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lpetrich
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Nick Coltrain on Twitter: "After Sen. @BernieSanders stopped laughing at Jeff Bezos reportedly asking Bloomberg if consider running for president, he sarcastically praised the billionaires for their "strong grassroots," while Rep. @AOC acknowledged their class solidarity https://t.co/84VPX15R6i" / Twitter
Sanders, AOC react to Bloomberg's presidential bid - Des Moines Register
When he learned that Jeff Bezos asked Mike Bloomberg to run, BS roared with laughter and AOC jumped in.
Friday night:
Bill Neidhardt on Twitter: "You're looking at the largest rally in Iowa of any candidate.
@BernieSanders and @AOC brought together over 2,400 people in Council Bluffs tonight. https://t.co/PuciQIKbPJ" / Twitter
yellow vest america on Twitter: "IOWA BREAKING: @AOC w/ Bernie “There’s a lot of talk about unity, but I want something better than unity. I want #Solidarity ” https://t.co/qejxZaHJBb" / Twitter
Sanders, AOC react to Bloomberg's presidential bid - Des Moines Register
When he learned that Jeff Bezos asked Mike Bloomberg to run, BS roared with laughter and AOC jumped in.
Then,
Friday night:
Bill Neidhardt on Twitter: "You're looking at the largest rally in Iowa of any candidate.
@BernieSanders and @AOC brought together over 2,400 people in Council Bluffs tonight. https://t.co/PuciQIKbPJ" / Twitter
yellow vest america on Twitter: "IOWA BREAKING: @AOC w/ Bernie “There’s a lot of talk about unity, but I want something better than unity. I want #Solidarity ” https://t.co/qejxZaHJBb" / Twitter
Wait. That would be dumb. None of them are boomers.
Correction, Warren is. But only one of three still makes it sound dumb.
It's called a meme.
Derec
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Given your obsessions, could it be AOC?
Why? Is Cardi B pregnant? That would be one hell of a (reverse) political scandal that is the only thing that could propel Bernie to the White House.
This alone should disqualify Bernie for presidency. This is basically a call for open borders! A big misstep for Bernie. I fear not even the positive press about him being virile enough to impregnate Cardi B. could help him any more.
Solidarity, siblings!
It’s how I get to know people & communities!Not surprised she knocks, since [URL="https://www.msn.com/en-au/lifestyle/smart-living/have-millennials-killed-the-doorbell-people-admit-theyre-too-scared-to-answer-the-aggressive-ring-and-dont-open-the-door-to-visitors-unless-they-text/ar-AACrVeh"]millennials are notoriously afraid of door bells.
Derec
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And Tulsi is more of an Xennial anyway, not a proper Millennial (like AOC).
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angelo
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Bloomberg served as the 108th Mayor of New York City, holding office for three consecutive terms, beginning his first in 2001. Is the reason why it could work for him.
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Memes are dumb and unfunny when the joke they try to make is applied to the wrong visual.
lpetrich
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Nowhere to be found in Mark Twain - Wikiquote
In any case, that's just plain nonsense. If a very unequal distribution of wealth emerges, it will be different people and organizations that come out on top. Will Paris Hilton end up with all her wealth again? The Kennedy family? That's because wealth concentration depends on accidents of history, and not just inheritance. Bill Gates won't get his wealth back, because it's dependent on the first few decades of desktop computers, and that's some history that will never repeat. There's also the factor of late in life vs. early in life.
Furthermore, if one has a lot of money, one doesn't have to be supersmart to keep from going broke. All one needs to do is be careful not to spend it too fast. Noble and aristocratic families have been able to continue for centuries.
PyramidHead
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Boomer is a mindset.
lpetrich
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Joy Reid on Twitter: "Not an endorsement, but I can't stop watching this. Hang on let me try to stop watching it... ... Nope! Cannot. If you're gonna run, enjoy every moment." / Twitter
noting
FLORIDAGIRLforKAMALA on Twitter: "I'm just gonna keep sharing this be cause this is historic & this is special. This is a joyous black woman. This is a proud HBCU graduate. These are young black girls shining & when you see #KamalaHarris you see them.
