Covid-19 miscellany

[DBT]

The story is that you see people driving alone in their cars while wearing masks.....who are they going to catch Covid from, themselves? Who are they going to pass it on to?

My boss has lost five masks taking them off and...no idea what happens. Probably fell out of the car when he got out, so someone thinks he's just littering.
He now wears them the entire time he's out-of-house. 'To get used to it,' he says, but it's really 'not to lose it because i can't shit one when necessary.'

Just hope he doesn't run his business so absent mindedly.....

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I thought people wearing them in their cars were crazy until yesterday. I found two who were transporting persons to/from the hospital...not sure if an uber driver or driver for some group of people. Anyway if you have a risky person in the car I don't think you want to stop wearing the mask in the car for some hours, even when alone.

One situation I saw was weirder to think about. Someone arrived at the hospital to pick someone up. They had their name in some kind of tablet. When they arrived to pick up the person they had a mask on in their vehicle. This makes the vehicle low risk and usable for transporting persons.

Obviously, not everyone you see wearing a mask alone in a car is an uber driver, but some are...

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Mask wearing gets out of hand when someone is walking in the park with no one close by, or driving on their own, is wearing a mask.

Or the person in the park has Leukemia or is a nurse or doctor and takes extra precautions. Simply put, you don't know their story, so presumption needs to drive off a cliff.

The story is that you see people driving alone in their cars while wearing masks.....who are they going to catch Covid from, themselves? Who are they going to pass it on to?

Are they going to a place after another and close by?

I mean yes, it is fun to judge people outside of knowing what they are doing or going through.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Mask wearing gets out of hand when someone is walking in the park with no one close by, or driving on their own, is wearing a mask.

I don't agree about being alone in a public space. If someone coughs a cluster can stay there for 3 hours up to 27 feet away from the spot. So, when you get out of your car in a parking lot, you should already have it on. And take it off after you get back in your car. In a park....if other people were there or will be there, you should wear it.

Huh? I do wear them if anyone is around but how does a cluster sit there for 3 hours 27 feet away???

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Mask wearing gets out of hand when someone is walking in the park with no one close by, or driving on their own, is wearing a mask.

This isn't evidence that it's out of hand.

Walk in the park--while I haven't been in a park since this started I do hike. If I'm heading up and truly alone my mask is pulled down. However, heading down it's not that big a deal, I don't always bother to remove it between encounters. I hike with poles which have to be put down to deal with my mask, it's just not worth bothering with.

Driving on their own--I've been guilty of this many times. If I'm making more than one stop reasonably closely spaced I'm not going to bother to remove my mask between stops. For short trips (and other than hiking most every trip is short) I probably put it on heading out the door and take it off when I get home.

 

[DBT]

Mask wearing gets out of hand when someone is walking in the park with no one close by, or driving on their own, is wearing a mask.

This isn't evidence that it's out of hand.

I was being flippant. Not intended to be taken absolutely literally. Wearing a face mask while driving on your own serves no purpose.

Are they going to a place after another and close by?

I mean yes, it is fun to judge people outside of knowing what they are doing or going through.

It doesn't matter where they are going or how far, it serves no purpose. It only takes a quick, simply action to pull the mask down for the sake of comfort.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Mask wearing gets out of hand when someone is walking in the park with no one close by, or driving on their own, is wearing a mask.

I don't agree about being alone in a public space. If someone coughs a cluster can stay there for 3 hours up to 27 feet away from the spot. So, when you get out of your car in a parking lot, you should already have it on. And take it off after you get back in your car. In a park....if other people were there or will be there, you should wear it.

Huh? I do wear them if anyone is around but how does a cluster sit there for 3 hours 27 feet away???

27 feet is the worst case distance for a sneeze. Here is an article on related study:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...s-mit-scientist-says/articleshow/74928356.cms

However, inside there is ventilation. Outside, there is wind. So, a mere cough outside with additional environmental factors can also go far.

