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I also figure it's more or less in the same camp as smallpox, and not a particular concern in the US.
Emily... ????
Do you not associate our lack of smallpox with the presence and prevalence of use of a smallpox vaccine?
Not an epidemiologist here, but most would probably predict a return of the disease when the practice that locally eradicated it was abandoned.
 
I also figure it's more or less in the same camp as smallpox, and not a particular concern in the US.
Emily... ????
Do you not associate our lack of smallpox with the presence and prevalence of use of a smallpox vaccine?
Not an epidemiologist here, but most would probably predict a return of the disease when the practice that locally eradicated it was abandoned.
Hence my dunce accusation.
 
What do you think you're conveying here? And in what way is it meaningfully different from my rephrasing?
A lot of Trump voters are conservatives, who are descended from other conservatives, and so on and so forth. Who, naturally, would have been loyal Democrats in the 19th century, but jumped ship over segregation in the mid 20th. All of these are well known facts, and have nothing to do with your ridiculous superlatives.

It's okay, I don't think you're racist just because you voted for Trump, if that's what you did, though I certainly object to your vote for other reasons.
 
What do you think other people infer when you say "But that's all the more reason why we cannot allow these people to steer the ship. We know exactly what kind of society they'll build if they are in charge, and it isn't tolerable to any thinking person with a conscience."?
Probably exactly what I said. Rather than what you said. Who besides you said anything about denying anyone their voting franchise? You're lost in the Foxosphere, old friend, and it's making you paranoid. Get back to reality before you find yourself screaming at the checkout lady for hiding all the eggs.
 
I also figure it's more or less in the same camp as smallpox, and not a particular concern in the US.
Emily... ????
Do you not associate our lack of smallpox with the presence and prevalence of use of a smallpox vaccine?
Not an epidemiologist here, but most would probably predict a return of the disease when the practice that locally eradicated it was abandoned.
Isn't measles back to being a thing in the US precisely because certain communities are vaccine adverse?

Also (and I'm very much aware that this argument won't land with Trump voters at all), vaccines don't just protect the person taking it but also the people who are so immuno compromised they can't take the vaccine themselves.
 
I also figure it's more or less in the same camp as smallpox, and not a particular concern in the US.
Emily... ????
Do you not associate our lack of smallpox with the presence and prevalence of use of a smallpox vaccine?
Not an epidemiologist here, but most would probably predict a return of the disease when the practice that locally eradicated it was abandoned.
Isn't measles back to being a thing in the US precisely because certain communities are vaccine adverse?

Also (and I'm very much aware that this argument won't land with Trump voters at all), vaccines don't just protect the person taking it but also the people who are so immuno compromised they can't take the vaccine themselves.
Also Covid wasn't a problem in the U.S. either. Until it was. This shit takes two seconds to think about for people who have braincells.
 
Did you know that homelessness increased by 18% this year according to an article I read this morning?

The 10 million illegals that entered the USA will have contributed.
The ten million wutts?
Those ten million manufactured boogeymen who statistically LOWER the overall US crime rate with their presence?
A made-up stat about homeless "illegals" holds no sway, except in the fevered imaginations of vengeful conservative crusaders.
Don't look now Swiz, but the guy who got you all worked up about this is picking your pocket. He could solve the "homeless problem" in a New York minute, but he cherishes the problem for reasons you exhibit above.
So easy to pick pockets by pointing over there and screaming LOOK OUT! in someone's ear while the other hand is on their wallet.

This shit takes two seconds to think about for people who have braincells.
I used to have brain cells. Recent events have convinced me that they're overrated.
 
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Sooo... what, you're going to revoke the right to vote for half the country because they didn't do what you wanted them to do?
What are you talking about???
What do you think other people infer when you say "But that's all the more reason why we cannot allow these people to steer the ship. We know exactly what kind of society they'll build if they are in charge, and it isn't tolerable to any thinking person with a conscience."?