https://t.co/Gmc86IANG9" / Twitter
TLDuryea on Twitter: "@JoyAnnReid Different angle from when she left the Rally, in case you want to watch something different
https://t.co/zsUSuBBbNr" / Twitter
AOC appears to accuse Bloomberg of trying to 'purchase our political system' | Fox News
Bernie Sanders blasts Michael Bloomberg at Iowa rally: 'You ain't gonna buy this election' | Fox News
Bernie Sanders laughs at idea Bezos urged Bloomberg to run: ‘That’s real class solidarity’ | Fox News
noting
FLORIDAGIRLforKAMALA on Twitter: "I'm just gonna keep sharing this be cause this is historic & this is special. This is a joyous black woman. This is a proud HBCU graduate. These are young black girls shining & when you see #KamalaHarris you see them.
https://t.co/Gmc86IANG9" / TwitterTLDuryea on Twitter: "@JoyAnnReid Different angle from when she left the Rally, in case you want to watch something different
https://t.co/zsUSuBBbNr" / TwitterAOC appears to accuse Bloomberg of trying to 'purchase our political system' | Fox News
A very populist sentiment.
Bernie Sanders blasts Michael Bloomberg at Iowa rally: 'You ain't gonna buy this election' | Fox News
Bernie Sanders laughs at idea Bezos urged Bloomberg to run: ‘That’s real class solidarity’ | Fox News
southernhybrid
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Pray tell. What is the mindset? Those of us who were radical leftists when we were young boomers also had a stupid expression that we often used, "Never trust anyone over 30." And, those of us who were radical leftists during our youths, mostly came down to earth and realized that we can't always have everything we want. We need to take what others want into consideration. Boomers were always an extremely diverse generation when it came to politics etc. and we still are that way. We're just older and wiser now and understand the art of compromise is what is most important if you want to make progress. We also worry because the country has moved much further to the right than it was when we watched our liberal hero lose in a landslide in 1972. I would hate to see that happen again.
I never thought I'd see the day when my country moved as far to the right as it is these days. And, many of the alt right are far younger than boomers. Many of them are younger than 30. Maybe now we boomers should have a motto, "never trust anyone under thirty".
So, younger people can use their silly OK boomer meme all they want. It makes me laugh. In fact, I've been using it on my husband all week, whenever he says something that I don't like. And, while I generally don't make fun of any generation, I did get a laugh out of a comment that Bill Maher made on his last show. "Millennials think that boomers destroyed the world and they can save it by looking at their phones." So, other than posting online, and telling the rest of us how wrong we are, what has the younger generation actually done to make the world a better place? We marched every weekend. We never stopped. I don't see that type of activism coming form the younger generations. It takes work to make change. Complaining about the older generations doesn't do a thing, but cause division. And, generations don't realize what harm they may be doing as they grow older. Hindsight is always 2020.
Can you come to terms with the fact that each generation is influenced by the things that happen during their early lifetimes? My generation grew up during the constant threat of nuclear war, the constant fear that you or your friends would be sent to a horrible war that killed about 58,000 of your peers, the civil rights movement etc. My parents' generation was influenced by the Great Depression, and WWII. Many of us had fathers who were often badly damaged from fighting in that war. We were told by our frugal parents that we deserved better than them, and some of us took that too literally. We were also told that we may never reach adulthood and would all be wiped out by nuclear war. Do you think the person who first developed a nuclear weapon had any idea what problems it would cause? Do you think the people who promoted the use of plastics had a clue as to how much damage their product would cause? Anyway, hopefully you get the picture. We are all products of the environments that influenced us as well as the genetics that made us who we are. It's insane to judge or criticize any generation of people as all generations are made up of individuals who follow different drumbeats.
But, when it comes to wisdom, you have to have gathered many years of experience before it takes hold. And, some people never learn from their experiences, and never come to terms with the fact that you can't always get what you want. Trump and Bernie are two examples of that mindset. One promised his supporters to build a wall that would be paid for by Mexico, and create a great health care plan. The other one promises free healthcare for all, paid for the government etc.. Ain't gonna happen and might give us another Trump term. I'm not against it in principle, but there are other ways of achieving UHC that are more realistic, and might even have a chance of happening.
PyramidHead
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You have not understood a single thing I have said about movement politics. Bernie is just the tip of the spear.
Striking and protesting are not unconstitutional, so that's a non sequitur. Nice to see more thinly veiled contempt for people who die because of money.
NO. I do not use the weasel phrase "aCcEsS To hEaLtH CaRe," which is and always has been a Trojan horse to keep insurance companies in the game, keep means-testing as an option, keep a fully single-payer system off the table. I support UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE FOR EVERYONE, FUNDED PUBLICLY AND ACCOUNTABLE TO THE PUBLIC, including mental health, vision, and dental, and I support the only candidate who agrees with me. He doesn't agree with you.