A cough or sneeze is like a mini-cloud of vapor and little things small enough to bounce around on other little things. The virus may bounce around a short time or a long time. Before the coronavirus was even pandemic this was common knowledge in regard to flu and common cold. Here's an example about flu:
https://www.flu65plus.com/stories/can-flu-spread-through-air

It isn't expected to be that different. The virus isn't going to hit the ground in a second or two. 30 minutes, 1 hour, 3 hours...if I want to be risk averse, I would assume 3 hours.

Imagine, for example, Person A is jogging in the park with no mask, they cough to their right side. A brief gust of wind was present rightward to the person. Note the wind isn't even necessary...

Now, imagine 5 minutes later, person B is strolling in the park. They don't see anyone so they don't wear a mask. They walk a path parallel to the previous jogger, Person A...but they are 7 feet away to the right....perhaps on the opposite side of a wide public path.

Do you think Person B has 0.0% of walking through a cloud of cough? I'm going to claim it's more like 10%. I can't "prove" it but consider a cloud isn't an inch but more like a foot, two, or three....and if the center were randomly between 1 foot and 27 feet to the right of Person A, there's some approx 10% of this range where Person B's body comes into contact with the cloud.

Of course, there may be other environmental factors that destroy the clouds like heat, UV, strong winds, but in experiments sneezes can go 27 feet and virus can be in the air a long time. So, at a minimum, the 6 foot social distancing thing isn't 100% sure thing. It's a personal choice on how risk averse beyond that that people want to be.

 

[Jokodo]

I was being flippant. Not intended to be taken absolutely literally. Wearing a face mask while driving on your own serves no purpose.

Are they going to a place after another and close by?

I mean yes, it is fun to judge people outside of knowing what they are doing or going through.

It doesn't matter where they are going or how far, it serves no purpose. It only takes a quick, simply action to pull the mask down for the sake of comfort.

Are you judging them for finding the "quick, simply (sic!) action" more worrisome than taking the mask repeatedly on and off?

 

[DBT]

I was being flippant. Not intended to be taken absolutely literally. Wearing a face mask while driving on your own serves no purpose.

Are they going to a place after another and close by?

I mean yes, it is fun to judge people outside of knowing what they are doing or going through.

It doesn't matter where they are going or how far, it serves no purpose. It only takes a quick, simply action to pull the mask down for the sake of comfort.

Are you judging them for finding the "quick, simply (sic!) action" more worrisome than taking the mask repeatedly on and off?

I'm saying that it serves no purpose to wear a mask while driving a vehicle on your own. There is no risk to oneself or to others. It's comical. The effort it takes to slip it off (or down to the chin) is minimal, a trivial effort for a net gain in comfort at no risk.

 

[Jokodo]

Are you judging them for finding the "quick, simply (sic!) action" more worrisome than taking the mask repeatedly on and off?

I'm saying that it serves no purpose to wear a mask while driving a vehicle on your own. There is no risk to oneself or to others. It's comical. The effort it takes to slip it off (or down to the chin) is minimal, a trivial effort for a net gain in comfort at no risk.

That taking off the mask (and possibly disinfecting your hands to do so) when you have to put it it back on in a few minutes at your next stop is a "net gain in comfort" is your opinion, not an objective fact. Someone else may well consider it a net loss in comfort and time.

 

[DBT]

Are you judging them for finding the "quick, simply (sic!) action" more worrisome than taking the mask repeatedly on and off?

I'm saying that it serves no purpose to wear a mask while driving a vehicle on your own. There is no risk to oneself or to others. It's comical. The effort it takes to slip it off (or down to the chin) is minimal, a trivial effort for a net gain in comfort at no risk.

That taking off the mask (and possibly disinfecting your hands to do so) when you have to put it it back on in a few minutes at your next stop is a "net gain in comfort" is your opinion, not an objective fact. Someone else may well consider it a net loss in comfort and time.

If it is a few minutes, if people don't typically adjust their masks for various reasons, which I've seen happen....not to mention those who leave their noses exposed because the day is warm and the mask is stuffy.

 

[Jokodo]

That taking off the mask (and possibly disinfecting your hands to do so) when you have to put it it back on in a few minutes at your next stop is a "net gain in comfort" is your opinion, not an objective fact. Someone else may well consider it a net loss in comfort and time.

