERE,” one person posted on Twitter in response.

By the way, that building used to be a strip club before it was a church and now it's a gaudy night club.

AJC said:
Friday night’s gathering wasn’t an isolated event in Atlanta, where clubs have been crowded despite the ongoing pandemic. Elleven45 Lounge recently hosted entertainer Gucci Mane, according to an Instagram post. Atlanta Pride was virtual this year, but partyers not officially affiliated with the annual festival swarmed BJ Roosters on Cheshire Bridge Road, various social media posts showed.

What's the difference between this and the Sturgis bikers?

I don't have any impression about race in media coverage of covid. You seem to be obsessed.
 

Rhea

Cyborg with a Tiara
Staff member
What's the difference between this and the Sturgis bikers?

The Sturgis Rally had something like 400,000 people. That’s one huge difference. And they all went back to different states. One of them came back to my area, and opened up his restaurant upon his return.
 

Jimmy Higgins

Contributor
When you listen to national media and the like, you'd think it's only Sturgis motorcycle rallies and other predominantly white pastimes where people congregate without masks.

Rap events are often ignored even though they are packed and usually indoors.

What social distancing? Atlanta nightclubs packed despite pandemic



By the way, that building used to be a strip club before it was a church and now it's a gaudy night club.



What's the difference between this and the Sturgis bikers?

I don't have any impression about race in media coverage of covid. You seem to be obsessed.
Can't even have a pandemic thread without race entering this? What the fuck?! Get a room Derec!
 

Jimmy Higgins

Contributor
Scaling back the frequency they report it... which might be the road to not reporting it.

Why not report the numbers if things are going so well?
 

TSwizzle

Contributor
When you listen to national media and the like, you'd think it's only Sturgis motorcycle rallies and other predominantly white pastimes where people congregate without masks.

To some extent this is true, certainly on here. Here in California, the insufferable prick of a governor has wrapped his tiers around race and "health equity". The lifting of restrictions is now dependent on the number of cases reported in minorities communities, minorities being blacks and hispanics. Two groups that don't particularly adhere to some of the guidelines issued. So white people going to church etc are vilified as being irresponsible and selfish but when minorities do it they are somehow doing it because racism and oppression or something.

Rap events are often ignored even though they are packed and usually indoors.

In Los Angels there are party organizers that take over vacant buildings and hold large parties. The cops are unable or unwilling to do anything about it.

On a side note, the lockdown has resulted in record homicides in Los Angels, numbers not seen since 2009. Way to go Newsom ! :thumbsup:
 

ZiprHead

Loony Running The Asylum
Staff member
Desmond Swayne injects some reality during a debate in the commons;

Herd Stupidity

Twitter login, can't access without an account?

[TWEET]<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It is no good to say that "every other jurisdiction in the world is following basically the same policy". That would strike me as herd stupidity! <a href="https://t.co/hFjYcXODET">pic.twitter.com/hFjYcXODET</a></p>— Desmond Swayne (@DesmondSwayne) <a href="https://twitter.com/DesmondSwayne/status/1319298302538645504?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 22, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>[/TWEET]
 
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DBT

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I wonder if it's true what he said about death rate being consistent with the average for this time of year? That Covid has not raised death rate above average?

I have seen articles that claim that the average death rate in the US is running above average because of Covid....which should also be true for the UK. If so, it contradicts Swayne's remark.
 

Loren Pechtel

Super Moderator
Staff member
I wonder if it's true what he said about death rate being consistent with the average for this time of year? That Covid has not raised death rate above average?

I have seen articles that claim that the average death rate in the US is running above average because of Covid....which should also be true for the UK. If so, it contradicts Swayne's remark.

I haven't looked at the current data for other countries, the US is running far above normal--that's where the 300k figure comes from. That's how far above normal we are since this blew up.
 

TSwizzle

Contributor
More draconian and irrational restrictions imposed in Wales;

Wales' 17-day lockdown will start later, with the first minister saying the priority is about "saving lives not saving Christmas". From 18:00 BST people are being told to stay at home, with all but essential businesses closed. Economists have warned the lockdown may cost the economy more than £500m and the Conservatives have accused ministers of having "no exit plan". But the Welsh Government said any delay would have caused greater harm. Pubs, bars, restaurants and hotels, as well as all non-essential shops will have to close, with people being told only to travel for essential reasons, such as for medical treatment, to buy food and to exercise. The nationwide "firebreak", which comes after local lockdowns in communities, aims to slow the rise in Covid cases and hospital admissions.

BBC

The rules actually prevent stores from selling "non essential" goods even if available while you are buying a loaf of bread.

"Firebreak", "circuit break", more anti-science propaganda to add to the "ratlickers" and the quaint "covidiodts".
 

Keith&Co.

Contributor
The rules actually prevent stores from selling "non essential" goods even if available while you are buying a loaf of bread.
Yeah, our vommunity did that. Stores that sell, say, nothing but party supplies would be closed, making them unable to compete with a supermarket that also had a rack of party decorations beside the food, diapers, and anti-bacterial shaving cream.
 