This is getting tiresome. The vast, vast majority of Sanders supporters voted for Clinton, Rhea. About as much as any primary opponent votes for the eventual nominee in any election. What part of her platform did Obama fail to adopt? It doesn't matter, because Obama was not a collection of policy ideas. Neither is Sanders.
Then why are you siding with someone whose supporters did exactly that, in larger numbers compared to the ones you keep railing against? I know you own up to this later on, so please keep reading.
I voted for Clinton, so the next chunk of your ire is misplaced. However, it does demonstrate a blind spot in your politics that is shared by most Americans. Here it is. Donald Trump is not the center of the universe, and his effect on middle class American life is minuscule compared to the effect of nearly every President in history on American poverty and foreign policy. The struggling lower classes in America have no obligation to vote for anyone who they do not see as materially beneficial for their situation, and by my lights, nobody has made it to the general election with a shot of doing so since Obama. Before that, nobody since maybe Carter. Unlike you, I do not assume that everyone's political priorities are aligned around the "how dare you, sir" that fueled Clinton's run and seems to be the angle of attack adopted by liberals since then. Donald Trump is not special, not particular, not uncommonly bad, and ultimately not different from Joe Biden for half the country who does not vote for this reason.
You can substitute Pete's name in there if you want, and as time goes on, Warren is falling into the same category: technocratic reforms that rearrange the details of American imperialism abroad and boost the right metrics at home to congratulate ourselves and stop fighting. Millions of people in America, and in the lands indiscriminately shelled by smiling drones and starved by economic sanctions, do not care that Trump misspelled "hamburger" in a tweet, that he benefited from Russian interference, or that he treats women as objects. They have seen this back-and-forth culture clash between civility and brutishness since Bush and Reagan before him, and no matter who wins out in the end, they know (a) it's temporary and (b) nothing will fundamentally change for them either way. Americans in this category have every right to withhold their vote in every election until someone who acknowledges their existence enters the fray.
Glad to see you're finally being consistent, but I fixed a minor error. Recall, again, why it mattered in 2016 and not in 2008, and recall that for all of Palin's faults, she wasn't as weak a contender as Trump, and she was second on the ticket to a well-liked Republican statesman. It wasn't "luckily...", it was the success of popular involvement in politics by demographics that don't usually care enough to do so, and which currently are lining up behind Bernie Sanders in record numbers.
You couldn't make heads or tails of my mentioning Kerry and Gore, both of whom courted the moderate liberal vote and lost to a Republican with many of Trump's worst qualities. Centrist Democrats are not that picky, and you regard that as a sign of practicality and strategic acumen because you, and they, have the luxury of thinking of elections in those terms. The other half of the country, many of whom don't vote because nobody has come close to deserving their vote in over a decade, aren't the prima donnas you paint them to be; they are uneducated, overworked, young, minority groups that see no path forward in the system they have inherited, and are apathetic about the things you claim should be their most pressing concerns. They aren't a monolithic bloc, and they don't deserve the scorn you and every frustrated liberal heaps on them.
PyramidHead
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Pray tell. What is the mindset? Those of us who were radical leftists when we were young boomers also had a stupid expression that we often used, "Never trust anyone over 30." And, those of us who were radical leftists during our youths, mostly came down to earth and realized that we can't always have everything we want. We need to take what others want into consideration. Boomers were always an extremely diverse generation when it came to politics etc. and we still are that way. We're just older and wiser now and understand the art of compromise is what is most important if you want to make progress. We also worry because the country has moved much further to the right than it was when we watched our liberal hero lose in a landslide in 1972. I would hate to see that happen again.
I never thought I'd see the day when my country moved as far to the right as it is these days. And, many of the alt right are far younger than boomers. Many of them are younger than 30. Maybe now we boomers should have a motto, "never trust anyone under thirty".
So, younger people can use their silly OK boomer meme all they want. It makes me laugh. In fact, I've been using it on my husband all week, whenever he says something that I don't like. And, while I generally don't make fun of any generation, I did get a laugh out of a comment that Bill Maher made on his last show. "Millennials think that boomers destroyed the world and they can save it by looking at their phones." So, other than posting online, and telling the rest of us how wrong we are, what has the younger generation actually done to make the world a better place? We marched every weekend. We never stopped. I don't see that type of activism coming form the younger generations. It takes work to make change. Complaining about the older generations doesn't do a thing, but cause division. And, generations don't realize what harm they may be doing as they grow older. Hindsight is always 2020.
