Dem Post Mortem

[pood]

What "gendered suffix problem" did Latinos want to be solved?

Implicit exclusion of trans and non-binary people from Latino spaces. I take it you never learned how to Google? Am I your Google?

Sorry, but I'm calling bullshit on this. Like it or not, the vast majority of Americans don't give a damn about any trans issues, and it's especially off putting for Latinos, who have a serious conservative streak. It's a losing cause in terms of getting and then maintaining a voter base.

The group is super vocal and sucks up a lot of air on the internet, which gives them an outsized voice. You wanna see attempted cancellation, see their psychotic and unrelenting attacks on JK Rowling. That's the epitome of the movement.

The Dems need to moderate their position on this issue e.g. we believe in equal rights for everyone, but not special rights. No more extra accommodations, no more taxpayer funded surgeries, and no more of this "There's no such thing as a man or a woman" bullshit.

If you wanna alter what you're born with, that's up to you, but not until you've reached the age of consent, and insurance companies should never be required to pay for that. It's a voluntary surgery.

I don’t think anyone is saying “there is no such thing as a man or a woman.” They are saying something perhaps subtly but crucially different, as can be seen from P.Z Myers’ rebuttal to Jerry Coyne.

If people want to get worked up and lathered up about trans’ rights, that’s their problem.

Yeah, sure.

The trans movement is a symbol of just how out of touch the Democrats are, but it's not just that one thing. As my Trump voting cousin told me last night, "Dude, it's all that shit."

Today we learned that Trump is appointing a Fox show host to be SecDef.

So no, it's not just some vague, nondescript random asshole's problem. It EVERYONE'S problem now.

ETA: if you've been to college in the last 10 years, you would've heard the "No such thing as a man or woman" bullshit. That nonsense got out into the public sphere. It came from the far left and was used to great effect in this election. People are fed up with it,

It does not matter what you or I or anyone thinks. It matters what the evidence shows. PZ has the evidence and the explanation. I, personally, don’t care if science alienates a bunch of hillbillies.

 

[TomC]

It does not matter what your or I or anyone thinks.

Really?
I'm not happy about the election results myself. But if it doesn't matter what anyone thinks then away we go!
Tom

 

[pood]

It does not matter what your or I or anyone thinks.

Really?
I'm not happy about the election results myself. But if it doesn't matter what anyone thinks then away we go!
Tom

When it comes to evidence, facts, logic, and reason, it doesn’t matter what anyone believes. As recently as 1969, the medical/psychiatric establishment labeled gay people as mentally ill.

 

[pood]

Excuse me, I stand corrected. The American Psychiatric Association did not remove being gay as a mental disorder until 1973, not 1969.

 

[ZiprHead]

Ooookay. Of course, in this case you are questioning assumptions of your own manufacture and ownership, as you are free to do.
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Question: What leads you to assume that something or someone has led Ziprhead to feel that the ads for a single specific candidate represent the views of all conservatives? Or are you just maybe assuming that for argument's sake?
I mean, just for example, don't bother answering.

Oh FFS, follow the damned posts back. Poli made the assertion, which contained the assumptions that I was questioning. Zipr decided to jump in all on his own and give an answer to the question I asked Poli.

I have assumed nothing other than that Zipr's defense of Poli's assertion implies that Zipr *agrees* with Poli's assertion.

If he wants to jump on your transparent attempt at a time-wasting derail, that's fine by me.

Fuck that shit.

A straw man fallacy is a logical fallacy that occurs when someone misrepresents an opponent's argument by exaggerating, oversimplifying, or creating a distorted version of it. The arguer then attacks this distorted version of the argument, instead of the opponent's actual position.

Fits Emily's posts to a T.

 

[ZiprHead]

The trans movement is a symbol of just how out of touch the Democrats are, but it's not just that one thing. As my Trump voting cousin told me last night, "Dude, it's all that shit."

Sounds to me like you fell for the anti trans advertising the Trump campaign spent a million dollars on.

 

[Elixir]

I, personally, don’t care if science alienates a bunch of hillbillies.

Their alienation can do nothing to invalidate science, but it can certainly threaten scientists.