It rather strongly reads as if you believe that some people (approximately half the voting populace) shouldn't be allowed to express their preferences in the voting booth.

No, not all. It strongly reads as though he thinks rational people should have turned out in bigger numbers to overwhelm the votes of the low-information voters gulled into supporting Trump and his billionaire buddies. It is Trump and his fascist friends who shouldn't be allowed to steer the ship.

Actually suppressing votes is very much a Republican thing. I've never heard of a Democrat promoting such suppression.

Perhaps Politesse's point would be clearer to you if you imagine a literal ship taking on water which literally needs to be steered: Steered ASAP to a nearby harbor before it sinks. Would you be happy if a gang of incompetent, drug-crazed and uncaring teenagers were then "allowed to steer that ship"?
 
if the Polio vaccine gets revoked from approval, or banned, millions of dead or paralyzed kids.
Wait, what now? Why would it get revoked or banned? On the other side... why would that matter in the US?

RFKjr's top lawyer has tried to get the Polio vaccine banned. That's why it's a topic. And if it got banned, well diseases spread. There are still pockets of places on the planet where Polio is still a problem.
Is he trying to get it banned across the entire globe?

I don't know why anyone would be trying to get it banned, at least not the old-school injected vaccine that's been around forever. On the other hand... I guess I also figure it's more or less in the same camp as smallpox, and not a particular concern in the US.
Sorry, Emily, but polio hasn't been wiped out and there were cases in the US as recently as 2022.

https://www.science.org/content/art...s-it-poses-far-bigger-threat-developing-world

Here’s how this year’s closely related polio outbreaks in New York state, London, and greater Jerusalem might have started. A child in Afghanistan or Pakistan received two drops of Albert Sabin’s oral polio vaccine (OPV), which contains a weakened, live virus, in December 2021 or so. Soon after, when the child was still shedding some virus in their stool, their family traveled to the United Kingdom, where the vaccine virus found fertile ground in an undervaccinated Orthodox Jewish community in London and began to circulate person to person. Somewhere along the way, it also began to change, picking up mutations that can turn the vaccine virus into one that, in rare instances, can paralyze.

That virus then jumped to Israel and to an Orthodox Jewish community in Rockland County, northwest of New York City, says Nicholas Grassly, an epidemiologist at Imperial College London and member of the U.K. National Authority for the Containment of Poliovirus. He reconstructed the “plausible” scenario based on the epidemiological timeline and viral sequences detected in sewage. In Rockland County, an unvaccinated young man in the Orthodox community sought care for weakness in his legs in June—the first U.S. polio case in a decade.

The outbreak, which is continuing, underscores the risks facing unvaccinated and undervaccinated people even in wealthy economies. All three countries have ramped up vaccinations, and on 9 September, New York Governor Kathy Hochul declared a state of emergency in an attempt to curb the outbreak.

I was born prior to the development of the polio vaccine and I remember watching the news and seeing people in what is known as iron lungs. I once worked with a nurse who had her leg permanently damaged from polio and I recall how excited we and our parents were when public health nurses came to my school to administer the polio vaccine to us. Small pox is pretty much considered to be wiped out, but polio isn't wiped out and it continues to be a problem in some countries, which is why many of us are very concerned to say the least about some of Trump's appointments. Sadly, too many of his supporters were ignorant about the dangers he proposes and I personally blame Mitch McConnell for this fiasco. If he had worked to get the Senate to remove him from office during the impeachment process, the man would not have been permitted to run for president. I have a feeling that Mitch, who had polio himself as a child, regrets his decision, but I doubt he will admit it.
 
Perhaps Politesse's point would be clearer to you if you imagine a literal ship taking on water which literally needs to be steered: Steered ASAP to a nearby harbor before it sinks. Would you be happy if a gang of incompetent, drug-crazed and uncaring teenagers were then "allowed to steer that ship"?
Dear god, are you suggesting we toss all the teenagers overboard to prevent them from steering the ship?

:ROFLMAO:
 
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