Can you come to terms with the fact that each generation is influenced by the things that happen during their early lifetimes? My generation grew up during the constant threat of nuclear war, the constant fear that you or your friends would be sent to a horrible war that killed about 58,000 of your peers, the civil rights movement etc. My parents' generation was influenced by the Great Depression, and WWII. Many of us had fathers who were often badly damaged from fighting in that war. We were told by our frugal parents that we deserved better than them, and some of us took that too literally. We were also told that we may never reach adulthood and would all be wiped out by nuclear war. Do you think the person who first developed a nuclear weapon had any idea what problems it would cause? Do you think the people who promoted the use of plastics had a clue as to how much damage their product would cause? Anyway, hopefully you get the picture. We are all products of the environments that influenced us as well as the genetics that made us who we are. It's insane to judge or criticize any generation of people as all generations are made up of individuals who follow different drumbeats.
But, when it comes to wisdom, you have to have gathered many years of experience before it takes hold. And, some people never learn from their experiences, and never come to terms with the fact that you can't always get what you want. Trump and Bernie are two examples of that mindset. One promised his supporters to build a wall that would be paid for by Mexico, and create a great health care plan. The other one promises free healthcare for all, paid for the government etc.. Ain't gonna happen and might give us another Trump term. I'm not against it in principle, but there are other ways of achieving UHC that are more realistic, and might even have a chance of happening.
lpetrich
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Inside the 2020 campaign with the potential First Gentlemen - POLITICO - nice article on the husbands of some of the candidates: husbands of the four women and one gay man. For the most part, they keep a rather low profile, must like what many politicians' wives do.
Annie Grayer on Twitter: "THREAD on @AOC door knocking for @BernieSanders in Des Moines, Iowa:" / Twitter
Annie Grayer on Twitter: "First, @AOC spoke to volunteers ahead of canvassing. “We’re in this living my room today because we know that, because this is more than just a presidential campaign. And this is more than just the caucuses. This is about what is going to happen in our lifetimes.” https://t.co/yPs1pcva5W" / Twitter
Rather melodramatic.
Annie Grayer on Twitter: "Then, @AOC started her route. https://t.co/MIPVt4WtX5" / Twitter
Annie Grayer on Twitter: "The first woman @AOC spoke to was a woman who by the end of their conversation committed to caucus for @BernieSanders. “None of the candidates would be here without Bernie,” the woman told @AOC on why she supports Sanders. https://t.co/Ud0vnmNSi8" / Twitter
Annie Grayer on Twitter: "At the next house, @AOC talked to a man who said he supported @BernieSanders because he wants to cancel student debt. “I was lucky to pay mine off” the man said. “There’s a lot of people that need some help and Bernie wants to help them and that’s why I’ve keys been a big fan.” * https://t.co/9U4VbjLnIX" / Twitter
It's good to see someone who paid off his debts who nevertheless wants to see others assisted in doing so. I recall AOC once stating that some people seem to have a "hazing mentality" about that issue, that others must suffer what they had suffered.
Annie Grayer on Twitter: "*the man told @AOC that his wife was at the bank and would be sad to have missed meeting her." / Twitter
Annie Grayer on Twitter: "The next house @AOC went to, no one answered. https://t.co/7SjI6C1AHP" / Twitter
Annie Grayer on Twitter: "While walking to the next house, @AOC was stopped by a former Dem. party chair. He said he supported [MENTION=2]Jo[/MENTION]eBiden but @BernieSanders was his second choice. He thinks M4A will “hurt us in the general.” @AOC: “If I can get at least a number 2 that’s what I’m doing here.” https://t.co/P2V2rPE1mB" / Twitter
Annie Grayer on Twitter: "*remember the house @AOC went to where she spoke to a man about student debt, but his wife was at the bank? The man brought his wife to find @AOC in the street. The woman shared how getting surgery at 21 put her in so much debt that she was forced to “give up on [her] dreams.” https://t.co/HwR3FFPFYh" / Twitter
Annie Grayer on Twitter: "THREAD on @AOC door knocking for @BernieSanders in Des Moines, Iowa:" / Twitter
Annie Grayer on Twitter: "First, @AOC spoke to volunteers ahead of canvassing. “We’re in this living my room today because we know that, because this is more than just a presidential campaign. And this is more than just the caucuses. This is about what is going to happen in our lifetimes.” https://t.co/yPs1pcva5W" / Twitter
Rather melodramatic.
