Dancing in streets as Aleppo liberated from US backed terrorists

[Horatio Parker]

If the opposition refuses the ceasefire (which I'm sure at least part of it will, because the insurgents are not a monolithic whole), it will still be a conflict that can be contained because after Aleppo the only territory they can hold is the countryside and time is on Assad's side. It will not be as big of a drain on resources as the war has been thus far.

We'll see. I remember similar optimistic outlooks in 2003...

 

[Jayjay]

If the opposition refuses the ceasefire (which I'm sure at least part of it will, because the insurgents are not a monolithic whole), it will still be a conflict that can be contained because after Aleppo the only territory they can hold is the countryside and time is on Assad's side. It will not be as big of a drain on resources as the war has been thus far.

We'll see. I remember similar optimistic outlooks in 2003...

The US had a problem with both civilian and its own casualties causing bad press at home and elsewhere in the world. Russia doesn't give a fuck, so it'll be cheaper. A lot cheaper.

 

[barbos]

We'll see. I remember similar optimistic outlooks in 2003...

The US had a problem with both civilian and its own casualties causing bad press at home and elsewhere in the world. Russia doesn't give a fuck, so it'll be cheaper. A lot cheaper.

ISIS was to a large degree a fault of Iraqi dysfunctional government. US contributed of course but in the end it was mostly their fault.
I think Assad has better control a least to control things internally. But he needs help to isolate from shit coming from Iraq.
And Turkey must cooperate of course.

 

[Will Wiley]

We'll see. I remember similar optimistic outlooks in 2003...

The US had a problem with both civilian and its own casualties causing bad press at home and elsewhere in the world. Russia doesn't give a fuck, so it'll be cheaper. A lot cheaper.

Thank you for your racism and bigotry.

After all Russians are suhuman, and the US state dept wont deny it.

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBy7tQ124Fk[/YOUTUBE]


But we need this sort of crap if we are to have a war.

 

[whichphilosophy]

The US had a problem with both civilian and its own casualties causing bad press at home and elsewhere in the world. Russia doesn't give a fuck, so it'll be cheaper. A lot cheaper.

ISIS was to a large degree a fault of Iraqi dysfunctional government. US contributed of course but in the end it was mostly their fault.
I think Assad has better control a least to control things internally. But he needs help to isolate from shit coming from Iraq.
And Turkey must cooperate of course.

If the US government decided to enter into friendly discourse with the Russians to work out a solution I am sure they can both have more influence over the current situation.

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We'll see. I remember similar optimistic outlooks in 2003...

The US had a problem with both civilian and its own casualties causing bad press at home and elsewhere in the world. Russia doesn't give a fuck, so it'll be cheaper. A lot cheaper.

As if the US cares even more considering it is the cause of this.

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The insurgency could start again with more funding from the US or ISIS may continue its advance. The US and Russia should be working together to close out this war but are not.

Why should the US work with Assad? Neither side makes an appealing ally.

Let it sap Iran and Russia.

Seems to me another Iraq, except in Syria the Shia are the minority running everything. How'd that work out?

We wasted years in Iraq, let Russia blow a trillion dollars fighting Islamic terrorism.

It's also costing the US trillions.

 

[Harry Bosch]

The insurgency could start again with more funding from the US or ISIS may continue its advance. The US and Russia should be working together to close out this war but are not.

Why should the US work with Assad? Neither side makes an appealing ally.

Let it sap Iran and Russia.

Seems to me another Iraq, except in Syria the Shia are the minority running everything. How'd that work out?

We wasted years in Iraq, let Russia blow a trillion dollars fighting Islamic terrorism.

I think that you're spot on.

 

[Elixir]

Why should the US work with Assad? Neither side makes an appealing ally.

Let it sap Iran and Russia.

Seems to me another Iraq, except in Syria the Shia are the minority running everything. How'd that work out?

We wasted years in Iraq, let Russia blow a trillion dollars fighting Islamic terrorism.

