Cultural appropriation mythicists start to eat their own

[KeepTalking]

The larger mystery is why anyone still uses Yahoo!

Good point re Yahoo, KT

As to the topic, I tend to be on the side of FTF is "cultural appropriation" and why is it a bad thing in most cases, but I have to say - that costume is creepy. Wearing tattooed "skin" as a costume? Yuck.

Fake tattoo sleeves have been a thing for a few years now. This is just an extension of that. I think wearing something like that, or the tattoo sleeves is understandable as a Halloween costume, it's the people that I see wearing fake tattoo sleeves to concerts that I don't get. I guess it makes them think they look cool or, tough, or something, but it really just outs them as a poser.

 

[RavenSky]

Good point re Yahoo, KT

As to the topic, I tend to be on the side of FTF is "cultural appropriation" and why is it a bad thing in most cases, but I have to say - that costume is creepy. Wearing tattooed "skin" as a costume? Yuck.

Fake tattoo sleeves have been a thing for a few years now. This is just an extension of that. I think wearing something like that, or the tattoo sleeves is understandable as a Halloween costume, it's the people that I see wearing fake tattoo sleeves to concerts that I don't get. I guess it makes them think they look cool or, tough, or something, but it really just outs them as a poser.

offs I just googled that and you are right! What the hell are people thinking

 

[dismal]

but I have to say - that costume is creepy. Wearing tattooed "skin" as a costume? Yuck.

Creepy it may be, but "creepy" not equal "offensive because it was appropriated from a historically oppressed culture".

 

[blastula]

This topic reminds me of fanboys who resent it when their favorite band makes it big.

 

[Metaphor]

This topic reminds me of fanboys who resent it when their favorite band makes it big.

That's because their band has sold out, man, and the new 'fans' are teenagers who don't understand real music.

 

[tantric]

So somebody named Zipporah Gene wrote Black America, please stop appropriating African clothing and tribal marks. She takes to task black Americans who try to wear African clothing or styles, calling it -- drumroll -- cultural appropriation.

So Julia Craven ignores the progressive stack pecking order and decides it is not possible for black Americans to appropriate African culture.

Even everydayfeminism, a site that is so loony toons it has proclaimed that hating racism supports racism, eating food is racist, and learning languages is racist, even everydayfeminism bristles at the idea that black Americans could possibly do anything so crass as cultural appropriation.

this is kind of amusing. i speak swahili. the word for gringo/gaijin is mzungu/wazungu (sing/plural). it has nothing to do with skintone - all americans are wazungu. in haitian creole/kreyol, 'neg' rather than meaning black, meaning 'person/native of haiti', also without regard to skincolor whereas 'il pale franse' rather than 'he speaking french' means 'he's being deceptive'.

i'm writing a book on bantu mythology and legends. i speak swahili and am familiar with shona and zulu. i know more about mother africa in my little finger than most african americans will know in their lifetimes. yet my fantasy was called racist because it features a race of sapient mandrills/baboons, and any book on africa that has talking monkeys is inherently offensive. wazungu wanawake haramu wa fisi.

 

[bleubird]

Where I live it is an unspoken taboo for a non Natives to wear Ak Native regalia unless invited to do so. I like the art and mythology,but ,would never try to make a profit form it.That is the way it is,and seems to work for the most part.

 

[Metaphor]

So somebody named Zipporah Gene wrote Black America, please stop appropriating African clothing and tribal marks. She takes to task black Americans who try to wear African clothing or styles, calling it -- drumroll -- cultural appropriation.

So Julia Craven ignores the progressive stack pecking order and decides it is not possible for black Americans to appropriate African culture.

Even everydayfeminism, a site that is so loony toons it has proclaimed that hating racism supports racism, eating food is racist, and learning languages is racist, even everydayfeminism bristles at the idea that black Americans could possibly do anything so crass as cultural appropriation.

this is kind of amusing. i speak swahili. the word for gringo/gaijin is mzungu/wazungu (sing/plural). it has nothing to do with skintone - all americans are wazungu. in haitian creole/kreyol, 'neg' rather than meaning black, meaning 'person/native of haiti', also without regard to skincolor whereas 'il pale franse' rather than 'he speaking french' means 'he's being deceptive'.

i'm writing a book on bantu mythology and legends. i speak swahili and am familiar with shona and zulu. i know more about mother africa in my little finger than most african americans will know in their lifetimes. yet my fantasy was called racist because it features a race of sapient mandrills/baboons, and any book on africa that has talking monkeys is inherently offensive. wazungu wanawake haramu wa fisi.

Those who whine about cultural appropriation would kill literature if they could get away with it, or at least leave it sterile and unreadable. The social justice era will not produce a memorable novel, play or poem, unless it’s a satire at the movement’s expense.

 

[Derec]

I think we may be approaching peak idiocy regarding cultural appropriation.
Niki Ashton, NDP leadership candidate, capitulates to Black Lives Matter by deleting Beyonce-themed tweet
Quoting Beyonce lyrics is cultural appropriation apparently.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

I think we may be approaching peak idiocy regarding cultural appropriation.
Niki Ashton, NDP leadership candidate, capitulates to Black Lives Matter by deleting Beyonce-themed tweet
Quoting Beyonce lyrics is cultural appropriation apparently.