If it is a few minutes, if people don't typically adjust their masks for various reasons, which I've seen happen....not to mention those who leave their noses exposed because the day is warm and the mask is stuffy.

And of course, when you see a stranger in their, you know exactly that they dont have another scheduled stop in a few minutes, being omniscient and all?

 

[DBT]

That taking off the mask (and possibly disinfecting your hands to do so) when you have to put it it back on in a few minutes at your next stop is a "net gain in comfort" is your opinion, not an objective fact. Someone else may well consider it a net loss in comfort and time.

If it is a few minutes, if people don't typically adjust their masks for various reasons, which I've seen happen....not to mention those who leave their noses exposed because the day is warm and the mask is stuffy.

And of course, when you see a stranger in their, you know exactly that they dont have another scheduled stop in a few minutes, being omniscient and all?

Isn't it in the realm of possibility that I live a fair way out of town, that I may have cars in front or behind me for many kilometres with drivers wearing masks, hence I have no need for omniscience?

Is it not possible that it is you, not knowing my circumstances or references, who is making pedantic assumptions in order to score brownie points?

 

[Jokodo]

And of course, when you see a stranger in their, you know exactly that they dont have another scheduled stop in a few minutes, being omniscient and all?

Isn't it in the realm of possibility that I live a fair way out of town, that I may have cars in front or behind me for many kilometres with drivers wearing masks, hence I have no need for omniscience?

I don't know your anatomy, but exactly how are you checking a person's mask status from the car behind? That doesn't sound like keeping a safe distance...

 

[Keith&Co.]

The story is that you see people driving alone in their cars while wearing masks.....who are they going to catch Covid from, themselves? Who are they going to pass it on to?

My boss has lost five masks taking them off and...no idea what happens. Probably fell out of the car when he got out, so someone thinks he's just littering.
He now wears them the entire time he's out-of-house. 'To get used to it,' he says, but it's really 'not to lose it because i can't shit one when necessary.'

Just hope he doesn't run his business so absent mindedly.....

Well, he's had more than six months to develop those habits...

We still can't trust him to remember which end of the sub the torpedoes come out of, but he was a surface officer, so it's to be expected.

 

[DBT]

And of course, when you see a stranger in their, you know exactly that they dont have another scheduled stop in a few minutes, being omniscient and all?

Isn't it in the realm of possibility that I live a fair way out of town, that I may have cars in front or behind me for many kilometres with drivers wearing masks, hence I have no need for omniscience?

I don't know your anatomy, but exactly how are you checking a person's mask status from the car behind? That doesn't sound like keeping a safe distance...

Maybe the car in front was behind me, but happened to overtake in the other lane? Wow, could that possible? People never pass other drivers? No one ever looks in the rear view mirror? It's not possible to see the face of the driver in front reflected in their rear view mirror? Gosh, how one dimensional your world appears to be.....

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I don't know your anatomy, but exactly how are you checking a person's mask status from the car behind? That doesn't sound like keeping a safe distance...

Maybe the car in front was behind me, but happened to overtake in the other lane? Wow, could that possible? People never pass other drivers? No one ever looks in the rear view mirror? It's not possible to see the face of the driver in front reflected in their rear view mirror? Gosh, how one dimensional your world appears to be.....

How many are uber drivers?

 

[ZiprHead]

Huh? I do wear them if anyone is around but how does a cluster sit there for 3 hours 27 feet away???

27 feet is the worst case distance for a sneeze. Here is an article on related study:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...s-mit-scientist-says/articleshow/74928356.cms

However, inside there is ventilation. Outside, there is wind. So, a mere cough outside with additional environmental factors can also go far.

A cough or sneeze is like a mini-cloud of vapor and little things small enough to bounce around on other little things. The virus may bounce around a short time or a long time. Before the coronavirus was even pandemic this was common knowledge in regard to flu and common cold. Here's an example about flu:
https://www.flu65plus.com/stories/can-flu-spread-through-air

It isn't expected to be that different. The virus isn't going to hit the ground in a second or two. 30 minutes, 1 hour, 3 hours...if I want to be risk averse, I would assume 3 hours.

Imagine, for example, Person A is jogging in the park with no mask, they cough to their right side. A brief gust of wind was present rightward to the person. Note the wind isn't even necessary...

