Dancing in streets as Aleppo liberated from US backed terrorists

[Harry Bosch]

Clearly a game. Putin only got agressively involved in Syria after calling US red line bluff, capitalizing on weakness.

This is pretty basic game theory stuff dude.

Nonsense. Russia has clear geopolitical interest in that region. Imagine if a military coup in Central America devolved into a civil war that pitted one side of fanatical Catholic separatists who had a history of performing terrorist attacks on American soil against the government (which had an alliance with the US). OF COURSE the USA would become involved. The only reason the USA cares about Syria is sticking a thumb in Russia's eye, and doing Saudi Arabia's dirty work to keep them complacent. It's nuts. The Russians are on the right side here: Iran/Syria/Shia versus Saudi Arabia/Sunni.

I think that the US is on the losing side for sure. But I'm not sure if we're on the "wrong side". The Sunnis represent 80% of Syria. What gives Assad the right to deny them their freedom. Might makes right? Might does make winning or losing though. I think that we should withdraw entirely from the ME. But it's a very sad situation. Hard to imagine anyone so cold that they would cheer the pounding of civilians.

 

[whichphilosophy]

If Russia and the US were working together in a constructive manner this FUBAR could have been resolved in a more constructive way.

 

[Trausti]

 

[barbos]

Nonsense. Russia has clear geopolitical interest in that region. Imagine if a military coup in Central America devolved into a civil war that pitted one side of fanatical Catholic separatists who had a history of performing terrorist attacks on American soil against the government (which had an alliance with the US). OF COURSE the USA would become involved. The only reason the USA cares about Syria is sticking a thumb in Russia's eye, and doing Saudi Arabia's dirty work to keep them complacent. It's nuts. The Russians are on the right side here: Iran/Syria/Shia versus Saudi Arabia/Sunni.

I think that the US is on the losing side for sure. But I'm not sure if we're on the "wrong side". The Sunnis represent 80% of Syria. What gives Assad the right to deny them their freedom. Might makes right? Might does make winning or losing though. I think that we should withdraw entirely from the ME. But it's a very sad situation. Hard to imagine anyone so cold that they would cheer the pounding of civilians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Spring#Bahrain
Shiites are majority there and yet US helped squash these rebels. And Assad does not deny sunni's freedom he maintains pretty secular state.

 

[barbos]

If Russia and the US were working together in a constructive manner this FUBAR could have been resolved in a more constructive way.

Why would US wanna do that? The whole goal of US foreign policy revolves around hurting Russia by any means possible. Syria is just one of the tools in this.

 

[barbos]

What are you smoking? Sounds like some good stuff. HRW and Amnesty Int'l does not change its conclusions based on who did the bombing.

You need to read more carefully.

But I haven't seen what the HRW and Amnesty said about Raqqa. Maybe you could inform us. but I have seen how the U.S. Media reported on both

It's almost as if US had some kind of influence over these organizations.

 

[laughing dog]

If Russia and the US were working together in a constructive manner this FUBAR could have been resolved in a more constructive way.

Why would US wanna do that? The whole goal of US foreign policy revolves around hurting Russia by any means possible.

Bullshit. The world does not revolve around Russia. Never has, and probably never will, no matter had badly Russians wish to believe it.

 

[Tigers!]

Yes, the Russian-backed terrorists beat the US backed terrorists in clearing Aleppo of the fighting.

The Russians were invited in by the elected government. America has been illegally supporting the "rebels" , or al Nusra (al qaeda).

Since the Syrians have never had a free elections in decades there is no such thing as an elected Syrian Govt. More just a dynastic non-monarchical rule.

 

[barbos]

The Russians were invited in by the elected government. America has been illegally supporting the "rebels" , or al Nusra (al qaeda).

Since the Syrians have never had a free elections in decades there is no such thing as an elected Syrian Govt. More just a dynastic non-monarchical rule.

My irony meter is melting.
They had elections couple of years ago. You can of course claim they were not free, but at least they had elections, unlike US friends in Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Kuwait, UAE and other shitholes. And yes, Iran had elections too.

 

[laughing dog]

Since the Syrians have never had a free elections in decades there is no such thing as an elected Syrian Govt. More just a dynastic non-monarchical rule.

My irony meter is melting.
They had elections couple of years ago. You can of course claim they were not free, but at least they had elections, unlike US friends in Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Kuwait, UAE and other shitholes. And yes, Iran had elections too.

Interestingly, Iran's elections were freer than Syria's.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The Syrians used chemical weapons on civilians.