I think that you're spot on.

I agree. We should spend on more imminent threats, such as:

1. Television: TV might be linked to earlier deaths among those who watch more than a few hours a day, but more concretely, the devices themselves kill 176 people a year. Literally. They fall on people. That’s 55 times more deaths than Islamic terror claims annually.

I think that number is on the decline due to flat screens' more aerodynamic qualities, but still - 55x the threat of terrorism? We MUST do something!

 

[Horatio Parker]

The US had a problem with both civilian and its own casualties causing bad press at home and elsewhere in the world. Russia doesn't give a fuck, so it'll be cheaper. A lot cheaper.

ISIS was to a large degree a fault of Iraqi dysfunctional government. US contributed of course but in the end it was mostly their fault.
I think Assad has better control a least to control things internally. But he needs help to isolate from shit coming from Iraq.
And Turkey must cooperate of course.

It's academic, but I would how Saddam would've fared through the Arab Spring. The situation may've turned out similar to what we have.

I don't think Turkey will help.

 

[Horatio Parker]

The US had a problem with both civilian and its own casualties causing bad press at home and elsewhere in the world. Russia doesn't give a fuck, so it'll be cheaper. A lot cheaper.

Only if their involvement is very low; like the US in Iraq currently. But if their commitment remains high, and a quagmire ensues, my money says it will be a political liability for Putin.

And, in such a situation, it makes sense to crowd Russia further in the Baltic.

I'm not suggesting thats a good idea, but there is a geopolitical logic.

 

[Horatio Parker]

It's also costing the US trillions.

True, but 1) we're spending it anyway and 2) we can better afford it.

 

[Axulus]

What are you smoking? Sounds like some good stuff. HRW and Amnesty Int'l does not change its conclusions based on who did the bombing.

You need to read more carefully.

But I haven't seen what the HRW and Amnesty said about Raqqa. Maybe you could inform us. but I have seen how the U.S. Media reported on both

Read this article written by Amnesty's International Director for Research.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/16/opinions/aleppo-international-system-failed/

Here is an Amnesty report calling US ally actions in Syria a war crime:

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...lys-razing-of-villages-amounts-to-war-crimes/

Also, can you please point to the wanton bombing of civilian buildings in Raqqa by the US, in a similar matter as what has been happening in Aleppo, that you are referring to? I'm unfamiliar with that story.

The US bombing of a hospital in Afghanistan was a major story covered by the media a while back, with several organizations laying out the war crime charge:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunduz_hospital_airstrike

 

[skepticalbip]

It's also costing the US trillions.

True, but 1) we're spending it anyway and 2) we can better afford it.

The difference being we are spending it on destroying things and killing people in the ME rather than solving problems within the US.

 

[Horatio Parker]

True, but 1) we're spending it anyway and 2) we can better afford it.

The difference being we are spending it on destroying things and killing people in the ME rather than solving problems within the US.

No doubt. I'm observing, not advocating.

 

[skepticalbip]

You need to read more carefully.

But I haven't seen what the HRW and Amnesty said about Raqqa. Maybe you could inform us. but I have seen how the U.S. Media reported on both

Read this article written by Amnesty's International Director for Research.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/16/opinions/aleppo-international-system-failed/

Here is an Amnesty report calling US ally actions in Syria a war crime:

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...lys-razing-of-villages-amounts-to-war-crimes/

Also, can you please point to the wanton bombing of civilian buildings in Raqqa by the US, in a similar matter as what has been happening in Aleppo, that you are referring to? I'm unfamiliar with that story.

The US bombing of a hospital in Afghanistan was a major story covered by the media a while back, with several organizations laying out the war crime charge:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunduz_hospital_airstrike

I don't really care to chase your red herring. My post that you responded to was about US Media propaganda. Reality is that when cities with populations of civilians are bombed, civilians die.