Well, fuck that bitch. She's not Norwegian and she should stop trying to pretend that she is.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

That is more than a little embarrassing right there, and more than a little pathetic. The NDP should be the viable option the Liberals and against the Conservatives... but they do stupid things like this far too often. That only leaves me with the Green Party, and they are not great either.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

That is more than a little embarrassing right there, and more than a little pathetic. The NDP should be the viable option the Liberals and against the Conservatives... but they do stupid things like this far too often. That only leaves me with the Green Party, and they are not great either.

Well, there's a strong movement on the left which feels that eating their own over trivialities is far more important than actually doing something to be a viable alternative to right wing organizations. It's the same phenomenon which causes the right wing to have their ideologies based upon bullet points and catch phrases without any analysis of what's behind them. Style over substance is what matters and "being sensitive to cultural appropriation" is a good checkbox to have said you ticked off and the actual details of the issue are of tertiary importance at best.

 

[KeepTalking]

That is more than a little embarrassing right there, and more than a little pathetic. The NDP should be the viable option the Liberals and against the Conservatives... but they do stupid things like this far too often. That only leaves me with the Green Party, and they are not great either.

Well, there's a strong movement on the left which feels that eating their own over trivialities is far more important than actually doing something to be a viable alternative to right wing organizations. It's the same phenomenon which causes the right wing to have their ideologies based upon bullet points and catch phrases without any analysis of what's behind them. Style over substance is what matters and "being sensitive to cultural appropriation" is a good checkbox to have said you ticked off and the actual details of the issue are of tertiary importance at best.

Kind of like what JP just did? He is now refusing to vote for the NDP because of this trivial social media bullshit, rather than voting based on their positions. I guess he better hope that no Green party candidates do anything similar, or he will have to stay home come election day.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Well, there's a strong movement on the left which feels that eating their own over trivialities is far more important than actually doing something to be a viable alternative to right wing organizations. It's the same phenomenon which causes the right wing to have their ideologies based upon bullet points and catch phrases without any analysis of what's behind them. Style over substance is what matters and "being sensitive to cultural appropriation" is a good checkbox to have said you ticked off and the actual details of the issue are of tertiary importance at best.

Kind of like what JP just did? He is now refusing to vote for the NDP because of this trivial social media bullshit, rather than voting based on their positions. I guess he better hope that no Green party candidates do anything similar, or he will have to stay home come election day.

Yes. While there is a difference between saying "I am a useless coward who doesn't know my ass from a hole in the ground" and "I don't support you because you're a useless coward who doesn't know her ass from a hole in the ground", it is an example of throwing away the good because it's not the perfect and the only person helped are those he's support less.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Well, there's a strong movement on the left which feels that eating their own over trivialities is far more important than actually doing something to be a viable alternative to right wing organizations. It's the same phenomenon which causes the right wing to have their ideologies based upon bullet points and catch phrases without any analysis of what's behind them. Style over substance is what matters and "being sensitive to cultural appropriation" is a good checkbox to have said you ticked off and the actual details of the issue are of tertiary importance at best.

Kind of like what JP just did? He is now refusing to vote for the NDP because of this trivial social media bullshit, rather than voting based on their positions. I guess he better hope that no Green party candidates do anything similar, or he will have to stay home come election day.

It isn't just this, KeepTalking. They do all sorts of stupid things, from Rae Days to supporting union salting to this. My main issue with the NDP is actually the blind support of unions, which is a different issue up here in Canada than it is down in the US. In the US I would actually support unions and say they lack power. Up here though, it is ridiculously slanted towards them and they regularly abuse their own members, force unions into places where the workers don't want them etc. We recently saw a company get a union in because 2 temps showed up on a weekend and signed cards. None of the regular workers signed cards, and they can't now get rid of the union without going through a long process that will take them years. They will pay excessive union dues in the meantime and be saddled with other union rules. Union dues can and have even been used to make contributions to political parties (the NDP mostly) that the workers may (and many do) strongly oppose.

 

[ronburgundy]

You'd have to be a different culture, an oppressing culture, and the target would have to be oppressed for it to be cultural appropriation. Are Black Americans oppressing Africans?

Well since no one is "an oppressing culture", the precludes anyone from ever being guilty of cultural appropriation. Unless of course you meant "you have to have the same skin color as other people who have created a culture of oppression", in which case the concept of cultural appropriation is itself completely racist.

 

[J842P]

You'd have to be a different culture, an oppressing culture, and the target would have to be oppressed for it to be cultural appropriation. Are Black Americans oppressing Africans?

Well, African Americans are Americans, and America culture oppresses third-world cultures.

So yea, Black Americans could definitely be said to be oppressive towards Africans...

Or you could just not try to fit the world into the bullshit cultural/sociological theories that pass as scholarship these days being produced by cultural studies departments.

 

[Arctish]

Interesting article on the appropriation and alt-use of artistic works:

How Pepe the frog and Dilbert explain the culture wars of the 2016 election, in one comic

It's the same issue as the complaints re: cultural appropriation in the OP, but on a smaller scale.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Isn't anybody "of colour" wearing western style clothing cultural appropriation of the west? Not to mention liberal religion, eating at McDonalds, governments that aren't corrupt, any popular music or watching any Hollywood films.

I'm so offended now. All these years I too have have ample reason to be offended, and never knew.

 

[Arctish]

Isn't anybody "of colour" wearing western style clothing cultural appropriation of the west?

Depends on if they're wearing western styles because their native clothes aren't considered "work appropriate" in the western dominated world economy, or if they admire western fashion sensibilities and want to adopt them, or if they don't respect western culture but like running bits of it through a schlock mill for shits and giggles.