Now, imagine 5 minutes later, person B is strolling in the park. They don't see anyone so they don't wear a mask. They walk a path parallel to the previous jogger, Person A...but they are 7 feet away to the right....perhaps on the opposite side of a wide public path.

Do you think Person B has 0.0% of walking through a cloud of cough? I'm going to claim it's more like 10%. I can't "prove" it but consider a cloud isn't an inch but more like a foot, two, or three....and if the center were randomly between 1 foot and 27 feet to the right of Person A, there's some approx 10% of this range where Person B's body comes into contact with the cloud.

Of course, there may be other environmental factors that destroy the clouds like heat, UV, strong winds, but in experiments sneezes can go 27 feet and virus can be in the air a long time. So, at a minimum, the 6 foot social distancing thing isn't 100% sure thing. It's a personal choice on how risk averse beyond that that people want to be.

Does this take into account viral load?

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Huh? I do wear them if anyone is around but how does a cluster sit there for 3 hours 27 feet away???

27 feet is the worst case distance for a sneeze. Here is an article on related study:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...s-mit-scientist-says/articleshow/74928356.cms

However, inside there is ventilation. Outside, there is wind. So, a mere cough outside with additional environmental factors can also go far.

A cough or sneeze is like a mini-cloud of vapor and little things small enough to bounce around on other little things. The virus may bounce around a short time or a long time. Before the coronavirus was even pandemic this was common knowledge in regard to flu and common cold. Here's an example about flu:
https://www.flu65plus.com/stories/can-flu-spread-through-air

It isn't expected to be that different. The virus isn't going to hit the ground in a second or two. 30 minutes, 1 hour, 3 hours...if I want to be risk averse, I would assume 3 hours.

Imagine, for example, Person A is jogging in the park with no mask, they cough to their right side. A brief gust of wind was present rightward to the person. Note the wind isn't even necessary...

Now, imagine 5 minutes later, person B is strolling in the park. They don't see anyone so they don't wear a mask. They walk a path parallel to the previous jogger, Person A...but they are 7 feet away to the right....perhaps on the opposite side of a wide public path.

Do you think Person B has 0.0% of walking through a cloud of cough? I'm going to claim it's more like 10%. I can't "prove" it but consider a cloud isn't an inch but more like a foot, two, or three....and if the center were randomly between 1 foot and 27 feet to the right of Person A, there's some approx 10% of this range where Person B's body comes into contact with the cloud.

Of course, there may be other environmental factors that destroy the clouds like heat, UV, strong winds, but in experiments sneezes can go 27 feet and virus can be in the air a long time. So, at a minimum, the 6 foot social distancing thing isn't 100% sure thing. It's a personal choice on how risk averse beyond that that people want to be.

Does this take into account viral load?

I think it's statistics. Some sites refer to "half life" of the virus under these conditions. So, how much was expelled, how long ago, how spread out are factors. Over time, you should expect viral load to be less probabilistically.

Along those lines, if you wear a mask and you are the receiver (Person B), on average, you get less viral load. Less severity. If you are the cougher (Person A) and you are wraring a mask, you are decreasing probability Person B will get it.

Everyone should really follow the guidelines. If someone wants to do more, it's up to them. In my case, I want to take less risks than the CDC allows for. I have chronic respiratory issues and my wife is diabetic. So, I hardly go out. I don't think people should judge me on that using CDC guidelines as a baseline. The guidelines are imperfect and a cultural norm.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/white...coronavirus-face-masks-to-every-home?ref=home

In April, as the coronavirus pandemic was killing thousands of Americans and the U.S. surgeon general was teaching people how to make face masks with rubber bands, the United States Postal Service had come up with a plan to distribute 650 million masks, enough for five per house. USPS leaders had even drafted a press release ready to go out, according to nearly 10,000 pages of emails, memos and other USPS materials obtained by The Washington Post. But the White House scrapped the plan out of concern that “households receiving masks might create concern or panic,” an administration official told the Post. Instead, the Department of Health and Human Services distributed 650 million reusable cotton masks to critical industries, healthcare facilities, schools, and community organizations.

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