Jimmy Higgins

Contributor
So, it appears the final message from the White House on Covid-19 is Fait Accompli.

artilce said:
A stunning White House claim that the US cannot control the fast-worsening pandemic is overshadowing President Donald Trump's frantic last-ditch bid to turn around his reelection race with Democrat Joe Biden with eight days to go.

The comments by White House chief of staff Mark Meadows on CNN on Sunday alarmed medical experts who argue that letting the coronavirus rage unchecked is akin to a policy of herd immunity that will cost many thousands of lives. But with daily new infections hitting record levels, Trump spent the weekend in a campaign blitz in which he openly flouted steps like masking and social distancing that could slow the spread of the disease and moaned that all the media talks about is "Covid, Covid, Covid."
"We are not going to control the pandemic," Meadows told CNN's Jake Tapper on "State of the Union" Sunday, arguing that "proper mitigation factors" like therapies and vaccines should be the priority.

Apparently, American Exceptionalism excludes competent management of a pandemic. We are lucky that Covid-19 isn't super deadly because... oh boy!

Or maybe more simplified, another way to take Mark Meadows statement in an accurate paraphrase:
Paraphrase Mark Meadows said:
The Trump Administration is not going to control the pandemic."
 

TSwizzle

Contributor
The world's number one soccer player (arguably) has vented his frustration at the Covid test, calling it bullshit;

Cristiano Ronaldo has expressed his frustration after a third positive Covid-19 test ruled him out of Juventus' UEFA Champions League clash with Barcelona and reportedly “feels like a beast forced to stay in cage.” The Juventus star took to Instagram on Wednesday to tell his 241 million followers he is “feeling good and healthy,” but added in a subsequent (and since-deleted) comment: “PCR IS BULLSHIT.”

He has continued to keep followers updated during his recovery, and last week appeared to be in good spirits as he worked on an exercise bike alone at home.

RTNews

In last night's game six of the World Series, Los Angeles Dodgers third baseman Justin Turner was taken out of the game during the 7th or 8th inning because his Covid test was positive but he was healthy enough to play the earlier innings and also celebrate the win on the field after the game.

A virus so lethal that a test is required to determine if the patient has it.
 

marc

Veteran Member
In memory of Typhoid Mary
Mary Mallon (September 23, 1869 – November 11, 1938), also known as Typhoid Mary, was an Irish-born cook believed to have infected 53 people with typhoid fever, three of whom died, and the first person in the United States identified as an asymptomatic carrier of the disease.
 

DBT

Contributor
The world's number one soccer player (arguably) has vented his frustration at the Covid test, calling it bullshit;

Cristiano Ronaldo has expressed his frustration after a third positive Covid-19 test ruled him out of Juventus' UEFA Champions League clash with Barcelona and reportedly “feels like a beast forced to stay in cage.” The Juventus star took to Instagram on Wednesday to tell his 241 million followers he is “feeling good and healthy,” but added in a subsequent (and since-deleted) comment: “PCR IS BULLSHIT.”

He has continued to keep followers updated during his recovery, and last week appeared to be in good spirits as he worked on an exercise bike alone at home.

RTNews

In last night's game six of the World Series, Los Angeles Dodgers third baseman Justin Turner was taken out of the game during the 7th or 8th inning because his Covid test was positive but he was healthy enough to play the earlier innings and also celebrate the win on the field after the game.

A virus so lethal that a test is required to determine if the patient has it.

What about the death rate being well above average? If over 200 thousand have died of C19 in the US to date, isn't that sufficient reason to take precautions?
 

TSwizzle

Contributor
What about the death rate being well above average? If over 200 thousand have died of C19 in the US to date, isn't that sufficient reason to take precautions?

200k ? Not hardly. Consigning people into crushing poverty from which they may never recover is not taking precautions. And there are other contributing factors to an above average death rate.
 

DBT

Contributor
What about the death rate being well above average? If over 200 thousand have died of C19 in the US to date, isn't that sufficient reason to take precautions?

200k ? Not hardly. Consigning people into crushing poverty from which they may never recover is not taking precautions. And there are other contributing factors to an above average death rate.

Which other factors account for 200k above average deaths over this period?
 

ZiprHead

Loony Running The Asylum
Staff member
Snowflake Alert

Poll Worker Cleared Out Building So GOP Candidate Could Vote Maskless, Now She’s Calling It “Bullying”

A South Carolina woman running for the House of Representatives made a fuss this week after an incident at the polls that started when she refused to wear a mask.

Jennifer Brecheisen shared video to her Facebook claiming she “got singled out and bullied big time” by a poll worker who reportedly offered her a mask when she and her husband showed up not wearing them.

When Brecheisen refused his offer, Earl Moore cleared out the voting room so that the couple could vote without potentially exposing others to COVID-19 if they’re infected without knowing it.
 

lpetrich

Contributor
I marvel at those who object to mask-wearing as an intolerable affront. Objecting to lockdowns I can understand, but objecting to masks???
 
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