Annie Grayer on Twitter: "Then, @AOC started her route. https://t.co/MIPVt4WtX5" / Twitter
Annie Grayer on Twitter: "The first woman @AOC spoke to was a woman who by the end of their conversation committed to caucus for @BernieSanders. “None of the candidates would be here without Bernie,” the woman told @AOC on why she supports Sanders. https://t.co/Ud0vnmNSi8" / Twitter
Annie Grayer on Twitter: "At the next house, @AOC talked to a man who said he supported @BernieSanders because he wants to cancel student debt. “I was lucky to pay mine off” the man said. “There’s a lot of people that need some help and Bernie wants to help them and that’s why I’ve keys been a big fan.” * https://t.co/9U4VbjLnIX" / Twitter
It's good to see someone who paid off his debts who nevertheless wants to see others assisted in doing so. I recall AOC once stating that some people seem to have a "hazing mentality" about that issue, that others must suffer what they had suffered.
Annie Grayer on Twitter: "*the man told @AOC that his wife was at the bank and would be sad to have missed meeting her." / Twitter
Annie Grayer on Twitter: "The next house @AOC went to, no one answered. https://t.co/7SjI6C1AHP" / Twitter
Annie Grayer on Twitter: "While walking to the next house, @AOC was stopped by a former Dem. party chair. He said he supported [MENTION=2]Jo[/MENTION]eBiden but @BernieSanders was his second choice. He thinks M4A will “hurt us in the general.” @AOC: “If I can get at least a number 2 that’s what I’m doing here.” https://t.co/P2V2rPE1mB" / Twitter
Annie Grayer on Twitter: "*remember the house @AOC went to where she spoke to a man about student debt, but his wife was at the bank? The man brought his wife to find @AOC in the street. The woman shared how getting surgery at 21 put her in so much debt that she was forced to “give up on [her] dreams.” https://t.co/HwR3FFPFYh" / Twitter
Then it is foolish to call of people of an age “boomer,” isn’t it.
In this context though, you know what it is? A Russian Troll’s or a GOP Operative’s wet dream in watching one progressive try to tear another one down.
Shakin’ myy head at you being their useful idiot. You have people ON YOUR SIDE, and you can’t keep yourself from trying to drive them away.
Talk about “stalling momentum,”
What a waste, and the RNC laughs and laughs.
Absolutely. Oh, and, “We’ll never see our social security,” and “with mortgage rates at 17% and credit cards at 30%, we will NEVER see the single digit interest rates that our parents did!” And “none of us will live to be 30 anyway, we will die from nuclear war,” and...
We get it, we get it, you don’t realize it, but we get it.
And we are ON THE PROGRESSIVE SIDE in fighting others of our generation to stop their misuse of the planet and their callous disregard for humanity.
We still want it - yes, oh for sure we do. But we realized our youthful “movement” was not able to accomplish it alone.
Yes, find out what their fears were, show them how it can work. Make them into believers, too.
Indeed. If someone is going to dismiss all boomers with derision, they are going to dismiss a lot of allies. Maybe that was our biggest mistake in the 70s and 80s? Failing to capitalize on the support of our allies, because we were too derisive about them.
We want progress. Significant, rapid progress. And we have been willing to put a lot of blood and sweat into it, and we still are.
Sweet merciful crap, Pyramid, you think I don’t understand movement politics?
It’s not a non-sequitur, you just missed the point. The point is that in the senate, and in congressional apportionment due to the static number of 435, rural conservative voters still have an unfair advantage. It takes changing the constitution to change that. I am for that, in the long run, but it will be it’s own long effort and will not save lives today. So however much I might want it, and be willing to give it energy, that’s not the tool that will help people suffering today.
It is not a word used to weasel. It is a word used to describe, as you have clearly stated you understand, the people who need it most don’t care how they get their health care, as long as they get it. So if I have to wean the nation off the corporate teat with a “public option” and that allows me to get them access, then I am ALL FOR getting them access today. And we will continue the effort to replace it in parallel. My goals are:
1. Access to health care for all TODAY, even if it means a deficit - it is worth it.
2. Ultimately public health care supported by a system that values it and keeps it robust (which I do not believe is private or corporate)
You can go all internet snark if you need to, but you miss my point of saying that I want it TODAY, not 4 years from now. That’s why I say “access”.
Nope.
It is getting a foot in the door. I have spent years negotiating with a union to try to get the workers something that delivers. And strangely, they use the same fear argument you do to keep the members paying an exorbitant fee to the Union’s insurance coffers. To get them to even LISTEN, we had to get a foot in the door to show them how it would work.
Me, too. As soon as possible. And until it is accomplished, access some other way. Because poor people can’t wait for the whole enchilada.