You government told you they did use Sarin but that was debunked.
https://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/pdf/possible-implications-of-bad-intelligence.pdf

That "rebuttal" appears to be a powerpoint converted to PDF, the heart of the rebuttal is the claim that the rockets couldn't fly far enough--they are using their own calculations to come up with a much lower range for the Grad rockets than the values I find elsewhere on the web and even in the document they're taking their data from.

Who are we to believe? A site which appears to sometimes simply repeat propaganda pieces or widely published performance data on a weapon that has been around for half a century? Their data could be right if the warheads were much heavier than the standard HE warhead a Grad mounts but why should we think that? Serin has almost exactly the same density as TNT.

 

[barbos]

Red line fiasco was a classical case of US not thinking before opening their mouth and producing sounds.
Obama made his "great" redline speech in which he promised to put the blame for any future usage of chemical weapons on Assad and Assad alone. After that it was a matter of time before Saudis organized chemical attack. Even after US intelligence admitted that Assad forces appeared as surprised as anyone they kept blaming Assad. In reality Saudi and/or Bahrain intelligence was responsible for the attack, Most likely they bribed some low ranks in Syrian army to fire few shots, probably provided weapons themselves.

 

[Will Wiley]

Who are we to believe? .

A former UN weapons inspector and a professor of science or you?
Obviously not you

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The Russians were invited in by the elected government. America has been illegally supporting the "rebels" , or al Nusra (al qaeda).

Since the Syrians have never had a free elections in decades there is no such thing as an elected Syrian Govt. More just a dynastic non-monarchical rule.

What about the people of Aleppo. the same people who had enormous pro Assad demonstrations in 2012.
Here they are on the ground today.

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=7vF_3J3G-cY[/YOUTUBE]

https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=7vF_3J3G-cY

 

[Will Wiley]

Nonsense. Russia has clear geopolitical interest in that region. Imagine if a military coup in Central America devolved into a civil war that pitted one side of fanatical Catholic separatists who had a history of performing terrorist attacks on American soil against the government (which had an alliance with the US). OF COURSE the USA would become involved. The only reason the USA cares about Syria is sticking a thumb in Russia's eye, and doing Saudi Arabia's dirty work to keep them complacent. It's nuts. The Russians are on the right side here: Iran/Syria/Shia versus Saudi Arabia/Sunni.

I think that the US is on the losing side for sure. But I'm not sure if we're on the "wrong side". The Sunnis represent 80% of Syria. What gives Assad the right to deny them their freedom.

Thank you for that bigoted stereotype of people born into the Sunni sect

 

[laughing dog]

I think that the US is on the losing side for sure. But I'm not sure if we're on the "wrong side". The Sunnis represent 80% of Syria. What gives Assad the right to deny them their freedom.

Thank you for that bigoted stereotype of people born into the Sunni sect

You need to explain why you think that post has a bigoted stereotype of anyone, let alone the Sunnis.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

A former UN weapons inspector and a professor of science or you?
Obviously not you

Look up the range of a Grad rocket. It's not exactly hard to find.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I think that the US is on the losing side for sure. But I'm not sure if we're on the "wrong side". The Sunnis represent 80% of Syria. What gives Assad the right to deny them their freedom.

Thank you for that bigoted stereotype of people born into the Sunni sect

Where is there a description of any group here, let alone a stereotype, let alone a bigoted one?

 

[crispy]

Lol, yeah right. I'm sure the Sunnis (80% of the pop there is Sunni) just can't wait to be ruled by the ruthless Shia dictator Assad and Shia Iran.

If you believe this, well, what was it that Voltaire said about those who can make you believe absurdities?

To be honest, how would you feel if you had lived in Aleppo and the fighting had stopped?

 

[Axulus]

Lol, yeah right. I'm sure the Sunnis (80% of the pop there is Sunni) just can't wait to be ruled by the ruthless Shia dictator Assad and Shia Iran.

If you believe this, well, what was it that Voltaire said about those who can make you believe absurdities?

To be honest, how would you feel if you had lived in Aleppo and the fighting had stopped?

Well, about 20% of the population isn't Sunni, so perhaps there is some support for Assad amongst that group.

No, I don't see much reason for the 80% sunni population to celebrate being under the thumb of Iran and Assad, whom you know will want payback against the Sunnis for this war.

We can look forward to frequent terrorist attacks against Assad and a severe curtailment of rights of the Sunnis, which will fuel yet more terrorism.

 

[Horatio Parker]

Putin wants to own Syria, let him.

We can't back the opposition without aiding our enemies, oh well.