Here is the original post and your response:

The coverage of the mess in Syria by the U.S. media is far from objective. It flaunts its bias if not propaganda. The U.S., Russian, and Syrian bombing of Raqqa was reported as liberating the people of the city from Islamist radicals even though the population was being held as shields just as they were in Aleppo. However, the Russian and Syrian bombing of Aleppo is covered as a war crime. The only difference is which Islamist radical group is holding the city and whether or not the U.S. is in on the bombing.

What are you smoking? Sounds like some good stuff. HRW and Amnesty Int'l does not change its conclusions based on who did the bombing.

 

[Axulus]

Read this article written by Amnesty's International Director for Research.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/16/opinions/aleppo-international-system-failed/

Here is an Amnesty report calling US ally actions in Syria a war crime:

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...lys-razing-of-villages-amounts-to-war-crimes/

Also, can you please point to the wanton bombing of civilian buildings in Raqqa by the US, in a similar matter as what has been happening in Aleppo, that you are referring to? I'm unfamiliar with that story.

The US bombing of a hospital in Afghanistan was a major story covered by the media a while back, with several organizations laying out the war crime charge:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunduz_hospital_airstrike

I don't really care to chase your red herring. My post that you responded to was about US Media propaganda. Reality is that when cities with populations of civilians are bombed, civilians die.

Here is the original post and your response:

The coverage of the mess in Syria by the U.S. media is far from objective. It flaunts its bias if not propaganda. The U.S., Russian, and Syrian bombing of Raqqa was reported as liberating the people of the city from Islamist radicals even though the population was being held as shields just as they were in Aleppo. However, the Russian and Syrian bombing of Aleppo is covered as a war crime. The only difference is which Islamist radical group is holding the city and whether or not the U.S. is in on the bombing.

What are you smoking? Sounds like some good stuff. HRW and Amnesty Int'l does not change its conclusions based on who did the bombing.

Not a red herring. You need to back up with sources what you are talking about. Please demonstrate the US wanton bombing of civilian infrastructure that was dismissed by US media.

 

[Jayjay]

True, but 1) we're spending it anyway and 2) we can better afford it.

The difference being we are spending it on destroying things and killing people in the ME rather than solving problems within the US.

Do you realize that "it" in this conversation refers to a country's military budget? What do you think Russia does with its army, solve problems in Russia?

 

[Harry Bosch]

You need to read more carefully.

But I haven't seen what the HRW and Amnesty said about Raqqa. Maybe you could inform us. but I have seen how the U.S. Media reported on both

Read this article written by Amnesty's International Director for Research.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/16/opinions/aleppo-international-system-failed/

Here is an Amnesty report calling US ally actions in Syria a war crime:

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...lys-razing-of-villages-amounts-to-war-crimes/

Also, can you please point to the wanton bombing of civilian buildings in Raqqa by the US, in a similar matter as what has been happening in Aleppo, that you are referring to? I'm unfamiliar with that story.

The US bombing of a hospital in Afghanistan was a major story covered by the media a while back, with several organizations laying out the war crime charge:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunduz_hospital_airstrike

As an aside, thank your for promoting strong opinions that are backed with links and evidence. I wish everyone would do the same.......

 

[skepticalbip]

The difference being we are spending it on destroying things and killing people in the ME rather than solving problems within the US.

Do you realize that "it" in this conversation refers to a country's military budget? What do you think Russia does with its army, solve problems in Russia?

The budget for our excursions in the ME is from specific funding bills passed by Congress, not baseline military funding. If Congress appropriates funds for such operations then that is funds not available for domestic concerns.

 

[barbos]

The difference being we are spending it on destroying things and killing people in the ME rather than solving problems within the US.

Do you realize that "it" in this conversation refers to a country's military budget? What do you think Russia does with its army, solve problems in Russia?

It solves problem with terrorism.

 

[Trausti]

Shit just got real.

Russian ambassador to Turkey dies after being shot in Turkish capital