I don’t care who you support. Go ahead. You think he can do it tomorrow, or on January 22. I think he’s demonstrated that he can’t. Vote for him in the primary. And then vote for whoever wins, and if they are going to try what they won on because they feel it demonstrates what the voters will handle, then stop calling them evil for that.
And enough didn’t and continued to use the rhetoric you are using to justify their action. My goal is to stop that rhetoric so we don’t make those people think that cutting off their noses to spite their faces is a reasonable position.
To be fair, Sanders is one policy idea.
I don’t have anything against Sanders’ policies. The problem I saw with his rhetoric was his efforts to divide the progressives. If he was a grat a movement as you say, then WHY did his followers behave exactly like Clinton’s followers?
You keep claiming he’s a movement, and communes with his people - but his rhetoric in the campaign undercut his own later, tepid, message for his supporters to back Clinton in order to stop Trump. He didn’t handle his “movement” and better than Clinton did.
Which gets us back to - they are all humans, and to call one an evil corporate shill and the other some near-deified movement just doesn’t match what they did.
“Siding with”?
I’m correcting your unsupported claims that she’s an evil shill.
I “sided with” Sanders at first. But overall, any vote that stops the GOP.
Bullshit. That is demonstrably false. Tell that to the dreamers, the people kicked off welfare, the people who lost their homes, women who need abortions. Anyone who faces one of his “judges” in court. I do not callously disregard their outcomes.
And any one of them is better than another four years of Trump in the judiciary, the agencies and the veto pen.
You call them equal and nvite people to not stop the GOP.
That is where you and I depart. The GOP is indeed worse for poor people and marginalized people. By real and quantifiable amounts. I will not stop fighting for my ultimate progressive goals, but I will never sacrifice people by taking a privileged step back that doesn’t hurt me but kills them.
Yeah yeah, both sides are just as bad. Remember “don’t trust anyone over 30”?
Both sides are NOT just as bad. One side kills and kills hard.
My town just got taken over by the GOP this month in elections. They have already stated their intent. First to go: The kids summer park program where needy kids get to play in the park and get a good lunch. I’ll let them know Bernie Sanders is on the way - maybe in his second 29 years of governing.
Why do you keep thinking it is an acceptable argument to say, “these assholes weren’t any bigger assholes than Clinton’s assholes therefore Bernie is much better!”
Remember when those big lines carried him to victory in the primary?
Oh, wait...
Again, I don’t care if he wins, I’ll vote for him. What I am arguing against is this idea you are toting that “both sides are equally evil, except one cult hero.” No, you need a coalition, you need the party members. If you keep insulting them, they will be idiots and stay home. Why THE FUCK are you doing that?
While the progressive left screeched “PURITY!” And placed their pure votes for Nader?
This is that kid screaming for candy situation again. You’re saying they SHOULD have courted the screaming left, because the moderates are smart enough to vote to stop Bush, and the screaming left is NOT smart enough to vote to stop Bush, and so, give the screaming kid the candy or we’ll wreck your democracy?”
Nader said, at the time, “Yes it will be a disaster for a lot of people if I end up getting Bush elected, but we need that disaster to wake people up.” How did that work out?
And you instead feed them with more apathy. “Both sides are just as bad,”. “They are all in the bag for corporations,” “there’s no good answer”.
I’m saying you are doing damage to the things we both care about.
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We live in the land where 'no good answers', 'It's impossible' leads to incremental improvements in existing solutions. We jump the gun and deliver tractors that lasts just a couple years. They need fixing without money to accomplish the fixes. So we develop tinkers, farmers kids who become engineers, who fix the tractors go to college invent raster TV etc.
Discussing what we care about is enough. Making you mad is enough. You might prove him wrong, fix it, give him a raspberry and inspire another to do it even better.
I don't worry that old fogies are conservative and vote reliably. Every now and then their decisions for governance spark a new progressive movement that catches on and more people are included in the conversation leading to significant improvement in social culture. A Metoo overshoot results in some breakage in the glass ceiling. Whoop, whoop.
It's half full. Damnit!!!
Discussing what we care about is enough. Making you mad is enough. You might prove him wrong, fix it, give him a raspberry and inspire another to do it even better.
I don't worry that old fogies are conservative and vote reliably. Every now and then their decisions for governance spark a new progressive movement that catches on and more people are included in the conversation leading to significant improvement in social culture. A Metoo overshoot results in some breakage in the glass ceiling. Whoop, whoop.
It's half full. Damnit!!!