Dear iidb: Guy babbling about Christ, evolution, and the big bang.

[Jarhyn]

What form of publishing would it look like

Why should we care? It could be a thing from materialization of a book from nothing and for no apparent mechanical reason on the birth of every new human being.

It could be something like the burn-in of data on a CD, where are a specific point in time we just have the knowledge written from mysterious sources directly on our brains.

It doesn't matter what it looks like, so long as there is no material structural link that actually connects the apparent cause (birth) to the apparent effect (materialization).

The fact that nothing like that actually happens, instead with reality happening more as would be expected if the lot of it were no more than a book of human fantasies means that it is more likely "no more than a book of human fantasies".

Strange as it may seem to you. I haven't joined any Christian site at all. Thinking about it now...I'm wondering why not?

Honestly if you had come here from such a community, you probably would have ended up getting banned a very long time ago.

This is because the motives held by someone from such a community entering a community like this one as an "outsider with an established home elsewhere" would and generally does treat their excursions here more like a campaign or series of battles/attacks rather than as an opportunity to build friendships or have real discussions.

The result is that they promptly end up doing the things that get them banned: one-sided proselytizing and PRATT spamming.

Worse, those communities encourage that kind of unacceptable behavior by hyping the false solidity of their arguments and then generating angry frustration when that inevitably turns out to not be the case.

 

[bilby]

You can't really argue with someone, however, once they have abandoned reason...

Then why is the "A Revolution in Thought" thread nearly eight thousand posts long and still going?

 

[WAB]

*bites tongue*

 

[steve_bank]

Reason must be very lonely, always being abandoned and left behind.

 

[southernhybrid]

I have a few thoughts and one question for Learner.

First of all, I have no problem with Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists etc. I do think that JW's are a bit mean since they cut their friends and family members out of their lives if the person leaves their cult. They do at least care for their own people when they become dependent and old. As a former home health nurse, I've seen that for myself. And, of course there are some other extremist cults, but that's enough of that.

I have Christian friends who never try to convince me to become a Christian and I never try to convince them to leave their religion, even if it's just mythology to me. Some people obviously need some myths in their lives. As long as they use it for good, no problem.

But, I was raised in an evangelical Christian home and the vast majority of the adults in the church who I was forced to attend were mean, judgmental jerks. My mom was an exception although she did believe the hateful hell fire and damnation in her Holy Book.

So, here's the question for Learner. What does it mean to you when you say that Jesus is your savior? What is he saving you from? I was taught that by believing in him, I would be saved from eternal torture in hell. It gave me a lot of cognitive dissonance as a child, despite doing my best to try and believe. Why would an all loving god torture his own creation for eternity just because they didn't believe or thought a different god was the true one? Why does one need religion is they are a good person without it. Why would a loving god care what one believes? Wouldn't a loving god be more concerned with a person's character?

Do you believe in the fire and brimstone, eternal hell where all non Christians will spend eternity? If not, what is Jesus saving you from? Why do you call him your savior? One can certainly be a highly moral person without religion. In fact, almost every atheist I've met in person is a highly moral person, often more so than many Christinas I've known or know. Just curious where you stand on the line when it comes to your beliefs and if you don't believe that Jesus saves you from hell, why are you here trying to convince others that your religion is true?